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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:36:28 PM

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Theres a lot of people who are JUST like him that are angry with guns and would shoot your face off for trying to take their guns away.
We have seen them plenty of times in this forum.

I know what you mean by "a lot of people who are JUST like him" and I can agree but who on this forum has asserted anything like that?
Did I miss something ?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:36:54 PM

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So put you down in the same column ?

It was so much easier when the bigots just donned their bedsheets and piled inot the pick-up

Identifying them I mean,I don't think it was easy nor do I seek to make light of what it meant when that pick-up truck was barreling down the road towards you.

How can either of us be considered bigots when we both acknowledge that not a Muslims are the same, and we divide by their actions. Some, want to kill everyone, Christians, Jews, agnostics and even other Muslims who do not agree with them while most just want to be left alone and worship within their beliefs, sorry but that is not bigotry.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:38:29 PM

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Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.

That really doesn't make any sense, FD. Again, it boils down to your view that Islam is some kind of monolithic group, bound together by (a certain reading of) the Koran. That just isn't tenable.

Obvious points: first, why would most Muslims support these bombers and what evidence do you have for that; second, why would Islam be in any kind of position to 'out' the bombers - any more than I would once have been in a position to out the (Christian) IRA or UVF bombers who caused bloodshed for decades?

I agree, they are not a monolithic group because the Sunni hate the Shia and both hate the Sufi's.
The commone link is their faith - Islam and the Qoran.

The evidence I have are the people I actually speak to on a daily basis.
All the muslims, without exception, firmly believe that Islam comes first, everything else is second.
They also believe in (illegal) Sharia law and Sharia courts to deal with Ismalic problems.
They still believe in, and support, honour killings regardless of what our laws state.
The males firmly believe that their womenfolk should attend them like slaves and are no better than a slave.
Two of my local shops run by muslims (one Pakistani, one Turkish), the male child of less than 10 years old order their mothers about and I have seen that at the local Booker's wholesalers where I shop.

The fact that a lot of muslims go to their mosques and obey their local cleric.
It has also been found afterwards that a lot of these clerics are fully aware of the individuals and their leanings before the act, yet they did nothing to stop that individual doing it.
In many ways, it is very unlike the IRA or UVF who did things in secret.

FFS.......... are you forgetful about just how many killings during the trobles were carried out in public places, and on ordinary members of the public...... carried out in secret my arse.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:43:16 PM

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So put you down in the same column ?

It was so much easier when the bigots just donned their bedsheets and piled inot the pick-up

Identifying them I mean,I don't think it was easy nor do I seek to make light of what it meant when that pick-up truck was barreling down the road towards you.

How can either of us be considered bigots when we both acknowledge that not a Muslims are the same, and we divide by their actions. Some, want to kill everyone, Christians, Jews, agnostics and even other Muslims who do not agree with them while most just want to be left alone and worship within their beliefs, sorry but that is not bigotry.

And do not forget we have both condemned the killing in Chapel Hill. Again, not the act of a bigot, bigots would find some excuse to justify these shootings.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:53:02 PM

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So put you down in the same column ?

It was so much easier when the bigots just donned their bedsheets and piled inot the pick-up

Identifying them I mean,I don't think it was easy nor do I seek to make light of what it meant when that pick-up truck was barreling down the road towards you.

How can either of us be considered bigots when we both acknowledge that not a Muslims are the same, and we divide by their actions. Some, want to kill everyone, Christians, Jews, agnostics and even other Muslims who do not agree with them while most just want to be left alone and worship within their beliefs, sorry but that is not bigotry.

And do not forget we have both condemned the killing in Chapel Hill. Again, not the act of a bigot, bigots would find some excuse to justify these shootings.

Do you mean an excuse like "it was just over parking spots" ?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:55:28 PM

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Lucylastic

Theres a lot of people who are JUST like him that are angry with guns and would shoot your face off for trying to take their guns away.
We have seen them plenty of times in this forum.

who on this forum has asserted anything like that?
Did I miss something ?

Well, I missed how that connects with murdering three people over a "parking problem".

K.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:57:48 PM

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Bama lets follow the crumbs shall we....

FW self identified as a bigot
You came along and said,and I paraphrase "well so am I than "
I didn't argue with either of you.....so who called who a bigot ?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 4:59:40 PM

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Lucylastic

Theres a lot of people who are JUST like him that are angry with guns and would shoot your face off for trying to take their guns away.
We have seen them plenty of times in this forum.

who on this forum has asserted anything like that?
Did I miss something ?

Well, I missed how that connects with murdering three people over a "parking problem".

K.

Yeah,you might have "missed"one of your own posts,wherein you suggested a certain"cure" for a certain someone

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:01:56 PM

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Lucylastic

Theres a lot of people who are JUST like him that are angry with guns and would shoot your face off for trying to take their guns away.
We have seen them plenty of times in this forum.

who on this forum has asserted anything like that?
Did I miss something ?

