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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/25/2015 4:30:22 PM   
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I am stumped. My Master has a shoe fetish and while I do understand it and what not, I feel as if I am not wearing something slutty or a pair of heels he doesn't find me attractive at all. I have tried to be more suductive but I just feel weird and awkward. I don't see myself as a sexy person and I don't know how to act as one either. Sometimes I feel like he should see me as attractive in t-shirts and shorts and sandles as much as he does in heels and skimpy clothes. I have asked about this and we end up in the same conversation of me trying harder. He says that I should be begging. It's just the more I try and get shot down the more I just give up and feel worse about me and my body. This effects our sex life gravely. He wants me to try more and I just don't feel comfortable doing so anymore. So, I guess my question is how can I fix this. I don't want to lose him but what more can I really do if he just isn't into me. Sometimes it feels like he is more attracted to the clothes on me then the real me. I don't know what to do anymore.

Of course you know what to do. You just don't want to do it.

When you do, you'll move on, find someone better suited, and live happily ever after.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/25/2015 4:48:43 PM   
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So your comment is idiotic and insulting because you're taking someone's unrelated relationship problem and turning it into an attack on her weight.

It's uncalled for.


I don't know that we have the same definition of the word "attack".

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/25/2015 4:52:41 PM   
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I don't know that we have the same definition of the word "attack".


I wonder if my definition of the word attack would match either. Why don't we just let it stop right here and call it good? The weight thing wasn't very nice, not a major offence, but a disagreement could bring the snark factor up a few levels. Let's just say no please.

Thank you

My electric went out and I couldn't get back to properly edit this. Late, but done.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/26/2015 11:19:32 AM   
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Offense is something taken rather than given.

I don't claim nearly the insight into the OP's mind or past as some of the other posters, but I'd guess a circle-twerking validation session talking about shoes is precisely what she was not looking for when she posted this under "Ask a Master".

The slightest suggestion by other submissive or enslaved women on here that the OP has work to do is cut down as a "slavier-than-thou" admonition and my wanting to inject another point of view around one's overall sexual market value, and what might be done to change it is enough to bring in a moderator.

I thought Americans were made of sterner stuff.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/26/2015 12:20:43 PM   
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You haven't lived here long, have you.

Move on. Life is short, and better lived than this.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/26/2015 1:31:23 PM   
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Offense is something taken rather than given.

I don't claim nearly the insight into the OP's mind or past as some of the other posters, but I'd guess a circle-twerking validation session talking about shoes is precisely what she was not looking for when she posted this under "Ask a Master".

The slightest suggestion by other submissive or enslaved women on here that the OP has work to do is cut down as a "slavier-than-thou" admonition and my wanting to inject another point of view around one's overall sexual market value, and what might be done to change it is enough to bring in a moderator.

I thought Americans were made of sterner stuff.


The OP didn't ask for your evaluation of her market value. Now, cool it.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/27/2015 8:34:25 AM   
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Oh dear. Here I am cheering America today (a deity I don't believe in knows this happens fairly rarely....hardly known for liberal political values over there cousins) and then I read this thread.

"Market Value" I honestly don't know where to begin. Fuck off and die to the person who wrote that seems like a decent place to start.

Dear OP: I am sorry this is happening to you. I think there are some very solid responses (mostly from ladies) above. I think that true fetishism is near-incomprehensible thing to most women (and thus a rare thing to find in a female) and therefore I'm not surprised you are struggling.

Your kinks have to be compatible, don't they? Be you slave, kinkster, sub or lord high heel-owner Imelda Marcos Mk #2, this is true. If you feel horrible doing the things that he needs to get off, then this isn't working for you. If you don't do them, it isn't working for him. This is the very definition of sexual incompatibility.

