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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 6:18:14 AM   
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We don't have Daylight Saving Time in Arizona, so the women here got the full 24 hours.
Do we even need Daylight Saving Time anymore? Does it really matter all that much if the clocks are one hour ahead or one hour behind? Does anybody really know what time it is?


DST is, supposedly, an energy saver. The idea being that we Americans will not have as many lights on in the evening hours if it's lighter outside. I can tell you that, for me, I'd much rather go to work when it's darker and have an extra hour of daylight afterwards.


Yes, but people will still have their computers, TVs, air conditioning, and other appliances on during those hours. We didn't have as many electrical devices back when DST first came about, so perhaps the energy savings might have been more noticeable than it is now. In Arizona, people tend to want that extra hour of daylight in the morning, since it's so bloomin' hot in the afternoon and evening.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 10:05:54 AM   
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So while I and a great many other people had every right to be offended by his affair, we had no right to legislate our views into the law. The same holds true for many of the grievances brought forth by the perpetually offended.



I agree. People had a right to be offended. It seems that a few people here are offended, at least a bit, by my having brought up the subject of Monica's gristle-gobbling of Bill's todger. Oh no! That isn't about the sort of stuff at which we can all snort - that's *really* offensive!

But it isn't, of course. The USA made itself look more ridiculous in the eyes of the rest of the world, than it had done for the century before that incident. No one outside the USA thought, for even a second, that Clinton getting a chew outside of his marriage, *on its own*, would have the slightest impact on his efficacy as a president. It was downright embarrassing watching the USA's politics at that time. This side of the pond, we cringed like we'd never done before, nor probably have since.

What gets me, I have to say, about this sort of topic and the much-loved term 'political correctness' - especially the latter - is that it's a term designed to focus on things that those on the left find offensive. (Or *might* find offensive - if one pushes the needle far enough.) There is no such thing as 'right wing political correctness' - given the way that term has so carefully been crafted over the years. However, it's actually a piece of cake to find things - actually many, many things - that righties find offensive and which we on the left find silly or even outright ludicrous. Those sorts of things never, ever fall under the general rubric of 'political correctness', natch. Not to worry. That doesn't matter - we lefties don't need them to fit into that category.

I'm just saying. I would gently suggest to righties here: don't push your luck.
Yeah...Silly Americans...expecting the people we vote into office to respect the dignity of the office and just do their job there and not use the space for fucking their interns, especially when the officeholder is married to someone else and they're doing the fucking around on our dime. How provincial of us to expect someone who's going to preach to us about how to behave to expect him/her to behave in a respectful manner.

You missed something though, Peon. I never said that there aren't those on the right who don't get offended. In fact I noted that there are indeed people on the right who get offended. And when they try to legislate because of their FEELINGS on the subject and not with facts, they rightly get shot down. That's why I find Rand Paul's stance on gay marriage ridiculous but he does have one fact right...While there is science that proves heterosexuality is not a choice, there is yet to be scientific proof that there is a genetic structure pertaining to homosexuality not being a choice. BUT, he's still operating on his feelings and opinions more than he is on that fact... But he's entitled to his feelings. However, when he tries to legislate his stance, based on his own feelings, he's wrong. If he tries to legislate it based on just his constituents feelings, he's wrong. If they can present facts...not just feelings...then they have that right.

But...the same holds true for the left. A person's hurt feelings don't really matter. Hurt because someone won't bake a gay wedding cake for you? Tough. Find someone who will. You have no right to force someone to bake you a wedding cake, based on your hurt feelings. Nor do you have the right to force someone to tolerate your views while disregarding theirs.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2015/02/24/question-for-the-new-york-times-if-gays-are-offended-do-christians-have-rights/

