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are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 4:42:22 PM

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33074314

Edit only to make a title.

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Leaving a link requires a comment as well. I don't want to pull the thread. Help me out here?

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RE: . - 6/9/2015 4:50:50 PM

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are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks?

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i think you want to make a thread title too...

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RE: . - 6/9/2015 5:07:40 PM

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Well that's a loaded question. I don't believe they are. I do believe however that they're on one big power trip where they feel as though they can do anything and get away with it. Sort of "I am the law so bow to me bitch or die" mentality. There's still good cops. But they're being greatly overshadowed by the bad cops. My problem is they can kill someone and it seems to be no big deal. But let somebody kill one of them and there's such an outpouring of grief and sympathy. What makes their lives so much more important?

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RE: .Are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 5:14:44 PM

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I'll help out with the title.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 5:52:30 PM

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I think most of them are honestly trying to help people out. But like any other group there are going to be assholes too. And they are the ones there who take advantage of the gun and badge and the power it gives them.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 6:08:57 PM

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I think it very much depends on where this happens.

In general though I think the cops are freaked out. Out in California they would need to loose their driver's license.
Constant speeding without cause, no use of indicators. The whole "keep your hands on the wheel" nonsense.
Plus they have too many guns.

But, if you observe the behavior of low income blacks vs. white you see a difference and I don't think a violent one per se.
I am talking adult and not teens. Usually a lot louder, more common use of the F-word. Trashing the neighborhood more often.

Just drive to any given Fast Food place and take a few hours to observe what flies out of the window and who has the boom box on full blast.
Both is against the law.

Naturally that may disturb the largely middle class and white police force.

Plus of course, it is to me the whole rap scene that just screws things up.

I personally don't really have an issue with most blacks once I get to know them. I do think there is a category of race far worse than them in America.
But also in a very different way.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 6:14:02 PM

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No, it happens just as much against every race. We are currently in a court battle against the city for wrongful arrest. A black guy held a gun to my owners head and told him to give him 200 dollars or they would tow his car, he said no to the extortion and the guy turned out to be an unmarked security guard called the cops and they arrested my ownerfor resisting a car jacking... under a charge of assult with a deadly weapon even though it wasnt him with the gun.

Cops will do what they think they can get away with because they think they are in the right, everyone is on the bad end of that, except the rich... then you can murder and get community service. Because our defense system depends on how much money you can pay good laywers, prosecuters only bother going after people they dont think have the means to defend themselves.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 6:20:00 PM

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True statement,

but that is called corruption.

I think that's a whole different ball game and doesn't only involve the police,
though the consequences may be a bit more dire.

But in order to elaborate, I would hi-jack the subject and turn to a different one, thus I let it be.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 6:22:17 PM

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33074314

I don't think the cop in that article is mentally stable.. while he didn't kill anyone in this incident, its obvious he cant handle the stress of being a cop, imo..

The worst case I have heard of (so far) is this one here, this couple were chased by the cops (60 cop vehicles) cuz it was reported that there was gun fire from their vehicle, which it turns out could have just been the car backfiring.. so the cops chased them down and shot 137 bullets at them, one of the cops fired 49 times.. Look at the pic of the freakin' windshield (whats left of it).. there were 2 dozen bullets in each of them..

"A Cleveland police officer who stood on the hood of a car and fired his gun 49 times through the windshield at two unarmed passengers was on Saturday found not guilty on two counts of voluntary manslaughter."

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/23/cleveland-officer-not-guilty-shot-137-times-police

"Cleveland police officials said Friday they're disciplining 75 of officers for their involvement in a police chase that ended in the shooting deaths of an unarmed man and woman, The Plain Dealer reports.

The pair were shot at 137 times while in their car, parked in a middle school parking lot."

http://www.businessinsider.com/cleveland-police-disciplined-in-deadly-chase-2013-8

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RE: . - 6/9/2015 6:27:18 PM

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Well that's a loaded question. I don't believe they are. I do believe however that they're on one big power trip where they feel as though they can do anything and get away with it. Sort of "I am the law so bow to me bitch or die" mentality. There's still good cops. But they're being greatly overshadowed by the bad cops. My problem is they can kill someone and it seems to be no big deal. But let somebody kill one of them and there's such an outpouring of grief and sympathy. What makes their lives so much more important?