As I see it you have a number of options, given that you have stated that you love each other:
- discuss this. I mean REALLY discuss this. Pick at all the warts (apologies for grossness but I doubt it would be pretty). Be open about your body issues and how his fetish makes you feel. Listen to the response. Is there a way forward?
- play with other people and allow him to feed that need elsewhere
- redefine your relationship. Maybe as a friendship/companionship.
- go your separate ways

He needs what he needs and you react viscerally to that. No amount of forcing yourself is going to turn you into someone who doesn't. That doesn't make you a bad sub/slave, or indeed an inferior partner. Not one bit.

Be well lady and all best x

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/27/2015 10:52:36 PM   
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Agreed. And of course, the person that brought up "market value" to diminish the OP's feelings probably feels that the less attractive a woman is, to his mind, the more she should be grateful for attention.

I went to a comedy club last week and the male comic said "guys, if you want a happy life, marry a 2 not a 9, because that way you'll keep her insecure about losing you and you don't need those pesky talks women want."

Not funny then, not funny now.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/28/2015 1:53:53 PM   
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Market Value?!

Ugh fuck.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/28/2015 4:08:36 PM   
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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/28/2015 5:40:18 PM   
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There are still some countries we can trade them for livestock.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/28/2015 5:50:37 PM   
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There are still some countries we can trade them for livestock.


That explains why some "doms" on the other side bill themselves as pig farmers

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/29/2015 8:15:08 PM   
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So for all of you who said weight was the issue...way to it the pin on the head. My Dom pretty much told me when I become skinny is when he becomes more attracted to you. I cried for hours about this. When I tried to talk to him about it he pretty much made me feel even worse. Then he says I don't see why you are surprised. With the world we live in today the skinnier you are the better you look. Then he says I don't see what the big deals is anyways you are getting skinny for me. What am I suppose to say to that? How do I respond to thAt. He is right. The skinnier you are nowadays the more attractive people see you. I can see now that no one will accept me for the person I am right now and that's hurts me deeply.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/29/2015 9:35:44 PM   
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Stop right there.

You're young. Please stop projecting in a way that disrespects you and accepts his take on this and don't apply what he says to your future or anyone else. Do you know that there are men that love a bigger woman? Genuine men, healthy men, that want a girl with some padding. They love it.

Not all are emotional cavemen with a fetish, but I spoke to one not long ago and he would have had no interest in me unless I gained weight! This goes both ways with a fetish. That is a man that often objectifies women based on his sexual preference and if he found a woman that would suit him in every other way, couldn't see how he could be happy without his fetish. That's an emotional fool the way I think of things. Someone that cannot see a person standing before them, ready to be all they can be for them if they accept them for who they are and then blames them for his lack? We all have our preferences, but, if we can only get turned on by one thing, we miss out on a lot of things, in any society.

So what he is saying is that you are too big for him and you must change yourself. Until then he expects you to do all the emotional work, all the physical work because he has a dick failure to launch.

Wake up sister. Stop allowing him to hurt you. If you continue your self esteem, what there is of it, will soon blow away in the wind and you will be standing there with a dick blaming you for his own fetish and not being able to be it. If he is all that, what is he doing with you in the first place? He is a mean man justifying his fetish and blaming your weight and not begging for his attentions that he has already told you are lacking. You are self harming by being with him. Your self talk contributes to his emotional sadism which is doing you harm.

There are men that can love you for who you are.

Get healthy mentally, emotionally and physically.

If you help him beat you down, you will become damaged and could risk being afraid of gaining an ounce. You will stress which makes you unhealthy in many ways and will lower your life expectancy. You must take this seriously. This is not up to him. This is up to you. Where is your mother? Your father? Someone that loves you for you?

When you crash and burn from a sad punk that allows himself to do emotional harm to a young woman, it feels like hell, but you come up out of the ashes and if you face yourself in the mirror and love yourself simply because you are, you will come up a stronger woman ready to truly love and expect it in return. You are worth more than you are getting. You are the only one that can save you. Get through this life lesson and learn to love yourself, then expect it or reject it.

Good luck.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/30/2015 2:10:30 AM   
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^^Amen to that.

