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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/5/2018 5:53:42 PM   
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I don't mind an independent investigation on Hillary's email server, or an investigation into the investigations that have already been done.

But, Trump's had a year to do something about it already. If he believed there was anything to be found, the investigations would have started on his inauguration day.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/5/2018 11:07:24 PM   
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https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/clinton-conflict-of-interest/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=press%20release

1017 Pages (see bottom of release) on 200 documents related to JW look into conflicts of interest for Hillary



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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 2:52:22 AM   
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its impossible for the average person to keep tabs on all this stuff, but some of the highlights from the article:

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Judicial Watch announced today the release of more than 200 conflict-of-interest reviews by State Department ethics advisers of proposed Bill Clinton speaking and consulting engagements during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state. The documents were obtained as result of a federal court order in a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed against the State Department on May 28, 2013 (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:13-cv-00772)). The lawsuit is ongoing....

Mr. Clinton’s office proposed 215 speeches around the globe. And 215 times, the State Department stated that it had “no objection.”...

These documents are a bombshell and show how the Clintons turned the State Department into a racket to line their own pockets,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “How the Obama State Department waived hundreds of ethical conflicts that allowed the Clintons and their businesses to accept money from foreign entities and corporations seeking influence boggles the mind. That former President Clinton trotted the globe collecting huge speaking fees while his wife presided over U.S. foreign policy is an outrage. No wonder it took a court order to get these documents. One can’t imagine what foreign policy issues were mishandled as top State Department officials spent so much time facilitating the Clinton money machine.”...

The Washington Examiner published a report today on the documents by Judicial Watch Chief Investigative Reporter Micah Morrison and Examiner Senior Watchdog Reporter Luke Rosiak. Morrison and Rosiak note that Mr. Clinton “earned $48 million while his wife presided over U.S. foreign policy, raising questions about whether the Clintons fulfilled ethics agreements related to the Clinton Foundation during Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State.”...

The potential for conflicts of interest between Hillary Clinton’s role as Secretary of State and Bill Clinton’s international ventures grew increasingly controversial in late 2008 when the former president released a list of donors to his library and foundation in what he termed “a deal between” Obama “and Hillary.” According to an AP wire story, “Saudi Arabia gave $10 million to $25 million to the foundation. Other government donors include Norway, Kuwait, Qatar, Brunei, Oman …” CNN at the time warned that Clinton’s “complicated global business interests could present future conflicts of interest that result in unneeded headaches for the incoming commander-in-chief.”...

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 3:53:41 AM   
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Judicial Watch sounds like a nice non-partisan responsible organisation acting in the public interest. However is this really so? Wiki describes Judicial Watch thus:
"Judicial Watch is an American conservative non-partisan[1] watchdog group that files Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits to investigate alleged misconduct by government officials.[2]

Founded in 1994, it has primarily investigated Democrats, in particular the Clinton administration, Obama administration and Hillary Clinton. It has also filed lawsuits against government climate scientists; Judicial Watch has described climate science as "fraud science". The group has made numerous false and unsubstantiated claims, which have been picked up by right-wing news outlets. Most of its lawsuits have been dismissed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch

Rather than a non-partisan responsible organisation fearlessly acting in the public interest exposing judicial scams, JW comes across a bunch of right wing cranks engaged in a dogged obsessive pursuit of the Clintons and Obama for alleged conflict of interest matters that have to date, proved to be completely 100% illusory. Not exactly an authoritative independent voice, nor could it be said to have a track record of success in any area, other than the production of fake news and bogus doomed-to-failure law suits.

Even if we discount the obvious bias in the JW report, they still fail to land a glove on either the Clintons or Obama. They claim the DOJ's clearing Clinton's speeches is a "bombshell" when in fact the DOJ apparently found that there was no conflict of interest and therefore nothing to worry about at all. Indeed, there is no evidence nor any specified claim of wrongdoing from JW in your entire post - just a lot of waffle and hot air that at very best raises "potential" COI issues in the "future", if the rules aren't followed. But the DOJ makes it clear that the rules are being followed .... so in the end nothing, nothing at all ... apart from standard right wing huffing and puffing while tilting at windmills.

