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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 3:58:48 PM   
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Getting back to the inferrence of the thread.
I own two kukris, do the 4 bowies I own mean I am more likely to misuse knives?


I am not even sure of how many knives I own. To be honest, it has never occurred to me to COUNT them. Different knives for different things and a few to spare in case you need to lend one (or get one stuck in someone.)

Same here, I just listed the big ones. (but then there are the swords).

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 3:58:54 PM   
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SO all absent parents are to blame for the actions of their offspring.
nice to know.


Funny that you should mention that. How many shooters have been raised in a home where the mother was divorced or unmarried?

I think that you may find a pattern.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 4:01:16 PM   
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SO all absent parents are to blame for the actions of their offspring.
nice to know.


Funny that you should mention that. How many shooters have been raised in a home where the mother was divorced or unmarried?

I think that you may find a pattern.

If present parents make a difference wouldn't the lack of a parent make a differnce also?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 4:02:13 PM   
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SO all absent parents are to blame for the actions of their offspring.
nice to know.


Funny that you should mention that. How many shooters have been raised in a home where the mother was divorced or unmarried?

I think that you may find a pattern.


*I've* noticed a pattern. They were all raised in American homes.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 4:11:03 PM   
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SO all absent parents are to blame for the actions of their offspring.
nice to know.


Funny that you should mention that. How many shooters have been raised in a home where the mother was divorced or unmarried?

I think that you may find a pattern.


*I've* noticed a pattern. They were all raised in American homes.

Didn't you notice that the Oregon shooters father was English?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 4:20:42 PM   
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Didn't you notice that the Oregon shooters father was English?


Really? I hadn't realised that Britain still transported people as a punishment for severe crimes. Harsh.


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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 4:24:49 PM   
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Didn't you notice that the Oregon shooters father was English?


Really? I hadn't realised that Britain still transported people as a punishment for severe crimes. Harsh.


Yes, apparently the people in Oregon did something horrible.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 5:13:45 PM   
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Funny that you should mention that. How many shooters have been raised in a home where the mother was divorced or unmarried?

I think that you may find a pattern.

*I've* noticed a pattern. They were all raised in American homes.

Father Absence, Father Deficit, Father Hunger
    Researchers have found that for children, the results are nothing short of disastrous, along a number of dimensions:● children’s diminished self-concept, and compromised physical and emotional security (children consistently report feeling abandoned when their fathers are not involved in their lives, struggling with their emotions and episodic bouts of self-loathing)

    ● behavioral problems (fatherless children have more difficulties with social adjustment, and are more likely to report problems with friendships, and manifest behavior problems; many develop a swaggering, intimidating persona in an attempt to disguise their underlying fears, resentments, anxieties and unhappiness)

    ● truancy and poor academic performance (71 per cent of high school dropouts are fatherless; fatherless children have more trouble academically, scoring poorly on tests of reading, mathematics, and thinking skills; children from father absent homes are more likely to play truant from school, more likely to be excluded from school, more likely to leave school at age 16, and less likely to attain academic and professional qualifications in adulthood)

    ● delinquency and youth crime, including violent crime (85 per cent of youth in prison have an absent father; fatherless children are more likely to offend and go to jail as adults)

    ● promiscuity and teen pregnancy (fatherless children are more likely to experience problems with sexual health, including a greater likelihood of having intercourse before the age of 16, foregoing contraception during first intercourse, becoming teenage parents, and contracting sexually transmitted infection; girls manifest an object hunger for males, and in experiencing the emotional loss of their fathers egocentrically as a rejection of them, become susceptible to exploitation by adult men)

    ● drug and alcohol abuse (fatherless children are more likely to smoke, drink alcohol, and abuse drugs in childhood and adulthood)

    ● homelessness (90 per cent of runaway children have an absent father)

    ● exploitation and abuse (fatherless children are at greater risk of suffering physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, being five times more likely to have experienced physical abuse and emotional maltreatment, with a one hundred times higher risk of fatal abuse; a recent study reported that preschoolers not living with both of their biological parents are 40 times more likely to be sexually abused)

    ● physical health problems (fatherless children report significantly more psychosomatic health symptoms and illness such as acute and chronic pain, asthma, headaches, and stomach aches)

    ● mental health disorders (father absent children are consistently overrepresented on a wide range of mental health problems, particularly anxiety, depression and suicide)

    ● life chances (as adults, fatherless children are more likely to experience unemployment, have low incomes, remain on social assistance, and experience homelessness)

    ● future relationships (father absent children tend to enter partnerships earlier, are more likely to divorce or dissolve their cohabiting unions, and are more likely to have children outside marriage or outside any partnership)

    ● mortality (fatherless children are more likely to die as children, and live an average of four years less over the life span)
Father-Absent Homes: Implications for Criminal Justice and Mental Health Professionals
    The number of children who grow up without a father in the home in the United States has reached concerning levels. There exists a considerable research base that suggests that children raised in households lacking a father experience psychosocial problems with greater frequency than children with a father in the home (Allen & Daly, 2007). These problems have been found to extend into adolescence and adulthood and include an increased risk of substance use, depression, suicide, poor school performance, and contact with the criminal justice system (Allen & Daly, 2007)...

