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feastie -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 3:20:11 PM)

For me, a bratty submissive is much the same as a bratty child.  She does everything she can to get attention, even negative attention.  They're more annoying that the bratty child though, as they are old enough to know better.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 3:32:02 PM)

A sub/slave who is acting in such a manner as to annoy me. Rather like the child tugging on the mother's skirt going, "Mom mom mom mom mom mom mom" and other such behaviors.

Master Fire



swtnsparkling -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 3:46:27 PM)

 I don't make up my own definitions of words. So Definition of A brat is specifically : an ill-mannered annoying child or ill-mannered immature person.   Doesn't matter if they are sub or not.  I can be playful - silly- spirited but I am never a brat and I find nothing charming about being so.



Level -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 3:56:34 PM)

*gives feastie and sweet a gold star apiece; looks at MFire and nods in agreement*



feastie -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 4:04:42 PM)

Oooooooooooo....a gold star!!!  May I stick it on the calendar, please?  May I?



Level -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 4:10:02 PM)

Yes [:D].



swtnsparkling -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 4:15:51 PM)

Level, Thank You so much for  my 1st message board gold  star*  I shall cheirsh it always [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m16.gif[/image]
wow some one does read what I write -imgine that



Level -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 4:21:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

Level, Thank You so much for  my 1st message board gold  star*  I shall cheirsh it always [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m16.gif[/image]
wow some one does read what I write -imgine that


You're welcome, sweet [;)]; and yes, what you write is read.



feastie -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 4:23:00 PM)

I gotta stick it on the calendar...not only was I read, but I was agreed with and not corrected cause I wasn't PC about it.

It's a Gold Star Day!!!



Bearlee -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 4:56:06 PM)

Like several here, I am fun-loving and playful.  I enjoy innuendo and double entendre…dancing just around the edges of bratty, in light doses and never offensively; most often quietly, for only one to hear.
 
The brats I most shrink from are the adults who act childishly; pulling pranks, disrupting conversation, getting in the way.  They seem to crave attention and seek it in the rudest of ways.  They're often mouthy and loud, and seem disrespectful of everybody and everything. 



popeye1250 -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 5:22:07 PM)

It's a submissive with an attitude.
And I have the cure for that.



LotusSong -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 5:45:12 PM)

"Bratty" is something I don't have time for.  You either obey..or go away.




ElectraGlide -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 7:33:16 PM)

I dated a brat sub, she would do anything she could to wreck a nice peacefull calm day with some kind of nasty outburst. She would get a major ass spanking  discipline for it. The definition of this case was she was topping from the bottom because she loved a good hard spanking. She was testing me to see if I was a weak Dom or not.



slavejlb -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 8:22:57 PM)

nor me at all, i am always good [:)]
take care and be safe
slave jlb



slavejlb -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 8:24:23 PM)

really Sir, girl would love to know
with her little deviless smile
take care and  be safe
slave jlb



MaleModel -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 11:10:53 PM)

LadiesBladeWing, isn't part of what you're analyzing related to the Expectations of the Dominant?
 
If the Domme wants rigid adherence to everything she asks, then any brattiness, for whatever reason, is intolerable.
 
But if she cuts him some slack, and he is playful (as I am and as some of the posts have reflected), then it becomes part of a little game.  We play, disobey, resist within the envelope of slack  that Mistress has explicitly or implicitly defined.......She ultimately prevails, of course, and perhaps an issue is the amount of effort She expended.
 
If we go beyond our boundaries, we deserve to be punished, but most Dominants that I have met or corresponded with were willing to tolerate some level of "slack"......you just had to figure out what it was.



cacodylic -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 11:25:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing
The 2nd kind of bratty submissive individual is one that I find completely intolerable. These submissives are not "brats", but are passive-aggressive individuals who use the game of submission to manipulate others. They are often thoughtless and thankless, rude and obnoxious, and they do not care to whom they behave this way -- and if anyone complains, they come back with "My Master/Mistress/Owner/Dom LIKES me to be a brat." These bratty submissives are often pushy, bully other submissives, attempt (sometimes successfully) to bully dominants, switches or neutrals as well, or try to draw other submissives who do not share this dynamic into mischief. They act out in public venues where it is not appropriate, interrupt other people's play or conversation, and generally make a royal pain of themselves, all while putting on this "I'm so cute nobody could ever want to punish me" act. All the while, the dominant portion of this equation sits there and watches, but never makes a move to do anything, and when public pressure finally requires that xhe either remove hir submissive half or make hir cease the behaviors that are creating drama, xhe often finds hirself in the middle of a HUGE public argument, as the brat yells, screams, argues with not only hir owner but even the organizers of whatever event they happen to be at.
...

Both the offending brat and the ineffectual dom should be smacked up good in a case like this -- not necessarily with their consent lol



GothiqueKajira -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 11:33:52 PM)

Hmm, Crymzon would consider me to be the epitome of a bratty submissive as well ^_^;

I'm Stubborn, mouthy, loud, bitchy, rude, tempermental, and a bunch of other things.. and so.. That is my definition! Someone who is all of those things.. ~WHILE~ still knowing his/her place



ElectraGlide -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/15/2006 11:56:22 PM)

Hey most brat subs that have profiles on CM let you know ahead of time what kind of challenge you are up to. lol. That is when it is Daddy Dom time to take care of the current situation.



Padriag -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 1:16:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Good evening, irish [:D].
 
A bratty submissive, or "submissive", is one that does not behave in a way that is pleasing to the dominant, not due to lack of training, or effort, but due to lack of respect or concern for not only the dominant, but for the relationship, and perhaps for themselves.
 
Mouthy....... fickle........ sloppy in manner..........melodramatic.....
 
I love teasing and playing, and I don't think I'm some humorless jackass; but there is a line, and especially once that line has been clearly marked, fun can dissolve into brattiness fairly quickly.

I'll second this.  And yes the root cause is indeed selfishness.  The brat is more concerned with themselves than with those around them.  Their opinion, their ideas, their attitude, their desires, etc. all are more important to them than that of anyone else around them.

And to really ruffle some feathers, they're not submissive, they're playing at it.  Submission centers around the act of submitting to another's authority, and by its nature involves a degree of humility.  It requires an awareness of and consideration for others.  Brats, on the other hand, are more focused inward on their own desires rather than outward on how their actions affect others.  They characteristically lack humility, lack consideration for how their actions affect others, they are often rude.  And as can be seen in this thread, some brats even take pride in that lack of consideration for others.  There's nothing submissive in that.

Most brats I've encountered I can put in one of two categories.  One is really just a Bottom looking for kinky thrills.  A BDSM fetish bottom is not the same thing as a submissive.  Now there's nothing wrong with being a Bottom, but you have some parading as submissives when in fact they aren't (and they'll quickly and rudely challenge you if you disagree with them).

The second type wants to be "forced" into submission, these are also called SAMs, but they're really just another form of brat.  They're still trying to get their own way on their terms alone.  Their focus is not on pleasing the dominant, its on pleasing themselves, on getting their desires fed.

In any  case, I have no tolerance for a brat.  A submissive is here to serve, if that isn't you... then you are not a submissive and why are you here.



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