If you find such flimsy partisan doggerel persuasive, then you need to conduct a thorough examination of your own critical and analytic skills. Clearly they are failing you and in urgent need of drastic improvement.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 5:53:16 AM   
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Great deal of probing going on down there in the congress.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 7:20:03 AM   
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oh no mnottertroll, townhall!!

"Revealed: Multiple References to Potential Crimes Deleted From Early Drafts of Comey's Hillary Email Scandal Memo"

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First, a few thoughts on the DOJ's reported interest in taking another look at Hillary Clinton's protocol-violating and national security-compromising email server, a scandal about which she lied repeatedly: (1) I'd be a bit surprised if DOJ ends up pursuing charges, as that ship likely sailed when James Comey (wrongly, in my view) chose not to recommend prosecution in July 2016. (2) I'm somewhat uncomfortable seeing the supposedly-independent Justice Department clearly bowing to incessant political pressure from the president on this subject. It's true that President Obama telegraphed his preferred outcome while the FBI was probing the matter during the election, and that Attorney General Lynch severely harmed the integrity of the process with her infamous tarmac meeting and subsequent actions. But conservatives rightly decried undue partisan influence in those cases. Would Justice be re-examining this case if Trump weren't pounding away at it on social media? (3) Nevertheless, there are multiple questions that still need to be adequately answered regarding how nobody in Mrs. Clinton's orbit was ever held responsible for the grossly negligent scheme she erected for the purposes of avoiding public scrutiny of work-related and exceedingly sensitive emails, some of which the permanently deleted under false pretenses. One of those questions involves this memo:

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Ex-FBI Director James Comey’s original statement closing out the probe into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server was edited by subordinates to remove five separate references to terms like “grossly negligent” and to delete mention of evidence supporting felony and misdemeanor violations, according to copies of the full document. Comey also originally concluded that it was “reasonably likely” that Clinton’s nonsecure private server was accessed or hacked by hostile actors though there was no evidence to prove it. But that passage was also changed to the much weaker “possible,” the memos show...The full draft, with edits, leaves little doubt that Comey originally wrote on May 2, 2016 that there was evidence that Clinton and top aides may have violated both felony and misdemeanor statutes, though he did not believe he could prove intent before a jury.

“Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statute proscribing gross negligence in the handling of classified information and of the statute proscribing misdemeanor mishandling, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey originally penned. That passage, however, was edited to remove the references to “gross negligence” and “misdemeanor mishandling,” leaving a much more generic reference to “potential violations of the statutes.” The FBI has told Congress the edits were made by subordinates to Comey and then accepted by the then-director before he made his final announcement July 5, 2016 that he would not pursue criminal charges against Clinton.


The "intent" excuse has always been a red herring, but what about this watered-down language? We know that one of the agents who softened Comey's verbiage was an anti-Trump figure who has since been booted from Robert Mueller's team. Were these changes made to spare Hillary more political problems than she'd already earned? And why was the memo even drafted before key FBI interviews ever took place (more below), including with Hillary herself? Comey should testify under oath again and address these inquiries in detail. And then there's the issue of bizarre offers of immunity and elaborate and unusual evidentiary arrangements seemingly designed -- as former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy has written -- for the Justice Department to un-make a case against Mrs. Clinton. We've watched as Robert Mueller has slapped lower-level Trumpworld figures with charges such as lying to the FBI, presumably in exchange for cooperation in snagging superiors. This is how cases are methodically built, with an eye toward the people at the very top. But in Hillary's case, the people around her were preemptively spared, with the DOJ voluntarily relinquishing leverage from the outset. Here's a partial summary of "irregularities" assembled by National Review, followed by a new and related development:

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Everything that has happened in the Trump probe stands out against a backdrop of leniency in the Clinton investigation. While Mueller has prosecuted two Trump associates for lying to the FBI, the Obama Justice Department gave a pass to Mrs. Clinton and her subordinates, who gave the FBI misinformation about such key matters as whether Clinton understood markings in classified documents and whether her aides knew about her homebrew server system during their State Department service...The irregularities in the Clinton-emails investigation are breathtaking: the failure to use the grand jury to compel the production of key physical evidence; the Justice Department’s collaboration with defense lawyers to restrict the FBI’s ability to pursue obvious lines of inquiry and examine digital evidence; immunity grants to suspects who should have been charged with crimes and pressured to cooperate; allowing subjects of the investigation to be present for each other’s FBI interviews and even to act as lawyers for Clinton, in violation of legal and ethical rules; Comey’s preparation of a statement exonerating Clinton months before the investigation was complete and key witnesses — including Clinton herself — were interviewed; and the shameful tarmac meeting between Obama attorney general Loretta Lynch and Mrs. Clinton’s husband just days before Mrs. Clinton sat for a perfunctory FBI interview (after which Comey announced the decision not to charge her).



Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills both gave false statements to the FBI about their knowledge of the "homebrew" server. Rather than having the specter of prosecution hung over their heads, they were granted sweeping and generous immunity deals, under which they protected themselves and their boss. And they weren't the only ones:

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A computer technician who deleted Clinton emails from her server in March 2015 after a congressional subpoena had been issued for them, originally lied to the FBI during his interviews, memos show. The witness’s name was redacted from documents released by the FBI but he was identified as an employee of a computer firm that helped maintained Clinton’s email server. His admission of false statements came one day after the Comey statement was already being drafted, investigators told The Hill. The computer employee originally told the FBI in a February 2016 interview that he did not recall making any deletions from Clinton’s server in March 2015, FBI records show. But then on May 3, 2016, the same employee in a subsequent FBI interview told agents he had an “oh shit moment” and in late March 2015 deleted Clinton’s email archive from the server, according to FBI documents reviewed by The Hill...the FBI decided not to pursue criminal charges against the witness, and instead gave the technician an immunity deal so he could correct his story, congressional investigators said.


This tech's name may have been redacted from the memos, but we've been aware of his "oh sh*t" moment for some time. Clinton's team started permanently eliminating evidence (which was under Congressional subpoena) after the New York Times publicly reported the existence of her private server. But unless I'm mistaken, this is the first we've heard about the "oh sh*t" guy having originally lied to the FBI about it. John Sexton notes the importance of the timeline here: "That line in bold is significant because it suggests that even as the FBI gained leverage against one of the minor players in the drama the higher-ups had already started writing Hillary’s exoneration." That does seem quite curious, doesn't it? And as Sexton writes, so does this:

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Lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee who attended a Dec. 21 closed-door briefing by FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe say the bureau official confirmed that the investigation and charging decisions were controlled by a small group in Washington headquarters rather the normal process of allowing field offices to investigate possible criminality in their localities. The Clinton email server in question was based in New York. In normal FBI cases, field offices where crimes are believed to have been committed investigate the evidence and then recommend to bureau hierarchy whether to pursue charges with prosecutors. In this case, the bureau hierarchy controlled both the investigation and the charging decision from Washington, a scenario known in FBI parlance as a “special,” the lawmakers said.


Granted, an active investigation into a major party presidential candiate is an unusual circumstance, which would obviously be treated as "special," considering all of the potential implications. Just like subordinates altering the severity of the language in Comey's memo isn't necessarily incriminating or shocking unto itself, this detail isn't an instant game changer either. But the oddities and questions have added up over time, especially when juxtaposed with the Russia probe. One can demand clarity and transparency on these fronts without trashing the FBI, impugning Mueller, or even obliquely defending Trump. I'll leave you with this strange expression of misplaced frustration:

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Nate Silver
✔ @NateSilver538
Gotta be honest: On a night like tonight, I'm still pretty pissed at those journalists and news organizations which treated Hillary Clinton's email server as a matter of apocalyptic importance.
8:42 PM - Jan 2, 2018


She merely compromised national security by exposing top secret information to hostile government hackers, all in order to shield her work-related emails (perhaps including foundation-related dealings) from public scrutiny -- then lied about it endlessly. What an outrage that some journalists took that pattern of conduct very seriously.


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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 8:10:43 AM   
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Comrade Dogshitski,

Dun be stopid ijiot.

Actual facts, or it didn't happen, and you got absolutely none. FBI and congress has disagreed with you.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 10:39:13 AM   
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oh no mnottertroll, townhall!!

"Revealed: Multiple References to Potential Crimes Deleted From Early Drafts of Comey's Hillary Email Scandal Memo"



...Yet Jim Comey was outraged (OUTRAGED!!!) when the president pointed out that the FBI had fallen into ill repute under Jim's sloppy and unprofessional tenure

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 12:33:44 PM   
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yes, and its enjoyable to ignore mnottertroll too isn't it?

