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Tamerofwild1s -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 3:17:18 AM)
I gotta say I have seen alot of brattiness . I can be bratty at times .. it a fun loving time playing and joking around I might turn to the girl and say oh your a brat ... thats perfectly fine .. but like others havesaid when the brattieness affects the dynamic of therelationship this then becomes the negative brat that needs to be put in her place or asked to leave .... if the brat is being that way just to get attention <named attention whore at times> then she needs a hard case of being put back in her place and remind that she does not need to be misbehaved to get my attention. I think there may be a multitude of reasons why submissives can be this way ....thats probably another thread tho. but if it from start the submissive is a Sam and you still take her under your wing then you get what you sought. me I personally like a little playful when the mood is right

wandering4u -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 3:43:56 AM)
Your second description is how I would define a Bratty Sub. A spoiled child who takes advantage of a doting Dom. Not the type of sub for me!

JessieMe -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 4:16:30 AM)
For me.. the bratty submissive syndrome comes down to one simple question: Who are you serving? If the answer is ANYTHING but your dominant who you pledged your obedience to.. then you are a bratty submissive. <disclaimer..certain situations involving under aged individuals of familial lineage may cause temporary insanity resulting in non service of your dominant.. but these should be very few and far between so as not to create a pattern of behavior>

smilezz -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 4:46:40 AM)
Someone who does not get their way...pouts...whines...stomps their feet....etc. Pretty much one who feels the need to add drama to the mix. I will state that i have seen this type of behavior in a scene before, whole other animal, it's not the miss usa drama queen going for the brat of the year title. And ohhhhhhhh, there are a bunch of them here. ack! Happy Sunday... ~smilezz~

mtumwawaBwana -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 5:00:59 AM)
me?

Donnalee -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 9:21:26 AM)
I don't think I could stand the drama of a bratty sub....it's selfish and demanding...too much about them for my taste. I don't have anything to prove to anyone. But on the other hand, one Dom that I play with likes to play a little game of chase, capture and re-direct sometimes. But it his call when that happens, not mine...otherwize it would be the bad kind of bratty. I tried that once, and never will again. Ever. He'll give me verbal hints with evil grins...we'll have a little banter where I'm not addressing him properly....taking too long to answer....or giving indirect answers when I know what he's really wanting me to say, and the chase is on....that can be a fun little game.

Sinergy -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 10:08:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owned1 imho i would suggest there are varying thoughts on brats. There are those who see a brat as a negative name tag, someone who is disrespectful and does whatever they want whenever they want. For that type i often wonder why they are in this world, or perhaps they are simply in such huge need for attention it gives them what they need, who knows maybe that is their kink? The other type of brat is one who i would describe more as mischevious and playful yet knows where the line is and when to stop. This type i would think is not a negative unless this is not what the Dom/me wants. If that is the case then i would suggest the couple is not a good fit. just my two cents. Hello A/all, I would tend to agree with this definition. In order to alleviate any confusion in my own head, I generally view a submissive that is uppity at times, says things like "You havent butt raped me today" in an accusing tone, gets pouty until spanked, etc., to be a brat. This is the one I can say "Ya know, Im not in the mood for such behavior today" and she will cease and desist. This is the sort of person I would refer to as a "bratty submissive" and it would be a term of endearment. The other one is the one who is obnoxious in a way which seems intended to anger me. I find this frustrating. One who has the same problem or issue in life over and over and over and over again. One who messes up just so I will punish them, and then gets all ornery when I dont punish them in a way they want. Somebody who has emotional meltdowns which are impervious to being managed. That particular form of person is somebody I refer to as a "Drama Queen" or a SAM (Smart Assed Masochist) and I dont view that in a good way. Nothing wrong with it, per se, just doesnt work for me. Just me, could be wrong, etc. Sinergy

bklynbbw -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 10:11:38 AM)
I say I am a bit of a brat...in a playful teasing way. I love to tease, flirt and laugh. Never the stomp my foot, yell , scream to get my way brat. Wayyy too much drama and undermines the D/s dynamics.

fyrekittyn -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 7:30:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejlb hello a bratty submissive, is a fun loving, sub or slave, she like pushing the limits to see what she can get away with. She is also at times a Sam. take care and be safe slave jlb I like this defination. I consider myself a brat. I tell all Dommy types I'm a brat. I am not very submissive. My submission has to be earned through respect, caring, and trust. I like to earn my beatings. I am frequently known to cuss out and taunt Dommy types that have me tied up and are beating on my ass. It isn't disrespect, it is simply me. I won't play with a Dommy type that can't deal with the brattiness! I'll stomp my foot, try to get away, etc. I do it all with a smile on my face! If I can't have fun getting my ass beat, I don't want to get it beat on!