Have you been paying any attention? Even when the cops are fully justified there are protests, rioting, and the DOJ comes in to "fix" the department, often meaning the same thing it does with a dog or cat. Where are the cops lives matter t-shirts. Where are the people blaming every black any time a cop is murdered? Where is anything like the Philly guy who shot a cop in the back of the head and has been invited to speak on his innocence at college graduations. Virtually every person killed by a cop is committing a felony and attacking the cop so yes, their lives are worth less than the cops, or yours, or mine.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 6:29:16 PM

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Guess they were hunting Bonny and Clyde again.

The guys need to be thrown out of the force.

Seriously, those are mentally challenged nut cases that have no business in being in service (that is part of their job description) and to protect lives and property (that one too).

On that note, the whole "tough on crime" BS got us there. I seriously don't want to know how many of those things are true misunderstandings and trigger happy cops just went out on a hunt. Never mind that they actually need to reload the guns.

The problem with the juries is somewhat scary.

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RE: . - 6/9/2015 6:32:39 PM

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Well that's a loaded question. I don't believe they are. I do believe however that they're on one big power trip where they feel as though they can do anything and get away with it. Sort of "I am the law so bow to me bitch or die" mentality. There's still good cops. But they're being greatly overshadowed by the bad cops. My problem is they can kill someone and it seems to be no big deal. But let somebody kill one of them and there's such an outpouring of grief and sympathy. What makes their lives so much more important?

No, the cops I have known, and I have spent most of my 64 years around them, did not have that attitude. The vast majority are good people many being what would be considered heroes by any objective standard. The problem is that bad cops make better headlines than good cops. Accusations, no matter how ridiculous, gets so much attention that by the time the truth comes out too many have decided the cop is a racist monster.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 6:35:24 PM

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In general though I think the cops are freaked out. Out in California they would need to loose their driver's license.
Constant speeding without cause, no use of indicators. The whole "keep your hands on the wheel" nonsense.
Plus they have too many guns.

No cause that you know about.
Right, I want an unarmed cop between me and a would be killer.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 7:25:43 PM

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I think blacks need to give the same respect they are always demanding. In almost every one of these incidents over the last year the blacks involved were disrespectful and refused to cooperate and forced police officers to respond with force. Then protest the outcomes.

In Ferguson...If the boy did not attack the officer and try to get his gun he would be alive today.

In New York... if the man had not resisted arrest he would be alive today.

In S Carolina if the man had not run and when caught struggle with the taser he would be alive today.

In the latest incident in Texas... if the teens had reacted with respect and followed instructions their would not have been the altercation.

I am not saying the responses of these officers were correct... they certainly were not... but in most every incident they had no choice but to respond with force.

There is a problem with violence and disrespect for the law in many black communities that is NOT the fault of the local police forces. The fault lies within and must be addressed their before blame is placed elsewhere.

Four more black men and women shot and killed in ST. Louis TODAY...now for this year 78 black men and woman killed by black men and women...how the hell is this anyone's fault but the black community itself... NOT the police department.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/9/2015 10:52:48 PM

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Four more black men and women shot and killed in ST. Louis TODAY...now for this year 78 black men and woman killed by black men and women...how the hell is this anyone's fault but the black community itself... NOT the police department.

Butch

Hold on there, Butch...that's all due to the oppression of whites and their privileged lives who...due to their overwhelming wealth, gained on an ill-gotten manner...suddenly appeared in the perpetrators' brains. This delusion led them to...rightfully...target the object of their...well-deserved...wrath. It wasn't til the killing was a done that they realized...horrified...that they'd targeted other trod-upon individuals of the SAME color.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/10/2015 5:41:03 AM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/07/texas-pool-party_n_7530502.html

Is it the cops fault or the fault of the white people that started the incident and should have been taken away as well. I know I would fear for my life is surrounded by a bunch of angry people who were hostile toward me and would probably pull my gun.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/10/2015 5:51:23 AM

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We have had similar problems with the police here, especially when it comes to relations between the police and Aborigines and other minority groups.

The police have a dual role. On one hand they are required to enforce the law. OTOH they are supposed to be peace officers, they are also tasked with keeping the peace.

At this distance, it appears that there is an unresolved conflict of interest between these twin roles in some sections of the US police.

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RE: are american cops on a witch hunt against blacks? - 6/10/2015 6:44:36 AM

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We have had similar problems with the police here, especially when it comes to relations between the police and Aborigines and other minority groups.

The police have a dual role. On one hand they are required to enforce the law. OTOH they are supposed to be peace officers, they are also tasked with keeping the peace.

At this distance, it appears that there is an unresolved conflict of interest between these twin roles in some sections of the US police.

Distance and filtered through sources that put cops in the worst possible light.

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