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DaddySatyr -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/2/2015 9:45:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 That has got to be the shittiest thing I have heard coming from down under, and I am counting Mel Gibson. Mel was actually BORN here, in the US Michael

ifmaz -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/2/2015 10:12:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 ... Now, for the final item, and the fact it will make the anti gun crowd as well as the foreign "civilized people dont need guns" to shit bricks and have attacks of tachycardia, I have as of last friday, 60,000 rounds of ammo for each of my weapons. Gotta love having a part time job as a range safety officer at a local gun dealer/indoor range. Ammo at cost! I demand pictures.

jlf1961 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/3/2015 2:41:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 That has got to be the shittiest thing I have heard coming from down under, and I am counting Mel Gibson. Mel was actually BORN here, in the US Michael He was raised in Australia, his father being an auzzie

DaddySatyr -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/3/2015 10:09:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 That has got to be the shittiest thing I have heard coming from down under, and I am counting Mel Gibson. Mel was actually BORN here, in the US Michael He was raised in Australia, his father being an auzzie Actually, his father was an American; his grandfather a "rich" tobacco farmer in the southern US (Tennessee, I believe). He moved the family to Australia for financial reasons and because he wanted to keep his eldest son out of the draft for Vietnam. Michael

tweakabelle -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/3/2015 11:10:22 PM)
Gibson is an American. He was born in the USA, works in the USA and resides in the USA. Any Australian-ness he may have felt was transient fleeting and long long ago. You guys are more than welcome to him. If you like, you can keep him in the same place as you keep Rupert Murdoch, whose current status matches Gibson's.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/3/2015 11:27:06 PM)
Good on yer Tweaks smile

Kirata -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 3:00:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Gibson is an American. He was born in the USA, works in the USA and resides in the USA. Any Australian-ness he may have felt was transient fleeting and long long ago. You guys are more than welcome to him. If you like, you can keep him in the same place as you keep Rupert Murdoch, whose current status matches Gibson's. I believe you are referring to the American-born Mel Colm-Cille Gerard Gibson, Officer of the Order of Australia, whose status is not quite the same as Rupert Murdoch, the latter being the higher-ranked Keith Rupert Murdoch, Companion of the Order of Australia, n'est-ce pas? K.

Kirata -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 3:14:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Ohferchrissake, stop flogging this stupid tautology. What difference would it make in terms of human lives if gun deaths went to zero and the homicide rate stayed the same? Do you care about human lives, or are you only just obsessed with guns? I've got to hand it to you, K - Of all the American gunsters using this forum, only you would have the sheer bare-faced chutzpah to suggest that a non-American anti-gunster was 'obsessed with guns'. Excellent! Denial ain't a river in Eqypt, Peon. Gun threads attract both of you like a magnet. K.

crazyml -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 7:19:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, they already made it damn near impossible to own a gun, so it seems to be a going thing to remove the rights of the people. There are a few historic examples of countries who took away the right to own firearms and limit the rights that I mentioned. Seems to go hand in hand, historically speaking. It is very very easy to own a gun legally. So no - it is not "damn near impossible" It is not easy to own a pistol, but a simple police check, and a valid reason (typically permission to shoot on someone's land) and hey presto you can have a shotgun or a rifle. You seem to be desperately confused about democracy... No "country" took away the right of people in the UK to carry pistols, it was the democratically elected government that expressed the overwhelming will of the people to restrict the availability of firearms. It's one of the considerable blessings of living in a democracy where we can change our laws. It's worth noting that next to no-one rocked up to demonstrate against the gun restrictions, while nearly 100,000 marched in opposition to the ban on hunting foxes with hounds. Here's the really fucking amazing thing about the democratic process... if enough people wanted to relax the laws, they could get themselves elected and change the law. Whew! But owning a hand gun is damed near impossible, and self defence, a basic right that even animals have, is not, according to other Englishmen on here, recognized. Bit no there is no real restrictions there. Would you like some oacean front property in Arizona that I can get for you cheap. You're confused. We have a long established right to self defence, it's vested both in our common law and statute. We democratically, and with the overwhelming approval of the population, passed a law making it damned near impossible to own a handgun. If it were a concern to enough british citizens, we could change our law. That'll be on account of our living in a functioning democracy where we are not subject to the whims and beliefs of a group of middle aged white dudes from the 1700's. I know this will be very hard for some people to understand, but.... that's how the will of the people is expressed in a functioning democracy. That said, the situations of the two countries are completely different - There is very little in the way of gun culture (for good or ill) in the UK, hunting (given our distinct lack of real wilderness) isn't part of our culture either - certainly not in the way it is in the states. If the likelihood of criminals carrying and using guns were to rise significantly, we may choose - through that wonderful process of democracy - to relax our laws on hand gun ownership.

