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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case.

Why would it be "punishing the innocent" if everyone didn't have access to so many guns???
You would only hold that view if you were still in 'Wild West' mode thinking that you need guns because everyone else has one and if you don't, they'll kill you instead.
Do you realize just how paranoid that sounds??

200 years ago, I'd agree with you.
Even 100 years ago, it would hold water.
But in the 21st century?? Not so much - and only in America where gun nuts thrive.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England.

So you are saying that this asswipe would have still killed those muslims if he didn't have a gun handy?
If he did, then he deliberately went packing just to kill them.
And that would indeed make it a racist killing.

But generally, in these types of cases, I honestly don't think so.

So my posit would still stand: in general, no gun means no deaths in a lot of scenarios.
The crime figures, per capita, shows that.

noo actually it COULD mean that, or any number of other reasons...

like "I have told them and told them not to park in my space, now I am going to show them WHY"

if some one get mad at their neighbor for ANY reason ad bashes their head in with a club, it doesn't mean their racist it means they were MAD no matter what race their neighbor happen to be!

you are sooo right, you can't fix stupid!

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case.

Why would it be "punishing the innocent" if everyone didn't have access to so many guns???
You would only hold that view if you were still in 'Wild West' mode thinking that you need guns because everyone else has one and if you don't, they'll kill you instead.
Do you realize just how paranoid that sounds??

200 years ago, I'd agree with you.
Even 100 years ago, it would hold water.
But in the 21st century?? Not so much - and only in America where gun nuts thrive.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England.

So you are saying that this asswipe would have still killed those muslims if he didn't have a gun handy?
If he did, then he deliberately went packing just to kill them.
And that would indeed make it a racist killing.
But generally, in these types of cases, I honestly don't think so.

So my posit would still stand: in general, no gun means no deaths in a lot of scenarios.
The crime figures, per capita, shows that.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case.

Why would it be "punishing the innocent" if everyone didn't have access to so many guns???
You would only hold that view if you were still in 'Wild West' mode thinking that you need guns because everyone else has one and if you don't, they'll kill you instead.
Do you realize just how paranoid that sounds??

200 years ago, I'd agree with you.
Even 100 years ago, it would hold water.
But in the 21st century?? Not so much - and only in America where gun nuts thrive.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England.

So you are saying that this asswipe would have still killed those muslims if he didn't have a gun handy?
If he did, then he deliberately went packing just to kill them.
And that would indeed make it a racist killing.
But generally, in these types of cases, I honestly don't think so.

So my posit would still stand: in general, no gun means no deaths in a lot of scenarios.
The crime figures, per capita, shows that.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case.

Why would it be "punishing the innocent" if everyone didn't have access to so many guns???
You would only hold that view if you were still in 'Wild West' mode thinking that you need guns because everyone else has one and if you don't, they'll kill you instead.
Do you realize just how paranoid that sounds??

200 years ago, I'd agree with you.
Even 100 years ago, it would hold water.
But in the 21st century?? Not so much - and only in America where gun nuts thrive.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England.

So you are saying that this asswipe would have still killed those muslims if he didn't have a gun handy?
If he did, then he deliberately went packing just to kill them.
And that would indeed make it a racist killing.
But generally, in these types of cases, I honestly don't think so.

So my posit would still stand: in general, no gun means no deaths in a lot of scenarios.
The crime figures, per capita, shows that.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space.
This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems.
So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove.
It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand.
Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.

This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that.
NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners.
But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners.
It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database?

Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES.
So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners.
You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot.
And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat.

The move to Canada

Fuck you asshole,this is my country,born and bred.
Where the fuck do you get off telling me where to live ?
I believe that same Constitution gives me the right to hold and voice opinion,even when they are critical of my country,especially then.
But you being grade a asshole don't understand that.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin



he doesn't even realize that if Johnny uses his toy to bash Sally and kills her, using that to justify taking ALL TOYS away from ALL CHILDREN is a PUNISHMENT

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space.
This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems.
So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove.
It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand.
Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.

This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that.
NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners.
But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners.
It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database?

Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES.
So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners.
You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot.
And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat.

The move to Canada

Fuck you asshole,this is my country,born and bred.
Where the fuck do you get off telling me where to live ?
I believe that same Constitution gives me the right to hold and voice opinion,even when they are critical of my country,especially then.
But you being grade a asshole don't understand that.

I understand your right to express you opinion, that's covered in the 1st amendment.
But you don't want to live in the United States, you want to change the United States into Canada, why go to all that trouble of trying to force Canada on those of us who don't want to live there when they have one ready made for you.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin



he doesn't even realize that if Johnny uses his toy to bash Sally and kills her, using that to justify taking ALL TOYS away from ALL CHILDREN is a PUNISHMENT

Firstly there is a difference between adults and children, I hope we can agree on that at least.

Now if adult Johnnys are using guns to kill adult Sallys all over the country on a daily basis, is that not some justification to try and take at least some of the guns away?

I guess you didn't watch the comedian at the start of the "some good points" thread? He made the very valid point that there are already many laws that are in place to reduce risk to the general population.

That's why we can't all drive at any speed we want, because there are far too many idiots out there, ditto drug laws and many others.

Yet pretty much any idiot can get a gun, or dozens of guns if he/she wants and do pretty much anything they want with them.

Make sense? Nope

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space.
This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems.
So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove.
It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand.
Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.