Without wishing to sound patronising in the slightest, you are very young. The societal pressure to be perfect weighs heaviest on the young. I spent my twenties starving myself and it was utterly miserable. Then I watched those skinny friends I was so jealous of pay thousands in the pursuit of a rock hard version of boobs like mine. Now most of my friends have had children and nobody's perfect and there is huge freedom to be found in embracing that. We are all still beautiful, just a little more lived-in. These days, I find food to be one of my greatest pleasures and I have very definitely learned to love my ass. Your peak (emotionally, sexually and physically) lies ahead of you. Things WILL get easier, but you do need to accept yourself.

As MiaCastle put so well, you will only be able to do that once you cast aside sabotaging influences. This man sounds like one (to put it mildly, I wholeheartedly agree that this is emotionally abusive). How old is he? Because he sounds about 15.

Real men don't get involved with someone they are not attracted to, then spend their time breaking her by explaining how this is her fault. That is him self-aggrandising at your expense: elevating himself and his ego to a place where, having got you, he can look down upon you as not good enough for him. Don't play that game.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/30/2015 9:27:57 AM   
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My Dom pretty much told me when I become skinny is when he becomes more attracted to you.



Yes, people are attracted to things. If they're attracted to things, the more you are of that thing, the more they are attracted to you.
These things may be physical things such as hair color, height, weight, race, muscular level, fitness level. Or they may be character traits such as humor, mental stability, emotional range, self-confidence. Or they may be attributes such as financial wealth, social status, academic status.

If you are lacking in some of the things your Dom is attracted to, he will be less attracted to you as a human being. Especially sexually.
If you become more of the things he's attracted to, he will become more sexually attracted to you.

That... is merely how we are all biologically programmed to react. He is not a villain because of what he happens to be sexually attracted to, just like you aren't either because of the things that sexually attract you in him.

Now the fact that he happens to be hung up on your weigh tends to be a social construct and telling off the times we live in. Just like in Mauritania heavy women are considered more attractive because they show off wealth, and so women there force-feeed themselves (or are force-fed by their mothers) to become as heavy as possible. But that still doesn't make him a bad person just because he likes what he likes, especially if he's been clear to you from the beginning that he'd like you to loose weight. Having sexually preferences is just a normal part of being human.

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I can see now that no one will accept me for the person I am right now and that's hurts me deeply.


Now this is pertinently not true.

First of all, just because a person -any person- isn't sexually attracted to you doesn't mean that they do not accept your for the person you are.
There's hundreds of people of either gender I'm not sexually attracted to and whom I still know well enough to fully accept them for the beautiful people they are.

Secondly, it's not true that just because your current Dom isn't optimally sexually attracted to you because you lack things that stimulate him that this means that all men would feel the same. Like I said, in Mauritania men prefer their women even heavier than you are now.
In the local club where I play a lot there's a Dom who doesn't play with women unless they are at least your weight or over. He wouldn't look twice at a chick like me because I don't ring his bell.

Likewise there are men out there who don't have "weight" as part of the thing that sexually stimulates them at all. Those men are not going to care whether you're skinny or heavier, because the thing that attracts them is something else. Although, even with those men, there is going to be some thing that attracts them, so likewise if you don't have enough of that, they won't be into you either, even though they don't care about your weight.

If it's important to you to be with somebody who is sexually attracted to you as you are today, you need to leave the guy you're with.
Then, sit down and make a list of the things you feel the need to be sexually attractive for, or despite of, or regardless of. There's a difference between being with a guy who doesn't care about your weight, and one who wants you because of it (whether it's because you're big or small in his eyes). Figure out what you need to be liked for, and find somebody who likes you for those things.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/30/2015 9:43:24 AM   
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HAS he been clear since the beginning? WHY is he with her if he isn't attracted to her? THAT is, in my opinion, what makes him the villain here.
Its fine to like skinny people, sure. But its NOT fine to lead someone on and be a dick about it.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/30/2015 10:18:10 AM   
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So for all of you who said weight was the issue...way to it the pin on the head. My Dom pretty much told me when I become skinny is when he becomes more attracted to you. I cried for hours about this. When I tried to talk to him about it he pretty much made me feel even worse. Then he says I don't see why you are surprised. With the world we live in today the skinnier you are the better you look. Then he says I don't see what the big deals is anyways you are getting skinny for me. What am I suppose to say to that? How do I respond to thAt. He is right. The skinnier you are nowadays the more attractive people see you. I can see now that no one will accept me for the person I am right now and that's hurts me deeply.