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 12:12:46 PM   
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what right do they have to discriminate against someone who wants a cake ....based on hurt feelings.
surely to discriminate merely over a cake is just some really hurt feelings.
Oh and maybe you havent heard about the chap who wants to do away with LGBT protections against discrimination?
http://www.towleroad.com/2015/01/anti-gay-group-says-it-has-enough-signatures-to-repeal-lgbt-protections-in-plano-texas.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._ballot_initiatives_to_repeal_LGBT_anti-discrimination_laws
http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/duggar-family-faces-backlash-after-success-in-repealing-lgbt-protections-01093531
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/group-names-100-businesses-in-favor-of-keeping-gayrights-law-in-springfield/21048998_31643054

Rightly shot down ....HAH

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 12:15:08 PM   
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Yeah...Silly Americans...expecting the people we vote into office to respect the dignity of the office and just do their job there and not use the space for fucking their interns, especially when the officeholder is married to someone else and they're doing the fucking around on our dime. How provincial of us to expect someone who's going to preach to us about how to behave to expect him/her to behave in a respectful manner.



Wow. Well, if you want to offend yourself and all other Americans, I guess it's your right to go ahead and do just that, CD.

One thing I've noticed, time and again on these boards, is that those who are most likely to scorn what they see as 'political correctness' and oversensitivity regarding minorities, or those generally at the bottom in US society, are exactly the ones who are most hypersensitive to an imagined slight to Americans and the USA *as a whole* - especially from Europeans, but most of all from Brits. Interesting, that. As I've said before, there's no such thing as 'right wing political correctness'. But if it were to be invented - this would be an example of it.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 12:42:19 PM   
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I love when I see American's and Brits being discussed. As a group of people, to put everyone in the same pot due to location, as if they are a whole rather than individual and list their faults, starts sounding like something we don't allow here.

Hard to monitor and even less likely to be able to prove; distasteful all the same. Distasteful is something I have to pay attention to because it tends to inflame.

If you all want threads I have to shut down done, then you might consider not using up my time here and being real careful about how we speak of others in nations we don't live in. Even those nations most might not like. Because someone does bad in nation 16, all people from nation 16 are not bad. All people from nation ten are not alike and differ. Just like all people into alternative lifestyles cannot be lumped into one and are all the same.

Even if I had mods running all over this forum, there are some things that only I can do. I shut down a thread for cleaning, then went to what seemed a half a day meeting. Now I am back.

Remember the word, 'some' or anything that doesn't attack a group as a whole by your wording, please.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 1:40:04 PM   
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Yeah...Silly Americans...expecting the people we vote into office to respect the dignity of the office and just do their job there and not use the space for fucking their interns, especially when the officeholder is married to someone else and they're doing the fucking around on our dime. How provincial of us to expect someone who's going to preach to us about how to behave to expect him/her to behave in a respectful manner.



Wow. Well, if you want to offend yourself and all other Americans, I guess it's your right to go ahead and do just that, CD.

One thing I've noticed, time and again on these boards, is that those who are most likely to scorn what they see as 'political correctness' and oversensitivity regarding minorities, or those generally at the bottom in US society, are exactly the ones who are most hypersensitive to an imagined slight to Americans and the USA *as a whole* - especially from Europeans, but most of all from Brits. Interesting, that. As I've said before, there's no such thing as 'right wing political correctness'. But if it were to be invented - this would be an example of it.



hell.....why not toss in the crazy canucks too? <read sarcasm>

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 4:16:06 PM   
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what right do they have to discriminate against someone who wants a cake ....based on hurt feelings.
surely to discriminate merely over a cake is just some really hurt feelings.
Oh and maybe you havent heard about the chap who wants to do away with LGBT protections against discrimination?
http://www.towleroad.com/2015/01/anti-gay-group-says-it-has-enough-signatures-to-repeal-lgbt-protections-in-plano-texas.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._ballot_initiatives_to_repeal_LGBT_anti-discrimination_laws
http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/duggar-family-faces-backlash-after-success-in-repealing-lgbt-protections-01093531
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/group-names-100-businesses-in-favor-of-keeping-gayrights-law-in-springfield/21048998_31643054

Rightly shot down ....HAH
And again...the LGBT community has every right to protection. From someone who will not hire them. From someone who will not pay them them the same as a straight co-worker. Against someone who would physically harm them or put them in fear of harm.

