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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:09:08 PM

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How many school shootings have there been in the last year?

57 this year...so far.

But it's good to know we don't have a gun problem. We have too many kids, apparently.

Fuck,that's like 6 a month.

It is also wrong

I rounded,it's the begening of the 10th month(month is still young),if you round to 60
60 dived by 10 equals 6

Your math was fine, his number was wrong, in my previous post I explained some of the reasons.
He got his number from someone like Blumberg who claimed 50 some-odd school shootings in the 14 months after Sandy Hook, when the FBI verified number was more like 12. Blumberg redefined school shootings to include gang activity miles from a school that included a student at that school.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:10:35 PM

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"Morally healthy people ... do not let themselves
be dragged into a consumption without restraint,
the cancer of present-day social economy."

-- Pope Pius XII

I'm pretty sure he was a conservative.

He was a Republican alright, Irish Republican Army

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:12:58 PM

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There are literally thousands of homicides in the United States that can be laid at the door of illegal possession and trafficking in firearms, and neither the Republicans nor the Democrats do fuck about it. The NRA, to their credit, have long argued for better enforcement and stiffer penalties to no avail.

Given the NRA's legendary clout, its lack of success surprises me. Any idea why it hasn't been more effective on this one?

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:13:25 PM

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How many school shootings have there been in the last year?

57 this year...so far.

Fuck,that's like 6 a month.

It is also wrong

I'll tell you what I think is wrong. There are literally thousands of homicides in the United States that can be laid at the door of illegal possession and trafficking in firearms, and neither the Republicans nor the Democrats do fuck about it. The NRA, to their credit, have long argued for better enforcement and stiffer penalties to no avail. Even in New York, a virulently anti-gun state, the penalty for illegal possession not involving the commission of a violent crime is a Class A misdemeanor that carries a 1-year sentence. But people will get righteous about banning pistol grips, flash suppressors, and telescoping stocks. I mean seriously, what the fuck?

K.

They would rather pass laws making it harder for you and I to defend ourselves than to fix the problem. If they did that they would have no reason to attack gun owners and no excuse to give themselves more control.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:14:26 PM

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He was a Republican alright, Irish Republican Army

Pius XII was in the IRA?

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:17:20 PM

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There are literally thousands of homicides in the United States that can be laid at the door of illegal possession and trafficking in firearms, and neither the Republicans nor the Democrats do fuck about it. The NRA, to their credit, have long argued for better enforcement and stiffer penalties to no avail.

Given the NRA's legendary clout, its lack of success surprises me. Any idea why it hasn't been more effective on this one?

It is easier to stop a law than to pass one. The anti gun lobby outspends them by about 4 to one.
Besides when they say enforce current law, increase penalties, include mental health information the response is see they don't want to do anything. They have been fighting for universal reciprocity for years and haven't gotten it yet.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:18:52 PM

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He was a Republican alright, Irish Republican Army

Pius XII was in the IRA?

Looks like I misunderstood your post sorry. I thought you were talking about the Oregon shooter. Nobody is perfect.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:27:34 PM

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There are literally thousands of homicides in the United States that can be laid at the door of illegal possession and trafficking in firearms, and neither the Republicans nor the Democrats do fuck about it. The NRA, to their credit, have long argued for better enforcement and stiffer penalties to no avail.

Given the NRA's legendary clout, its lack of success surprises me. Any idea why it hasn't been more effective on this one?

Legendary is the right word. The NRA is constantly begging for contributions from its members just to fund its efforts to stop, or contest in court, laws that it feels unduly burden law-abiding gun owners. It simply doesn't have the resources to mount a nationwide effort to convince 50 state legislatures to increase penalties for illegal possession and commit funds for serious anti-trafficking enforcement, and that's not its mission.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 9:31:08 PM

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There are literally thousands of homicides in the United States that can be laid at the door of illegal possession and trafficking in firearms, and neither the Republicans nor the Democrats do fuck about it. The NRA, to their credit, have long argued for better enforcement and stiffer penalties to no avail.