The most hurtful thing *anyone* has ever said to me was when my prior partner told me that he "never thought he'd be in a relationship with someone who looked like me". When I heard that, I'm sure my head did one of those cartoon "whaaaaa" spins.

My honest first reaction? It was to ask him "what then does that say about you?". I didn't, but damn straight we had a long talk about it.

His comment was focused mainly on my chest size, but it could have been about anything, physical or otherwise.

I believe that there is some serious truth to what Eleanor Roosevelt said-- "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent". Of course you can have plenty of people saying that your last sentence there is completely wrong (and I would be one of them), but until *you* realize that you are putting unnecessary power into his words, or the "words of society", nothing is going to change. It may be an issue of your weight now, but what is it going to be tomorrow, or next year? You have, in a very real way, *consented* to feel like shit about this. You have given power where, IMO, it should certainly not be given.

How do you respond to what he said? You call bullshit on it. I know, way easier said than done, but until you stand up for yourself, and not *allow* these words to hurt you deeply, nothing is going to change.

I am *not* saying that this is what is going on in your particular relationship, but I thought I would mention it, just in a general sense. Weight is an incredibly easy thing to pick on. Sensitivities run high a lot of times, and it can become a way to control others in an unhealthy way. I've seen this for as long as I can remember with a dear friend of our family. She's not happy in the relationship, and even when I was much younger and didn't have experience in my own relationships, it was simply obvious to me. My parents and their other friends have asked her about it, with general concern. Her response? "I'm a fat old lady, who else would want me?". So in this relationship she stays. There's control in a good way, and there's control in a not-so-good way. It's up to us to decide what we want to accept and tolerate.

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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/30/2015 10:22:51 AM   
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HAS he been clear since the beginning? WHY is he with her if he isn't attracted to her? THAT is, in my opinion, what makes him the villain here.
Its fine to like skinny people, sure. But its NOT fine to lead someone on and be a dick about it.



I have no idea if he's been clear or not.
I suspect you're right and he's been an absolute utter and complete dickwad about the whole thing. I don't have enough information to say for sure, but from the OPs tone, I get the impression that he's been very dishonest with her for a long time.

That being said though... I think we're in agreement that it would be his presumed behavior, not his preference for skinnier chicks that makes him a villain.

AND... I don't believe that it's currently in the OPs best interest to be told that it's not cool for him (or any other person) to have the sexual preferences they do, because it makes it all the more likely that she'll again embark on a relationship with a dude who's not into her, expecting/waiting for him to change.




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RE: Attraction issues???? Please help!!! - 6/30/2015 1:33:25 PM   
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Did someone say that his sexual preference wasn't alright?

What she tells us of his behavior is what is damaging. To look at this as a sexual preference, could mean that we look the other way when there truly is at least emotional abuse according to what she has said. She feels hurt by his continued actions and because of love, maybe guilt, insecurity, etc. is repeatedly being hurt. Many young women go through guys or a love like that. You know its wrong and yet you cannot make that break that needs to be made until it hurts too much to stay and possibly harm has been done that will be challenging to get through.

I have mentioned fetish. Fetish that comes before people and their well-being isn't alright with me. His fetish is hurting her along with his treatment of her. He stays with her, claiming to love her and picks at the very core of her being. That is not okay. That is not bdsm, consensual or acceptable.



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