But from someone who will not bake them a birthday cake? No. There is NO harm done by refusing to bake someone a cake. But...forcing someone to bake somebody a cake as if the baker's beliefs and lifestyle...not feelings...but beliefs and lifestyle don't matter, then what you are telling that baker is that the LGBT person's feelings are more important than the religious person's beliefs. That's not tolerance for everyone's views...thats legislation of one set of views over another.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 6:54:38 PM   
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What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 7:34:14 PM   
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What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life.


LOL, really Aylee? Not caring is harder than caring? Now you're yanking my chain! hehe

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 7:38:20 PM   
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What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life.


LOL, really Aylee? Not caring is harder than caring? Now you're yanking my chain! hehe


I said nothing about caring.

It is a waste of time and life, at least my time and my life, to try and figure out some way of being tolerant of everyone else's beliefs.

Not all beliefs are equal. I see no gain an trying to figure out ways in which they are.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/10/2015 7:50:59 PM   
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hell.....why not toss in the crazy canucks too? <read sarcasm>


Those moose-riding, igloo-building freaks that act so polite just to make everyone else look bad?? Don't even get me started on them!

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/11/2015 6:54:25 AM   
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One thing I've noticed, time and again on these boards, is that those who are most likely to scorn what they see as 'political correctness' and oversensitivity regarding minorities, or those generally at the bottom in US society, are exactly the ones who are most hypersensitive to an imagined slight to Americans and the USA *as a whole* - especially from Europeans, but most of all from Brits. Interesting, that. As I've said before, there's no such thing as 'right wing political correctness'. But if it were to be invented - this would be an example of it.


I think everyone has their own particular "holy ground" where there might be issues which are more sensitive for some people.

I've always been somewhat ambivalent about "political correctness," although I have noticed from older (1980s and earlier) movies and TV shows that had some things that would not be acceptable nowadays. Certain types of humor are off limits. Reruns of All in the Family have to have a warning to viewers when such warnings were not necessary when the show was originally aired. While the show was still controversial back then, it also provoked thought and discussion within society that may have been needed at that particular time.

Back in the 70s, people sought out controversy and discussion of deeper, hard-hitting issues, but by the 80s, people wanted to avoid controversy or anything at all that might be considered "too deep" or would actually require thought.

As for the usual banter between Americans and Brits, that may be a different story. Brits have their "sore spots," too. I don't think I would consider myself "hypersensitive" to criticism about America, although it depends on who's making the criticism, what they're criticizing us for, and whether they have any room to talk.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/18/2015 1:00:34 AM   
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The new Cinderella remake is reviewed over at PJ Media:

The tale of Cinderella has been retold, directly or indirectly, countless times in recent years, but something just happened to it that I would not believe if I had not seen it . . . With Cinderella (2015), director Kenneth Branagh and screenwriter Chris Weitz have done the almost unimaginable. They’ve displayed sincere affection between a prince and a servant girl, without post-modern angst or politically correct messaging...

Perhaps more shocking than the genuine and chaste love between the prince and Cinderella is the sincere respect, love and admiration between the prince and his father, the king, as the son struggles to balance his love for the mysterious maiden, with his desire to honor his father . . . Fairy tales were meant to sweep us from our mundane lives, captivate our hearts, lift our spirits and make us dream again. This Cinderella does all...


Think it sounds wonderful? Yeah no, you fucking pig!

Sure, you might have been one of the millions who swarmed theaters to check out Lily James step into her Swarovski glass slippers, but the folks at Screen Junkies are here to remind you what the tale of Cinderella is really about.

“Revisit the animated classic that will cancel out all of the empowering things your daughter learned from Frozen, where girls are taught to be pushovers, do all the housework and that their problems will disappear if they’re hot enough to land a rich husband.”