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 1:20:48 PM   
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oh no mnottertroll, townhall!!

"Revealed: Multiple References to Potential Crimes Deleted From Early Drafts of Comey's Hillary Email Scandal Memo"



...Yet Jim Comey was outraged (OUTRAGED!!!) when the president pointed out that the FBI had fallen into ill repute under Jim's sloppy and unprofessional tenure



As he should be, as the FBI maintained the highest of integrity and standards, under the leadership of the universally liked and respected, Jim Comey. Although personally, I do fault Comey for giving in to pressure from Loretta Lynch and greatly watering down Hilary's email server use as careless and reckless, rather than criminal, which it certainly was.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 2:10:46 PM   
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I see the imbecilic demented rightists are gathering for a conspiracy and motel weekend, be careful Trump doesnt pull a night of the long knives on you moronic pantshitters.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 4:04:21 PM   
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I see the imbecilic demented rightists are gathering for a conspiracy and motel weekend, be careful Trump doesnt pull a night of the long knives on you moronic pantshitters.

This is the best from the finest mind on the left. A mind so valid that when it was kicked off this site it had nothing else to do so had to come back as a sock. The finest the left has to offer.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 5:00:33 PM   
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can we somehow work the phrase "meaningless gobbledygook" in there too?

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 5:04:11 PM   
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Artie, you poor ignorant slob, and mental defective, I know you want to go to the motel with the rest of the girls, Nancy, but as LTE, Star and some other kind of Star and Nancy as well, the voices in your head are too many for your feebleminded factless "friends" to fit in the short bus.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 6:24:21 PM   
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Artie, you poor ignorant slob, and mental defective, I know you want to go to the motel with the rest of the girls, Nancy, but as LTE, Star and some other kind of Star and Nancy as well, the voices in your head are too many for your feebleminded factless "friends" to fit in the short bus.

It's so funny watching you mental patient. Just to know that all your little lefty friends are watching and counting on your brilliance. And the interesting thing that makes it even funnier is that I am and never have been any of those people you project me to be. Which just goes to show how little you understand but how much you believe all of the BS you spout. It's even funnier that you won't believe what I just said because it would shatter your whole insane constructed world.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 6:28:39 PM   
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oh no mnottertroll, townhall!!

"Revealed: Multiple References to Potential Crimes Deleted From Early Drafts of Comey's Hillary Email Scandal Memo"



...Yet Jim Comey was outraged (OUTRAGED!!!) when the president pointed out that the FBI had fallen into ill repute under Jim's sloppy and unprofessional tenure



As he should be, as the FBI maintained the highest of integrity and standards, under the leadership of the universally liked and respected, Jim Comey. Although personally, I do fault Comey for giving in to pressure from Loretta Lynch and greatly watering down Hilary's email server use as careless and reckless, rather than criminal, which it certainly was.


That's good entertainment right there. You admit that they're partisan hacks (or at least clownish buffoons) then defend the bunglers as real professionals

As their top agent, Jimmy WAS the FBI

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/6/2018 8:23:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

oh no mnottertroll, townhall!!

"Revealed: Multiple References to Potential Crimes Deleted From Early Drafts of Comey's Hillary Email Scandal Memo"



...Yet Jim Comey was outraged (OUTRAGED!!!) when the president pointed out that the FBI had fallen into ill repute under Jim's sloppy and unprofessional tenure



As he should be, as the FBI maintained the highest of integrity and standards, under the leadership of the universally liked and respected, Jim Comey. Although personally, I do fault Comey for giving in to pressure from Loretta Lynch and greatly watering down Hilary's email server use as careless and reckless, rather than criminal, which it certainly was.


That's good entertainment right there. You admit that they're partisan hacks (or at least clownish buffoons) then defend the bunglers as real professionals

As their top agent, Jimmy WAS the FBI



Nothing to admit. I have stated many times that Loretta Lynch was a partisan hack, who pressured Comey to water down the email server analysis. Comey made a few mistakes. (That was one of them. The other was to announce that he was reopening an investigation on her, right before the election). I am sure Hilary pressured Lynch.

Glad you are entertained.

Other than those 2 mistakes, Comey ran a great shop, and conducted himself with the greatest of integrity. So say everyone in the bureau who worked for him, and until recently, the majority of Republicans.

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