BamaD -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 8:50:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Well, they already made it damn near impossible to own a gun, so it seems to be a going thing to remove the rights of the people. There are a few historic examples of countries who took away the right to own firearms and limit the rights that I mentioned. Seems to go hand in hand, historically speaking. It is very very easy to own a gun legally. So no - it is not "damn near impossible" It is not easy to own a pistol, but a simple police check, and a valid reason (typically permission to shoot on someone's land) and hey presto you can have a shotgun or a rifle. You seem to be desperately confused about democracy... No "country" took away the right of people in the UK to carry pistols, it was the democratically elected government that expressed the overwhelming will of the people to restrict the availability of firearms. It's one of the considerable blessings of living in a democracy where we can change our laws. It's worth noting that next to no-one rocked up to demonstrate against the gun restrictions, while nearly 100,000 marched in opposition to the ban on hunting foxes with hounds. Here's the really fucking amazing thing about the democratic process... if enough people wanted to relax the laws, they could get themselves elected and change the law. Whew! But owning a hand gun is damed near impossible, and self defence, a basic right that even animals have, is not, according to other Englishmen on here, recognized. Bit no there is no real restrictions there. Would you like some oacean front property in Arizona that I can get for you cheap. You're confused. We have a long established right to self defence, it's vested both in our common law and statute. We democratically, and with the overwhelming approval of the population, passed a law making it damned near impossible to own a handgun. If it were a concern to enough british citizens, we could change our law. That'll be on account of our living in a functioning democracy where we are not subject to the whims and beliefs of a group of middle aged white dudes from the 1700's. I know this will be very hard for some people to understand, but.... that's how the will of the people is expressed in a functioning democracy. That said, the situations of the two countries are completely different - There is very little in the way of gun culture (for good or ill) in the UK, hunting (given our distinct lack of real wilderness) isn't part of our culture either - certainly not in the way it is in the states. If the likelihood of criminals carrying and using guns were to rise significantly, we may choose - through that wonderful process of democracy - to relax our laws on hand gun ownership. So the will of the people in the UK is sacrosanct. On the other hand the will of the people in the US must be changed, and failing that ignored. If you like your laws, keep your laws, we will do the same.

tweakabelle -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 11:24:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Gibson is an American. He was born in the USA, works in the USA and resides in the USA. Any Australian-ness he may have felt was transient fleeting and long long ago. You guys are more than welcome to him. If you like, you can keep him in the same place as you keep Rupert Murdoch, whose current status matches Gibson's. I believe you are referring to the American-born Mel Colm-Cille Gerard Gibson, Officer of the Order of Australia, whose status is not quite the same as Rupert Murdoch, the latter being the higher-ranked Keith Rupert Murdoch, Companion of the Order of Australia, n'est-ce pas? K. It is not unusual for the Aussie Govt to award gongs to foreigners who have made a contribution to Australia. When it comes to things that really count, Murdoch is an American citizen and travels on a US passport. IDK which passport Gibson uses, but as he wasn't born here, neither lives nor works here, and (to the best of my knowledge,) hasn't chosen Australian citizenship nor renounced his American citizenship, there seems little reason to doubt the authenticity of his US citizenship. Like I say, you guys are more than welcome to him. As far as I am concerned, (and I suspect most Aussies would agree with me on this point) you guys can have him, he's all yours (for what he's worth .... ).