Given the NRA's legendary clout, its lack of success surprises me. Any idea why it hasn't been more effective on this one?

Legendary is the right word. The NRA is constantly begging for contributions from its members just to fund its efforts to stop, or contest in court, laws that it feels unduly burden law-abiding gun owners. It simply doesn't have the resources to mount a nationwide effort to convince 50 state legislatures to increase penalties for illegal possession and commit funds for serious anti-trafficking enforcement, and that's not its mission.

K.

The NRA is the boggie man of the gunaphobe

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/1/2015 10:24:23 PM

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Looks like I misunderstood your post sorry. I thought you were talking about the Oregon shooter.

No worries! I was just teasing CD.

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Nobody is perfect.

Ain't that the truth?!

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 12:17:30 AM

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How many school shootings have there been in the last year?

We need to increase the budget to buy and place more of those "Gun Free Zone" signs. That'll fix the problem!

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 4:16:14 AM

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so weve gone from it being a terrorist attack against christianity, then we get the bullshit about the IRA, now altho he stated he was a conservative republican, hes trying to make it about his lack of organized religion
HOME GROWN AMERICAN MURDERER....take the fucking blame for your culture
backpedalling everytime a new report comes out puts a lie that you are waiting for the "truth" to come out'

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 4:42:18 AM

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So of course the gun issue came up,but what about mental health treatment?

ive spent most of my adult life on college campuses and as it pertains to this particular case, every place ive ever been has had free counseling for students. this is standard fare at every college and university in the country.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 7:22:29 AM

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Pretty sure he meant counseling for the lunatics that would shoot up schools like this.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 7:24:40 AM

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I have to wonder why Obama doesn't have one of his speeches in his home town of Chicago ? The city where he began his career as a community organizer. Chicago had 60 homicides in the month of September alone.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 7:39:22 AM

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Pretty sure he meant counseling for the lunatics that would shoot up schools like this.

yes, but before the fact by way of prevention...

was the shooter a student there?

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 7:42:53 AM

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As far as I see, no. But he was involved in the theater department somehow.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 9:33:19 AM

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As far as I see, no. But he was involved in the theater department somehow.

If he was associated with the theater department I would think counsuling should have been availiable.
Just curious, was he gay?
Trying to figure out why he singled out Christians.
And I am not saying gays are the kind of wackos that would do this.
But if he was wacko, and gay he may have considered the Christians to be his oppressers. Wacko is the reason he did this gay could explain his targeting.

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 9:45:49 AM

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The scumbaggery is strong today....

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so weve gone from it being a terrorist attack against christianity, then we get the bullshit about the IRA, now altho he stated he was a conservative republican, hes trying to make it about his lack of organized religion

Oregon gunman singled out Christians during rampage

A gunman singled out Christians, telling them they would see God in “one second,” during a rampage at an Oregon college Thursday that left at least nine innocent people dead and several more wounded, survivors and authorities said.

“[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. ‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and if you’re a Christian, stand up. And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.’ And then he shot and killed them,” Stacy Boylen, whose daughter was wounded at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., told CNN.

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HOME GROWN AMERICAN MURDERER....take the fucking blame for your culture

Oregon Shooting: 'Heroic' Veteran Chris Mintz Was Shot 7 Times

An Army veteran was shot seven times while trying to save other students during the deadly Oregon community college rampage, according to his aunt. Chris Mintz "tried to protect some people," his aunt Sheila Brown told NBC News in a telephone interview. "We were told he did heroic things to protect some people." She said that Mintz was shot seven times and had been in surgery since the shooting that left 10 dead, including the gunman.

Originally from Randleman, North Carolina, Mintz served about 10 years in the Army. He had just started college, Brown said. He was shot in the back, abdomen and hands, and had two broken legs, she added... "It was a great, great shock ... We've all been sitting on pins and needles and praying very hard," Brown said, adding Mintz was "an extremely good guy."

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RE: Umpqua mass shooting - 10/2/2015 9:47:31 AM

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you are right it is. Fucking bama should be ashamed of himself, Now he is wondering if the shooter is gay.

Only now are the victims important.
Congrats.

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