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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 9:50:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yep... but it is not bad that these things are reported as long and they are not sensationalized to the point where copycats wanting their day of fame try to top the last atrocity.

There is no doubt this tragedy needed to be reported and the reasons for it.

Butch

And the guy needs to fry, regardless of why he did it.
20 years ago this would have been relegated to local or at most regional news.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 10:23:43 AM

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Then there was your stupid contention that American cops all want British gun laws, you may have met one or two but I have been around cops all my life and haven't met any yet.

I have never contended that American cops want UK gun laws. That would be your take on my words.
What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths.
That is obvious to anyone outside of the US.
You are obviously one of those that will have guns just because you can and you live in that 'Wild West' bubble where you firmly believe that having a gun is necessary for your protection.
Most of us outside the US don't see things in the same myopic view that you do.

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It wasn't a gun, well la de da, it was a lethal weapon. I always obey weapons laws, and unlike you don't toss them aside when they don't suit me.

Whoop de do! I have also obeyed all our firearms laws too. So what's your fucking point??
Are you telling me you have never taken a knife (or any other implement that could be deemed 'lethal' such as a piece of wire) anywhere in breach of the law?
If your answer is yes, I really don't fucking believe you.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Unless they were in their 70's I don't even believe that they never drove over 40.

Nancy in Tampa, now currently in her late 50's I believe, have never ever driven above 30mph all her life.
Friend in Jax, FL (now in his early 50's), never ever driven above 50mph even on the interstate.
Both his sons with good lawyer firms in their 30's & 40's, followed their fathers example.
Another friend in Raleigh, NC, never driven above 50mph all his life. He is a Vet in 6o's.

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You speak from ignorance and arrogance, love your laws, it doesn't matter to me.

Not of ignorance nor arrogance, just fact. That would be your arrogant redneck perspective.

That fact that it doesn't matter to you that you could have a much better country but for your guns speaks volumes.

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The big difference is I don't ask you to adopt our laws that I am comfortable with and you ask us to adopt your laws which you disregard if you, in your infinite wisdom, deem excessive.

Nope. I don't ask that you adopt our laws.
Which, incidentally, you stole from the Brits in the first place!!

The fact is, we evolved and learned our lessons. The US hasn't and is still suffering for it as a result.
It's only redneck fundamentalists such as yourself that are preventing sensible changes to the laws.
And what laws you do have, it would appear that most of your cops are unable (or unwilling) to enforce.
That in itself is also part of the problem; lack of enforcement.
Simply: poorly trained crap cops.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 10:39:52 AM

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Just curious, did something specific happen to cause your intense hatred of the US or was it more of a generalized thing? And do you honestly think making exaggerated claims like "Nancy in Tampa, now currently in her late 50's I believe, have never ever driven above 30mph all her life." is going to help your credibility.

Now you probably don't know this based on past comments, but it is just as illegal to drive way under the speed limit as it is to drive over it. If your friend honestly never went over 30 then it was probably because they took her license away at an early age or she never drove anywhere.

As to your Wild West crack and redneck comments, you have a lot of balls to call anyone else myopic.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 10:52:37 AM

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Just curious, did something specific happen to cause your intense hatred of the US or was it more of a generalized thing? And do you honestly think making exaggerated claims like "Nancy in Tampa, now currently in her late 50's I believe, have never ever driven above 30mph all her life." is going to help your credibility.

Now you probably don't know this based on past comments, but it is just as illegal to drive way under the speed limit as it is to drive over it. If your friend honestly never went over 30 then it was probably because they took her license away at an early age or she never drove anywhere.

As to your Wild West crack and redneck comments, you have a lot of balls to call anyone else myopic.

I don't hate the US.
In fact, there are many things I like about it.
Cheap food, cheap clothes, cheap cars, cheap fuel, cheap houses, better wages, better weather... yada yada yada.

The main reason I don't live there now are
1) the guns and stupid people;
2) stupidly expensive healthcare costs.

And just because I happen to know quite a few people that have never driven fast (even when they've never lost their license), doesn't discredit me at all. You presume that they have lost their license at some point - they haven't.
And those claims are not exaggerated either. These are real people that I know and have met personally.

And I can hold my PoV that a lot of Americans and their guns do indeed have a myopic PoV compared to many in the US and also most outside the US that see that stubborn PoV as being self-destructive.
That doesn't make it any less poignant or relevant than those that hold the opposite view.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 12:44:59 PM

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Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space.
This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems.
So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove.
It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand.
Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.

This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that.
NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners.
But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners.
It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database?

Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES.
So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners.
You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot.
And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 12:46:07 PM

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The problem with your standpoint Bama is that if after the event, the person is deemed to have any sort of deficiency, they are classified as having possible mental health problems and thus is no longer a 'responsible' gun owner.
The point being that up until the event, they were considered 'normal' (whatever that is) and something made them become unhinged.

