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Or is all you can do is call people names?

Oh, cloudboy can do lots more than just that. This is my favorite so far:

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Immigration is an imaginary problem...

K.

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Actually I read the LA times, NY Times, Boston Herald, Chicago tribune, mother earth and others. One of my favoites is CBS. Don't find much interesting in them to tweak my interest but I do read them. Maybe you should try. BTW When you gonna man up and answer the question since I was respectful enough to answer it for you.

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I come from a long line of Dems. Just think a lot of what they profess is wrong these days. I think I quit believing in them starting with Johnson.

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I believe in solving problems and following credible expert opinions. As far as a code, I think the TEN Commandants are a wise set of rules.

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Im just going to laugh until the tears are running down My face when trump finds out his wall isn't going to stay on budget without illegals doing the work......and when he find out the deeper tunnels they'll build under those walls isn't going to keep them out ether.....kinda like the Rio Grande doesnt now. (BTW....good idea with the (surface only) land mines for that problem!!)

I bet those "made in china" wall materials trump will use to build it (like he does his buildings that he's had in bankruptcy over the years.) will look good though.....

I wonder what trump will think to do once the drug cartels start using the "trump wall" for target practice?.....oh wait, they already do ....they're called border guards....

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I believe in solving problems and following credible expert opinions. As far as a code, I think the TEN Commandants are a wise set of rules.

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Im just going to laugh until the tears are running down My face when trump finds out his wall isn't going to stay on budget without illegals doing the work......and when he find out the deeper tunnels they'll build under those walls isn't going to keep them out ether.....kinda like the Rio Grande doesnt now. (BTW....good idea with the (surface only) land mines for that problem!!)

I bet those "made in china" wall materials trump will use to build it (like he does his buildings that he's had in bankruptcy over the years.) will look good though.....

I wonder what trump will think to do once the drug cartels start using the "trump wall" for target practice?.....oh wait, they already do ....they're called border guards....

God forbid we have to hire union masons to do the work?

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Im just going to laugh until the tears are running down My face when trump finds out his wall isn't going to stay on budget without illegals doing the work......and when he find out the deeper tunnels they'll build under those walls isn't going to keep them out ether.....kinda like the Rio Grande doesnt now. (BTW....good idea with the (surface only) land mines for that problem!!)

I bet those "made in china" wall materials trump will use to build it (like he does his buildings that he's had in bankruptcy over the years.) will look good though.....

I wonder what trump will think to do once the drug cartels start using the "trump wall" for target practice?.....oh wait, they already do ....they're called border guards....

God forbid we have to hire union masons to do the work?

nah, sanity,........he'd hire people just like you. because you're so willing to do that right!?! y'all wall-builders will just jump right in there for those wages u know are not going to be anywhere NEAR what's called living wages.

cuz you know if those darn illegals are stealing American field jobs that don't pay that ....you just KNOW trump with HIS profit margin on that wall will have repugnicans just clamoring for those jobs right?



ya know? I wonder how many social programs will bite the dust to fund that debacle? Probably enough so that that "those people" will be cheap labor working the wall.....
so no sanity.....no union people needed. it doesn't have to be right,....it just has to be there....because its going to be a failure ether way.

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No, I don't feel both are necessary, especially when they oppose each other.


How would it be possible for them to oppose one another? Correct me if I am mistaken but when a law is proposed isn't there debate(in committee and on the floor)and finally a vote is taken and the votes are tallied. Wouldn't you agree that knowledge of the process from start to finish would be more useful than simply the tally?



Gee, I don't know....

Obamacare subsidies?

As written, they are only for those who sign up on the State-run exchanges.

Intent (as deduced by the SCOTUS in opposition to Gruber's allegations)

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was for subsidies to be available to anyone signing up on a State-run or Federal-run exchange.



Clearly, those two things oppose each other.

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Im just going to laugh until the tears are running down My face when trump finds out his wall isn't going to stay on budget without illegals doing the work......and when he find out the deeper tunnels they'll build under those walls isn't going to keep them out ether.....kinda like the Rio Grande doesnt now. (BTW....good idea with the (surface only) land mines for that problem!!)

I bet those "made in china" wall materials trump will use to build it (like he does his buildings that he's had in bankruptcy over the years.) will look good though.....

I wonder what trump will think to do once the drug cartels start using the "trump wall" for target practice?.....oh wait, they already do ....they're called border guards....

God forbid we have to hire union masons to do the work?

nah, sanity,........he'd hire people just like you. because you're so willing to do that right!?! y'all wall-builders will just jump right in there for those wages u know are not going to be anywhere NEAR what's called living wages.

cuz you know if those darn illegals are stealing American field jobs that don't pay that ....you just KNOW trump with HIS profit margin on that wall will have repugnicans just clamoring for those jobs right?



ya know? I wonder how many social programs will bite the dust to fund that debacle? Probably enough so that that "those people" will be cheap labor working the wall.....
so no sanity.....no union people needed. it doesn't have to be right,....it just has to be there....because its going to be a failure ether way.

Like the federal government has never paid Davis-Bacon wages on large projects before... [sm=rofl.gif]

What is it with leftists who a. Claim to support "union wages" or a living wage or whatever, and then b. Turn around and claim we have to undercut American workers' wages as severely as possible by utilizing illegal labor

No compass

Leftists have no compass

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and you have no memory,...... WE "leftists" and Liberals have been clamoring for decades to level the wage playing field....not your kind.
your side of the isle has allways wanted to "get government out of the way of business" so that business can pay whatever they want for wages.
hence sanity why everytime some half-wit GOP'er puts up a cattle call for people to come work at jobs held by illegals..... the only sound that was heard was the crickets chirping...

ya need to look in that mirror for that lack of (compass) sanity....

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If you want to go through the discussion process to figure things out, are you still going to argue that the 14th Amendment wasn't intended to include children of illegal aliens?

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In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.

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The United States did not limit immigration in 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified. Thus there were, by definition, no illegal immigrants and the issue of citizenship for children of those here in violation of the law was nonexistent. Granting of automatic citizenship to children of illegal alien mothers is a recent and totally inadvertent and unforeseen result of the amendment and the Reconstructionist period in which it was ratified.



According to the article, there was no limitation on immigration.

So, where do you get that the newly freed slaves were "illegal aliens?"

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and you have no memory,...... WE "leftists" and Liberals have been clamoring for decades to level the wage playing field....not your kind.
your side of the isle has allways wanted to "get government out of the way of business" so that business can pay whatever they want for wages.
hence sanity why everytime some half-wit GOP'er puts up a cattle call for people to come work at jobs held by illegals..... the only sound that was heard was the crickets chirping...

ya need to look in that mirror for that lack of (compass) sanity....

"level the wage playing field" = We are all slaves to our master government, who shall set our net worth regardless of our individual endeavors

No thank you

Theres nothing "liberal" about you or your bankrupt, failed ass ideology