Bearlee -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 8:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: Level Good evening, irish [:D]. A bratty submissive, or "submissive", is one that does not behave in a way that is pleasing to the dominant, not due to lack of training, or effort, but due to lack of respect or concern for not only the dominant, but for the relationship, and perhaps for themselves. Mouthy....... fickle........ sloppy in manner..........melodramatic..... I love teasing and playing, and I don't think I'm some humorless jackass; but there is a line, and especially once that line has been clearly marked, fun can dissolve into brattiness fairly quickly. I'll second this. And yes the root cause is indeed selfishness. The brat is more concerned with themselves than with those around them. Their opinion, their ideas, their attitude, their desires, etc. all are more important to them than that of anyone else around them. And to really ruffle some feathers, they're not submissive, they're playing at it. Submission centers around the act of submitting to another's authority, and by its nature involves a degree of humility. It requires an awareness of and consideration for others. Brats, on the other hand, are more focused inward on their own desires rather than outward on how their actions affect others. They characteristically lack humility, lack consideration for how their actions affect others, they are often rude. And as can be seen in this thread, some brats even take pride in that lack of consideration for others. There's nothing submissive in that. Most brats I've encountered I can put in one of two categories. One is really just a Bottom looking for kinky thrills. A BDSM fetish bottom is not the same thing as a submissive. Now there's nothing wrong with being a Bottom, but you have some parading as submissives when in fact they aren't (and they'll quickly and rudely challenge you if you disagree with them). The second type wants to be "forced" into submission, these are also called SAMs, but they're really just another form of brat. They're still trying to get their own way on their terms alone. Their focus is not on pleasing the dominant, its on pleasing themselves, on getting their desires fed. In any case, I have no tolerance for a brat. A submissive is here to serve, if that isn't you... then you are not a submissive and why are you here. /quote] Here! Here!! I couldn't agree more... with both of you! It's like when I go to a nice restaurant...I don't want to experience children; loud children...especially those who run all over the restaurant. It drives me nuts! In the same vein...I expect submissives to behave in the manner they have chosen to follow...not some vanilla, high-school crap. Geeze, we are all over 21!

Sinergy -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 8:17:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaleModel If we go beyond our boundaries, we deserve to be punished, but most Dominants that I have met or corresponded with were willing to tolerate some level of "slack"......you just had to figure out what it was. Hello A/all, I take the general approach that I will tell my submissive what I find acceptable behavior-wise, and what I find reprehensible. Im not a big fan of emotional meltdowns. Im not her therapist. Im not here to teach her anger management. My rules are fairly simple, I am fairly easy going. Yet one thing that I learned at the martial art I have the most familiarity with is to be an iron fist in a velvet glove. I let them know up front that pushing my boundaries generally will have poor outcomes for them. Just me, etc. Sinergy

irishbynature -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 8:55:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smilezz Someone who does not get their way...pouts...whines...stomps their feet....etc. Pretty much one who feels the need to add drama to the mix. I will state that i have seen this type of behavior in a scene before, whole other animal, it's not the miss usa drama queen going for the brat of the year title. And ohhhhhhhh, there are a bunch of them here. ack! Happy Sunday... ~smilezz~ Hum...been known to pout and whine (in a playful way)........never stomp feet though...too much time for spend at Tara, perhaps? lol I think I'm half bratty but not fully a Brat. I could never be rude or insulting, or even selfish. [:D]

Noah -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/16/2006 10:10:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: irishbynature I'm sure this has been asked 1 billion times But, everyone who wishes (Dommes/Doms/Masters/Subs/slaves)....could you kindly post your own definition of what you think a "Bratty Submissive" is? I'm looking forward to the responses. Warmly, IBN(Irishbynature) A brattysub is like a liverwurst sub, except you use bratwurst. Brattiness to me just reads as immature attention-slut crap, and what's worse: unimaginative. It is as unattractive as poor manners, racism or hairy legs. I raised my children to never, ever whine. What is whining but a lazy attempt at manipulativeness? I know good people who include/allow these sorts of things. I'm not saying that brattiness is the moral equivalent of racism by any means, just that it is ugly enough to gut any sense of attraction I might have felt for a person before that behavior was displayed.

westside -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/17/2006 7:40:39 AM)
...One that gets a spanking...