Dvr22999874 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 11:28:51 PM)
Mel Gibson is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy............................and I repeat what I said earlier; He was born in New York to the best of my knowledge. I always thought the most well known hero from New York was some kind of weird sandwich

Dvr22999874 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 11:33:02 PM)
and if you want stupidity from the Aussie government, think of awarding Prince Phillip a bloody knighthood. We must have looked a right bunch of pillocks to the rest of the world, especially the Brits

tweakabelle -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 11:37:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 and if you want stupidity from the Aussie government, think of awarding Prince Phillip a bloody knighthood. We must have looked a right bunch of pillocks to the rest of the world, especially the Brits Yes. That idiotic move did set in motion a series of events that ended up with Abbott, the moronic Prime Minister solely responsible for awarding Prince Philip his gong, getting the boot from the Prime Minister-ship, to the grateful relief of (almost) the entire nation. So it wasn't entirely disastrous in the end ..... [;)]

Dvr22999874 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/4/2015 11:57:27 PM)
Imagine awarding a knighthood though to a greek prince, who also happens to be married to the queen of England....................It goes to show that a mule may never be a stallion but a donkey can become a prime minister

lovmuffin -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 2:36:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Like I say, you guys are more than welcome to him. As far as I am concerned, (and I suspect most Aussies would agree with me on this point) you guys can have him, he's all yours (for what he's worth .... ). quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Mel Gibson is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy............. I'm happy to have him. He's produced and acted in some of the best movies of all time. He is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy is one of the most absurd things that has been said on this forum. Ya think he's gun'a come come in with his guns blazing shootin up the town ??

jlf1961 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 4:52:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Like I say, you guys are more than welcome to him. As far as I am concerned, (and I suspect most Aussies would agree with me on this point) you guys can have him, he's all yours (for what he's worth .... ). quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Mel Gibson is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy............. I'm happy to have him. He's produced and acted in some of the best movies of all time. He is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy is one of the most absurd things that has been said on this forum. Ya think he's gun'a come come in with his guns blazing shootin up the town ?? Right and his anti-semitc rants are just part of his appeal, or his threats to his former girlfriend? Considering his much publicized tirades over the last few years, and the "poetic license" he has taken in his "historic" dramas, whatever credibility he had as a film maker was trashed years ago. Also, almost unbelivably, his publicized rants to police and his ex actually proved that gun laws, when the information is up to date, work. Shortly after the recording of his threats to his ex girlfriend were made public, and the subsequint protective order issued, the esteemed Mr. Gibson was denied 3 times in his attempt to purchase firearms in the state of California.

thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 5:09:06 AM)
So the will of the people in the UK is sacrosanct. On the other hand the will of the people in the US must be changed, and failing that ignored. Where do you get this mindless tripe.In the u.s. the people can change the law any phoquing time they choose. If you like your laws, keep your laws, we will do the same. When we don't like our laws we chanage them...or hadent you heard of congress?[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 5:12:07 AM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Imagine awarding a knighthood though to a greek prince, who also happens to be married to the queen of England....................It goes to show that a mule may never be a stallion but a donkey can become a prime minister It goes to show that a mule may never be a stallion but a jackass can become a p.m.

thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 5:14:41 AM)
Right and his anti-semitc rants are just part of his appeal, or his threats to his former girlfriend? Considering his much publicized tirades over the last few years, and the "poetic license" he has taken in his "historic" dramas, whatever credibility he had as a film maker was trashed years ago. Also, almost unbelivably, his publicized rants to police and his ex actually proved that gun laws, when the information is up to date, work. Shortly after the recording of his threats to his ex girlfriend were made public, and the subsequint protective order issued, the esteemed Mr. Gibson was denied 3 times in his attempt to purchase firearms in the state of California. You said a mouthfull. He is a hateful piece of shit and too emotionally unstable to be allowed anything more lethal than round nose scissors.

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