Well, I missed how that connects with murdering three people over a "parking problem".

K.

Yeah,let me help you out ,again, kirata.It's the anger and the guns that connects the dots.

edited to add a coma and a period,lest I get attacked...or someone gets confused and needs a clarification

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:05:51 PM

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Yeah,you might have "missed"one of your own posts,wherein you suggested a certain"cure" for a certain someone

You're welcome to link it and refresh me, but let's not make this a long dance act.

K.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:08:39 PM

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I think it went to that place where all "good" posts go,after they have outlived their shelf life so to say

But c'mon,you're not that old,surely you remember

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:10:37 PM

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Lucylastic

Theres a lot of people who are JUST like him that are angry with guns and would shoot your face off for trying to take their guns away.
We have seen them plenty of times in this forum.

who on this forum has asserted anything like that?
Did I miss something ?

Well, I missed how that connects with murdering three people over a "parking problem".

K.

Context....Try it
oh hell ....impossible

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:10:58 PM

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Freedomdwarf,

It's difficult for me to work out how to begin to unpack all that and it's all been said before, anyway.

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I agree, they are not a monolithic group because the Sunni hate the Shia and both hate the Sufi's.
The commone link is their faith - Islam and the Qoran.

You zero in that 'common link' and talk about it as self-evidently the *causal* common link.

Time and again, though, other common links have been highlighted: the facts that we're talking about young men, those that are attracted by violence (not unusual in young men), those who want to be part of a 'gang' and fight for a 'cause' (ditto), despite the fact that they don't have much understanding of that cause (ditto again - the average hopeful IS member from a western country isn't at all highly knowledgable about Islam). So why focus on Islam as the common *and causal* link - the link that causes this violence?

"The evidence I have are the people I actually speak to on a daily basis.
All the muslims, without exception, firmly believe that Islam comes first, everything else is second.
They also believe in (illegal) Sharia law and Sharia courts to deal with Ismalic problems.
They still believe in, and support, honour killings regardless of what our laws state.
The males firmly believe that their womenfolk should attend them like slaves and are no better than a slave.
Two of my local shops run by muslims (one Pakistani, one Turkish), the male child of less than 10 years old order their mothers about and I have seen that at the local Booker's wholesalers where I shop."

Too anecdotal to be worth much, I'm afraid. Me, my experience of the Muslims I've come across is not that 'Islam comes first'. It's that the peaceful, comfortable, most of all violence-free lives that they currently enjoy, come first. And I've never seen Muslim boys bossing around their mothers.

That sort of evidence is too weak, FD. You can't expect it to hold sway even here. Surely you can come up with facts and figures?

And re that last ....

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It has also been found afterwards that a lot of these clerics are fully aware of the individuals and their leanings before the act, yet they did nothing to stop that individual doing it.

... Could you provide evidence for this?

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In many ways, it is very unlike the IRA or UVF who did things in secret.

Not true - as PoliteSub has pointed out. To be sure, lots of the actions of the IRA and UVF would have been *planned* in secret, for the excellent reason that the more people who knew, the more chance there would have been that they'd get grassed up. Only a seriously stupid would-be terrorist would reveal his/her plans of a terrorist act on anything other than a 'need-to-know' basis.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:12:56 PM

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Bama lets follow the crumbs shall we....

FW self identified as a bigot
You came along and said,and I paraphrase "well so am I than "
I didn't argue with either of you.....so who called who a bigot ?

Paraphrase, distort is more like it, since I said nothing about my being a bigot, I said that what makes him a bigot is that he sees things some people want to see. There is nothing bigoted about what he said, and certainly nothing in what I said. What makes us bigots? Do you deny that there is a faction of Islam dedicated to the destruction of anyone who doesn't think exactly the same way they do? Do you think that somehow the Chapel Hill shooting was justified? Do you think that all Muslims are terrorists? There was nothing I said that even smacks of bigotry.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:13:58 PM

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Yeah,you might have "missed"one of your own posts,wherein you suggested a certain"cure" for a certain someone

You're welcome to link it and refresh me, but let's not make this a long dance act.

K.

Kirata,I fucked up the quote button that was directed at lovemuffin...not you.
Sorry

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:18:28 PM

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I'm not even touching that FW...way too much bigotry and assumptions going on there.
You apparently have powers that were not granted to me to see into the hearts and minds of other men and woman......who are you the "shadow"

A bigot I may be.

But only yesterday I commented on how muslims work and that they will suddenly rise up.
I wake up this morning to find just that - a muslim terrorist does a copycat on the French killings.
All over what??? Someone has dared to put up a cartoon of their prophet and only in Islam is that punishable by death.