    ADVERSE OUTCOME 1: Perceived Abandonment
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 2: Attachment Issues
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 3: Child Abuse
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 4: Childhood Obesity
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 5: Criminal Justice Involvement
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 6: Gang Involvement
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 7: Mental Health Issues
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 8: Poor School Performance
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 9: Poverty and Homelessness
    ADVERSE OUTCOME 10: Substance Use

    Given the large research base suggesting that children who grow up in homes without a father present adverse outcomes at rates significantly above those with fathers present, attention to this phenomenon is perhaps warranted by clinicians, researchers, and policymakers. It is important to point out that not all children who are raised in a father-absent home will experience adverse outcomes. This said, available evidence cannot be ignored.
The adverse outcomes listed are only section headings; findings and references at the link.

Thanks for playing.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 5:29:09 PM   
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I can believe the not enforcing... but I don't believe they have immigration laws or proposed laws directly opposed to federal law...like they do in my dumb ass republican dominated legislature.

The same legislature that when conceal and carry was put to the vote and the people strongly voted against it... threw out that result and over ruled the people's vote at the behest of special interests.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 5:59:12 PM   
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I can believe the not enforcing... but I don't believe they have immigration laws or proposed laws directly opposed to federal law...like they do in my dumb ass republican dominated legislature.

The same legislature that when conceal and carry was put to the vote and the people strongly voted against it... threw out that result and over ruled the people's vote at the behest of special interests.

Butch

Are you sure about, my family said there were two elections, a few years apart. The Brason money of out of staters stopped it the first time but it carried. Both times the opposition was finaced by people from out of state.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 6:50:44 PM   
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If present parents make a difference wouldn't the lack of a parent make a differnce also?

Bonnie and clyde spring to mind as poster couple for child neglect.  Would you really want psychos like that parenting?

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 6:53:57 PM   
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If present parents make a difference wouldn't the lack of a parent make a differnce also?

Bonnie and clyde spring to mind as poster couple for child neglect.  Would you really want psychos like that parenting?

Do you really think that this is a rational and serious comment.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:21:31 PM   
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SO all absent parents are to blame for the actions of their offspring.
nice to know.


Funny that you should mention that. How many shooters have been raised in a home where the mother was divorced or unmarried?

I think that you may find a pattern.

I said else where that the father was absent for whatever reason.
The mother was the one that needed her head checked.

It works both ways too
How many divorced people here who could be classed as "absent" not having seen his son since 2013.... I didnt see my daughter for 8 months, am I sposed to know everything she is into?
btw

For every Dylann Roof, there’s a Michael Phelps. Both Columbine killers lived with both their mom and dad. And Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech, had an intact family.
And yes, absent parents ARE an issue
But so is the mentality of the other parent.


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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:22:18 PM   
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How do you explain them being in the military as young a 17?

Too stupid to know any better.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:23:59 PM   
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I am not even sure of how many knives I own. To be honest, it has never occurred to me to COUNT them. Different knives for different things and a few to spare in case you need to lend one (or get one stuck in someone.)

How does one know how long of a knife one needs to carry when camping in the forest? 

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:25:59 PM   
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 Japan proves B, they have very few guns and a much higher suicide rate than we do.

Suicide is a national pastime in japan. They have ritualized it and institutionalized it. Fines for train stopages due to suicide are standardized. Your point about japanese suicides is irrelevant since they never had a gun culture.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:27:05 PM   
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Why shouldn't people be able to kill themselves?

Those who are breathing up my air should stop

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:28:50 PM   
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If present parents make a difference wouldn't the lack of a parent make a differnce also?

Bonnie and clyde spring to mind as poster couple for child neglect.  Would you really want psychos like that parenting?


Do you really think that this is a rational and serious comment.


Yes it  points out quite clearly how full of shit you are.

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:30:08 PM   
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And then what.
Change human nature with drugs? 

What kind of drugs?Is there a que? 

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RE: Oregon Shooter had fifteen firearms - 10/12/2015 7:34:41 PM   
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