CreativeDominant -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/17/2006 12:15:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: irishbynature I'm sure this has been asked 1 billion times But, everyone who wishes (Dommes/Doms/Masters/Subs/slaves)....could you kindly post your own definition of what you think a "Bratty Submissive" is? I'm looking forward to the responses. Warmly, IBN(Irishbynature) To me, a bratty submissive is one who is playful/mischievous/slightly misbehaving without being disrespectful AND one who knows where the line is and respects it AND who knows that when it happens every day or all the time on a day when they have chosen to engage it, it has crossed over into something that is NOT appealing. It is different than SAM behavior in that it is not being done to incur physical punishment or to invoke my physical "proof" of my dominance over them. It is also different from 'brat' behavior in that I don't consider a brat to be submissive at all in that all their behavior points to non-submission, despite their claims to the contrary and, when pointed out by the dominant they are serving, the claims of "not being dominant enough to handle it", "I have a right to express my own opinion and I did NOT do it rudely, you're wrong", etc. come out.

irishbynature -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/17/2006 12:25:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: irishbynature I'm sure this has been asked 1 billion times But, everyone who wishes (Dommes/Doms/Masters/Subs/slaves)....could you kindly post your own definition of what you think a "Bratty Submissive" is? I'm looking forward to the responses. Warmly, IBN(Irishbynature) To me, a bratty submissive is one who is playful/mischievous/slightly misbehaving without being disrespectful AND one who knows where the line is and respects it AND who knows that when it happens every day or all the time on a day when they have chosen to engage it, it has crossed over into something that is NOT appealing. It is different than SAM behavior in that it is not being done to incur physical punishment or to invoke my physical "proof" of my dominance over them. The first part of your definition does describe me...but my brattiness comes from a place of pure playfulness and the slight misbehaving is merely attention seeking I engage in but never out of disrespect. Smiles Master always puts me in line, partly because He understands my nature and He knows I crave a bit of correction just for good measure.[;)] Thanks! Irishbynature

juliaoceania -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/17/2006 2:03:47 PM)
fast reply, Being "bratty" was not encouraged by my former dominant even in a role playing way Being a playful brat is encouraged by my present Dom (in roleplay) and it is still new to me, and I am not used to it yet. I am hoping I get the hang of it! My definition used to be like many here, someone who was immature and spoiled.... My definition has recently changed to include both the role play "brat" and the spoilt "brat".

sweetestsub -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/17/2006 2:14:10 PM)
I think that it is truly amazing that with the amount of people who responded to this post that only one person found the positive term of brat. Everyone just automatically associated the word with child, which simply isn't so in a BDSM world. I've lost the refrence I once found that talks about brat subs, I will look for it and when I've found it again I shall post it here. I would hope there are a few more open minded people around before I read any other posts or I'm going to be sorely disappointed with this message board.

juliaoceania -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/17/2006 2:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sweetestsub I think that it is truly amazing that with the amount of people who responded to this post that only one person found the positive term of brat. Everyone just automatically associated the word with child, which simply isn't so in a BDSM world. I've lost the refrence I once found that talks about brat subs, I will look for it and when I've found it again I shall post it here. I would hope there are a few more open minded people around before I read any other posts or I'm going to be sorely disappointed with this message board. You didn't read the whole thread obviously... my Dom Sinergy posted about "good brats" On edit, a lot of people think of Daddy/girl relationships to be about age play too, and it isn't

ElectraGlide -> RE: What's your Definition of "Bratty Submissive?" (7/18/2006 12:38:59 AM)
Hi SweetestSub I had no problem with my bratty ex sub. It was fun role playing that I enjoyed being a part of. She would push me for that discipline that she enjoyed getting and I got to share in her heights of pleasure. When a man gets his woman as hot and horny as she can, you feel quite satisfied in a job well done. I think I just had a Springer Moment.

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