Snort. Oh, and all of that talking to animals? It’s just because she’s cray-cray from living in that attic all those years. Wouldn’t you be? As for her Fairy Godmother, where was she when Cinderella’s father died? Or when her stepmother “forced her into slavery”?
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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/18/2015 1:37:01 AM   
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The tale of Cinderella, or Aschenputtel, as it was originally called, had fuck-all to do with any of the themes people think it did. Fairy tales were meant to teach piss ant kids to mind their fuckin' manners and elders. Clearly we need a revival of this movement. Someone bring back the Grimm Bros, please.

These new wave "offended by everything" (especially the 3rd wave feminazis who take no joy in being feminine - and instead attack it for being "oppressive") and their stupidity never cease to amaze me. You can not expect a completely bastardized "fairy tale" that was written 200 freakin years ago and then completely rewritten so it barely even resembles the original - save for a shoe and some mean ass narcissistic cunts, and maybe the pair of doves at the end but that's if you know the story - into an animated film to conform to ideas that have only existed in the realm of popular consciousness for what? 25-30 years? Give me a god damn break. Might as well go back to not letting women vote if this is what we're turning into *kidding - but definitely don't let them near anything important...A bunch of incessantly nitpicking nags who can't even enjoy a simple FICTIONAL story without getting their granny panties in a twist. Eat a cock, ladies, you'll be a lot happier.

Frozen had no real message aside from "sisters4eva". It wasn't any more empowering or interesting than any other nice fairy tale. Pretty, some funny bits, decent animation - but it didn't teach girls anything aside from the dashing guy with seeming swag who says he's interested is probably a big fat liar.




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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/21/2015 9:33:53 PM   
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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/21/2015 11:45:44 PM   
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What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life.


LOL, really Aylee? Not caring is harder than caring? Now you're yanking my chain! hehe


I said nothing about caring.

It is a waste of time and life, at least my time and my life, to try and figure out some way of being tolerant of everyone else's beliefs.

Not all beliefs are equal. I see no gain an trying to figure out ways in which they are.

Really ?
Is there a joke here I'm missing ?
That's your default setting ?


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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/22/2015 5:45:24 AM   
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So while I and a great many other people had every right to be offended by his affair, we had no right to legislate our views into the law. The same holds true for many of the grievances brought forth by the perpetually offended.



I agree. People had a right to be offended. It seems that a few people here are offended, at least a bit, by my having brought up the subject of Monica's gristle-gobbling of Bill's todger. Oh no! That isn't about the sort of stuff at which we can all snort - that's *really* offensive!

But it isn't, of course. The USA made itself look more ridiculous in the eyes of the rest of the world, than it had done for the century before that incident. No one outside the USA thought, for even a second, that Clinton getting a chew outside of his marriage, *on its own*, would have the slightest impact on his efficacy as a president. It was downright embarrassing watching the USA's politics at that time. This side of the pond, we cringed like we'd never done before, nor probably have since.

What gets me, I have to say, about this sort of topic and the much-loved term 'political correctness' - especially the latter - is that it's a term designed to focus on things that those on the left find offensive. (Or *might* find offensive - if one pushes the needle far enough.) There is no such thing as 'right wing political correctness' - given the way that term has so carefully been crafted over the years. However, it's actually a piece of cake to find things - actually many, many things - that righties find offensive and which we on the left find silly or even outright ludicrous. Those sorts of things never, ever fall under the general rubric of 'political correctness', natch. Not to worry. That doesn't matter - we lefties don't need them to fit into that category.

I'm just saying. I would gently suggest to righties here: don't push your luck.
Yeah...Silly Americans...expecting the people we vote into office to respect the dignity of the office and just do their job there and not use the space for fucking their interns, especially when the officeholder is married to someone else and they're doing the fucking around on our dime. How provincial of us to expect someone who's going to preach to us about how to behave to expect him/her to behave in a respectful manner.