This is the very point that many anti-gun posters are making.
There are far too many 'normal until they snapped' people doing stupid things and killing people.
That doesn't count the misfits, robbers, villains, suicides, and accidents that happen every year.
This is a classic case of if they didn't have guns, there wouldn't have been deaths.
Probably a damned good argument and an altercation, yes; but unlikely to have been deaths as a result.

QFT,and pretty much what I said prior to seeing this post

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 12:47:49 PM

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But they were UNAWARE of such issues until something happened!!
Does everyone in the US get a full health check every week??
I doubt that many have a full health check every few years.
And that fact that someone could be fine one day and snap the next is the very reason that guns are dangerous - even in the hands of so-called 'responsible' owners.

And that is happening all too often across the US.

If he was under care and deemed dangerous they would not have been UNAWARE if it had been entered as it should have been.
But then as you have made clear, weapons restrictions are only for peasants and Americans, not for "reasonable" people like you. How can you ask us to follows your laws when you don't?

What about the ticking time bombs that have as of yet sought help.....the idiots armed and ready to snap.
Do you think the rest of us have no cause to worry about bumping into one ?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 12:57:17 PM

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What about the ticking time bombs that have as of yet sought help.....the idiots armed and ready to snap.
Do you think the rest of us have no cause to worry about bumping into one ?

I'm beginning to understand now why all the Americans I've met here in the UK have been very, *very* polite. ;-)

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:03:55 PM

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And we are supposed to live like this because some long dead white men(a good portion of them slave holders) fashioned a document considered so sacrosanct that no amount of dead bodies can alter it.

And yet,as the comic pointed out,they're called AMENDMENTS....I think for a reason

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:09:42 PM

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You know, I've been reading, Mike ... In the Constitution, as well as the 2nd Amendment, what look like the words 'gun' and 'guns' are actually misprints. The true words are, in fact, 'beard' and 'beards'.

Not a lot of people know that.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:18:34 PM

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What about the ticking time bombs that have as of yet sought help.....the idiots armed and ready to snap.
Do you think the rest of us have no cause to worry about bumping into one ?

According to Bama (and a few others), you would be defended (and saved) by those good guys carrying their guns!

Unfortunately, as per the stats, you are more likely to be dead than saved; despite their assertions that guns save lives.
If saving a few lives means 32,000+ have to die every year, they don't give a shit as long as they can have their guns.

They just cannot, and will not, envisage a country without the proliferation of guns.
It's like talking to a wall - they refuse to listen.
Guns are good. Guns save lives. And the 2nd says they can have them, so they will.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:20:37 PM

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Count me as one of them than

Of course if the words "well regulated militia" were given as much weight as "the right of the people" we wouldn't have such a huge problem....but the gun industry and their lackeys(re:conservatives)
have seen to the distortion

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:35:47 PM

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And yet,as the comic pointed out,they're called AMENDMENTS....I think for a reason

Now you're getting somewhere. At least we could narrow down the discussion. If you guys would ever notice the key part of the amendment is the last part of the sentence with the subject and the verb we could get beyond your silly militia clause fantasies.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:43:41 PM

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And yet,as the comic pointed out,they're called AMENDMENTS....I think for a reason

Now you're getting somewhere. At least we could narrow down the discussion. If you guys would ever notice the key part of the amendment is the last part of the sentence with the subject and the verb we could get beyond your silly militia clause fantasies.

You can't cherry pick and parse the words you want to muffled.
"militia" is as important to the meaning as "right" and "people"

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:48:38 PM

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Are you telling me you have never taken a knife (or any other implement that could be deemed 'lethal' such as a piece of wire) anywhere in breach of the law?
If your answer is yes, I really don't fucking believe you.

FD
No I haven't, and I don't care if you believe me or not.
I understand why you don't, if you consider the law optional then a mere American redneck must.

You obey the anti-gun laws, big deal, your homemade mace is a deadly weapon, much messier and much more cruel than a firearm.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:50:36 PM

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What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths.
That is obvious to anyone outside of the US.

FD
No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 1:55:29 PM

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It's the frequency and lethality of firearms that make the difference.
Look how far back you had to go to get to OJ
Every female here now knows you're an old man.
Kids born after OJ are drinking alcohol for gods sake

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 2:01:19 PM

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Count me as one of them than

Of course if the words "well regulated militia" were given as much weight as "the right of the people" we wouldn't have such a huge problem....but the gun industry and their lackeys(re:conservatives)
have seen to the distortion

You left out another group with that view, the people who wrote it.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 2:04:57 PM

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It's the frequency and lethality of firearms that make the difference.
Look how far back you had to go to get to OJ
Every female here now knows you're an old man.
Kids born after OJ are drinking alcohol for gods sake

Oklahoma City last year where a disgruntled radical Muslim beheaded one woman and was attacking another when stopped by a man with a gun. I didn't have to go back that far, I just figured that even FD had heard of OJ. With age comes wisdom, except in your case.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/12/2015 2:06:40 PM

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What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths.
That is obvious to anyone outside of the US.

FD
No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong.

So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands??
Apparently it was with a knife -
"Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife."

So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used.
And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun?
About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate.
So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme.

As they often say.... you can't fix stupid!

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