A bigot I may be but I am seeing my ramblings all coming to pass one way or another.
Mali. The extra territory acquired by Boku Haram after more kidnappings. The rise of ISIS.
Australia, France, and now Denmark.
All 'lone wolves'?? I don't think it is coincidental.
Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.

I don't condone the guys actions at Chapel Hill but I can see where his hatred may stem from.
It only takes one.... but a lot of the 'ones' are Islamic or someone getting back at Islamics.
Until Islam moves into the 21st century, like gun deaths in the US, it'll go on ad-infinitum.

This is the FW post that you seconded...see the part where he says "A bigot I may be....."
That was the first use of the label bigot.
I never ever accused either of you,in this thread ,of being bigots....till you all brought it out.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:20:00 PM

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I'm not even touching that FW...way too much bigotry and assumptions going on there.
You apparently have powers that were not granted to me to see into the hearts and minds of other men and woman......who are you the "shadow"

A bigot I may be.

But only yesterday I commented on how muslims work and that they will suddenly rise up.
I wake up this morning to find just that - a muslim terrorist does a copycat on the French killings.
All over what??? Someone has dared to put up a cartoon of their prophet and only in Islam is that punishable by death.

A bigot I may be but I am seeing my ramblings all coming to pass one way or another.
Mali. The extra territory acquired by Boku Haram after more kidnappings. The rise of ISIS.
Australia, France, and now Denmark.
All 'lone wolves'?? I don't think it is coincidental.
Islam is pushing these people and Islam won't out them because most actually support them.

I don't condone the guys actions at Chapel Hill but I can see where his hatred may stem from.
It only takes one.... but a lot of the 'ones' are Islamic or someone getting back at Islamics.
Until Islam moves into the 21st century, like gun deaths in the US, it'll go on ad-infinitum.

This is the FW post that you seconded...see the part where he says "A bigot I may be....."
That was the first use of the label bigot.
I never ever accused either of you,in this thread ,of being bigots....till you all brought it out.

And yet you failed to see that I was refuting the claim of bigotry.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:20:46 PM

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Lucylastic

Theres a lot of people who are JUST like him that are angry with guns and would shoot your face off for trying to take their guns away.
We have seen them plenty of times in this forum.

who on this forum has asserted anything like that?
Did I miss something ?

Well, I missed how that connects with murdering three people over a "parking problem".

Yeah,let me help you out ,again, kirata.It's the anger and the guns that connects the dots.

Are you following the recommended maintenance procedures for your brain cell? That gun confiscation ("taking their guns away") would anger many Americans, and provoke armed resistance, has nothing to do with this triple homicide in North Carolina.

K.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:21:31 PM

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Bama lets follow the crumbs shall we....

FW self identified as a bigot
You came along and said,and I paraphrase "well so am I than "
I didn't argue with either of you.....so who called who a bigot ?

Paraphrase, distort is more like it, since I said nothing about my being a bigot, I said that what makes him a bigot is that he sees things some people want to see. There is nothing bigoted about what he said, and certainly nothing in what I said. What makes us bigots? Do you deny that there is a faction of Islam dedicated to the destruction of anyone who doesn't think exactly the same way they do? Do you think that somehow the Chapel Hill shooting was justified? Do you think that all Muslims are terrorists? There was nothing I said that even smacks of bigotry.

See last post....I never made the claim,I discussed a claim already made.
For shit sure it aint my job to disabuse anyone who thinks they might be thinking a little bit bigoted.
Hell we should all do a self inventory once on awhile.
If you and your bud FW do such an inventory and come up clean.....well there you go.
But don't blame me for a conversation I didn't initiate.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/15/2015 5:28:36 PM

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Bama lets follow the crumbs shall we....

FW self identified as a bigot
You came along and said,and I paraphrase "well so am I than "
I didn't argue with either of you.....so who called who a bigot ?

Paraphrase, distort is more like it, since I said nothing about my being a bigot, I said that what makes him a bigot is that he sees things some people want to see. There is nothing bigoted about what he said, and certainly nothing in what I said. What makes us bigots? Do you deny that there is a faction of Islam dedicated to the destruction of anyone who doesn't think exactly the same way they do? Do you think that somehow the Chapel Hill shooting was justified? Do you think that all Muslims are terrorists? There was nothing I said that even smacks of bigotry.

See last post....I never made the claim,I discussed a claim already made.
For shit sure it aint my job to disabuse anyone who thinks they might be thinking a little bit bigoted.
Hell we should all do a self inventory once on awhile.
If you and your bud FW do such an inventory and come up clean.....well there you go.
But don't blame me for a conversation I didn't initiate.

Once again you have not been paying attention, FD (not FW) is by no means my bud. I have have a clear conscience.

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