You missed something though, Peon. I never said that there aren't those on the right who don't get offended. In fact I noted that there are indeed people on the right who get offended. And when they try to legislate because of their FEELINGS on the subject and not with facts, they rightly get shot down. That's why I find Rand Paul's stance on gay marriage ridiculous but he does have one fact right...While there is science that proves heterosexuality is not a choice, there is yet to be scientific proof that there is a genetic structure pertaining to homosexuality not being a choice. BUT, he's still operating on his feelings and opinions more than he is on that fact... But he's entitled to his feelings. However, when he tries to legislate his stance, based on his own feelings, he's wrong. If he tries to legislate it based on just his constituents feelings, he's wrong. If they can present facts...not just feelings...then they have that right.

But...the same holds true for the left. A person's hurt feelings don't really matter. Hurt because someone won't bake a gay wedding cake for you? Tough. Find someone who will. You have no right to force someone to bake you a wedding cake, based on your hurt feelings. Nor do you have the right to force someone to tolerate your views while disregarding theirs.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2015/02/24/question-for-the-new-york-times-if-gays-are-offended-do-christians-have-rights/



Well said as usual. Personally I could give a rats ass how many women he had sex with. My problem was when he went on national tv and told the kids that a blow job is ok because it's not really sex. A couple years after that my friend who works with kids was counseling an young boy and asked him why he thought getting a blow job was acceptable and he told her that the president had said it wasn't sex and there wasn't anything wrong with it. If he wants to fuck around on shrillary then have at it, just don't announce to the world what a great fellow you are for having done so.

Oh and Peon, I can understand why you think we would care that you folks cringe at what we do, but we don't. really

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/22/2015 5:51:53 AM   
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what right do they have to discriminate against someone who wants a cake ....based on hurt feelings.
surely to discriminate merely over a cake is just some really hurt feelings.
Oh and maybe you havent heard about the chap who wants to do away with LGBT protections against discrimination?
http://www.towleroad.com/2015/01/anti-gay-group-says-it-has-enough-signatures-to-repeal-lgbt-protections-in-plano-texas.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._ballot_initiatives_to_repeal_LGBT_anti-discrimination_laws
http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/duggar-family-faces-backlash-after-success-in-repealing-lgbt-protections-01093531
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/group-names-100-businesses-in-favor-of-keeping-gayrights-law-in-springfield/21048998_31643054

Rightly shot down ....HAH
And again...the LGBT community has every right to protection. From someone who will not hire them. From someone who will not pay them them the same as a straight co-worker. Against someone who would physically harm them or put them in fear of harm.

But from someone who will not bake them a birthday cake? No. There is NO harm done by refusing to bake someone a cake. But...forcing someone to bake somebody a cake as if the baker's beliefs and lifestyle...not feelings...but beliefs and lifestyle don't matter, then what you are telling that baker is that the LGBT person's feelings are more important than the religious person's beliefs. That's not tolerance for everyone's views...thats legislation of one set of views over another.



I kinda like this idea...

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2015/03/20/lgbt-rfra-discrimination/25024767/

then I know upfront where to spend my money.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/22/2015 6:25:46 AM   
PeonForHer


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Oh and Peon, I can understand why you think we would care that you folks cringe at what we do, but we don't. really


Bollocks.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/22/2015 8:20:17 AM   
Aylee


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

What is this insane-vein-popping determination that we SHOULD go around tolerant of everyone's beliefs. Sheesh. There is a waste of time and life.


LOL, really Aylee? Not caring is harder than caring? Now you're yanking my chain! hehe


I said nothing about caring.

It is a waste of time and life, at least my time and my life, to try and figure out some way of being tolerant of everyone else's beliefs.

Not all beliefs are equal. I see no gain an trying to figure out ways in which they are.

Really ?
Is there a joke here I'm missing ?
That's your default setting ?



That not all beliefs are equal and it is a waste of my time to be tolerant of everyone's beliefs? Yeppers.

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