This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that.
NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners.
But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners.
It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database?

Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES.
So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners.
You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot.
And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat.

The move to Canada

Fuck you asshole,this is my country,born and bred.
Where the fuck do you get off telling me where to live ?
I believe that same Constitution gives me the right to hold and voice opinion,even when they are critical of my country,especially then.
But you being grade a asshole don't understand that.

I understand your right to express you opinion, that's covered in the 1st amendment.
But you don't want to live in the United States, you want to change the United States into Canada, why go to all that trouble of trying to force Canada on those of us who don't want to live there when they have one ready made for you.

Cause I'd rather stay and affect whatever change I can in MY country.Maybe I wont live to see it but I am confident my son will live to see a country that has shed it's assholic gun culture to the point where gun crimes are the exception rather than the norm of our lives.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


So you will fight to destroy America and make it into some quasi European semi free state where your son no longer has the protection of the U S Constitution. Because if you think for one moment that the dismantling of the Constitution will end with the 2nd amendment you are a bigger fool than I thought.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


So you will fight to destroy America and make it into some quasi European semi free state where your son no longer has the protection of the U S Constitution. Because if you think for one moment that the dismantling of the Constitution will end with the 2nd amendment you are a bigger fool than I thought.

Hey guess what, we have laws over here too.

Just because we don't use the fucking magic word "constitution" doesn't mean they don't exist.

You might think this magic constitution thing some how frees you from the tyranny of government, but here's a big heads up for you, it fucking doesn't.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


So you will fight to destroy America and make it into some quasi European semi free state where your son no longer has the protection of the U S Constitution. Because if you think for one moment that the dismantling of the Constitution will end with the 2nd amendment you are a bigger fool than I thought.

Hey guess what, we have laws over here too.

Just because we don't use the fucking magic word "constitution" doesn't mean they don't exist.

You might think this magic constitution thing some how frees you from the tyranny of government, but here's a big heads up for you, it fucking doesn't.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


So you will fight to destroy America and make it into some quasi European semi free state where your son no longer has the protection of the U S Constitution. Because if you think for one moment that the dismantling of the Constitution will end with the 2nd amendment you are a bigger fool than I thought.

Hey guess what, we have laws over here too.

Just because we don't use the fucking magic word "constitution" doesn't mean they don't exist.

You might think this magic constitution thing some how frees you from the tyranny of government, but here's a big heads up for you, it fucking doesn't.

Please do not for a moment believe he is representative of the majority of Americans.
He is,unfortunately representative of most American's posting on the web and calling into right wing talk radio shows.
And that is a sad thing to be

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

LOL,ROFLMAO.......Joe......Joe McCarthy is that you ?
So because I feel that we need sensible Federal Law where guns are concerned that will DESTROY the Republic.
You're a bigger asshole than I thought.
America's schools,business's library's,hospitals,government offices,post offices etc.etc will be safer places,that is all that will happen.
The Constitution will not be rendered useless,the bar that currently makes changing the second,will remain just as high for anyone seeking to change any of the other amendments.
Now you fucking explain how that would not be so,you rationalize your irrational fear you dumb backwoods asshole.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

LOL,ROFLMAO.......Joe......Joe McCarthy is that you ?
So because I feel that we need sensible Federal Law where guns are concerned that will DESTROY the Republic.
You're a bigger asshole than I thought.
America's schools,business's library's,hospitals,government offices,post offices etc.etc will be safer places,that is all that will happen.
The Constitution will not be rendered useless,the bar that currently makes changing the second,will remain just as high for anyone seeking to change any of the other amendments.
Now you fucking explain how that would not be so,you rationalize your irrational fear you dumb backwoods asshole.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


So you will fight to destroy America and make it into some quasi European semi free state where your son no longer has the protection of the U S Constitution. Because if you think for one moment that the dismantling of the Constitution will end with the 2nd amendment you are a bigger fool than I thought.

Hey guess what, we have laws over here too.

Just because we don't use the fucking magic word "constitution" doesn't mean they don't exist.

You might think this magic constitution thing some how frees you from the tyranny of government, but here's a big heads up for you, it fucking doesn't.

Please do not for a moment believe he is representative of the majority of Americans.
He is,unfortunately representative of most American's posting on the web and calling into right wing talk radio shows.
And that is a sad thing to be
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One of you made the redneck claim about me so all of you take it as gospel that I live out in the woods someplace with a 4th grade education. This is only about 180% off, par for the course.
Talk about close minded, it is either agree with you or not care about anyone but myself.
Looks to me like you have had a tragedy where you or someone else did something stupid or evil with a firearm and to make sense of it you have obsessed with blaming the firearm. Fits at least as well as anything you have said about me.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to slvemike4u)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

And again, the question is "why should ANYONE give something up because of the nuts?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


So you will fight to destroy America and make it into some quasi European semi free state where your son no longer has the protection of the U S Constitution. Because if you think for one moment that the dismantling of the Constitution will end with the 2nd amendment you are a bigger fool than I thought.

Hey guess what, we have laws over here too.

Just because we don't use the fucking magic word "constitution" doesn't mean they don't exist.

You might think this magic constitution thing some how frees you from the tyranny of government, but here's a big heads up for you, it fucking doesn't.

The fact that you say this means you don't understand the difference between a law and an article of the Constitution. We can change our laws as easy as you can but changing the Constitution is a whole nother thing.
The Constitution is not laws, it is the rules for making laws.