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Lucylastic -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 5:39:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Right and his anti-semitc rants are just part of his appeal, or his threats to his former girlfriend?

Considering his much publicized tirades over the last few years, and the "poetic license" he has taken in his "historic" dramas, whatever credibility he had as a film maker was trashed years ago.

Also, almost unbelivably, his publicized rants to police and his ex actually proved that gun laws, when the information is up to date, work. Shortly after the recording of his threats to his ex girlfriend were made public, and the subsequint protective order issued, the esteemed Mr. Gibson was denied 3 times in his attempt to purchase firearms in the state of California.

You said a mouthfull. He is a hateful piece of shit and too emotionally unstable to be allowed anything more lethal than round nose scissors.

of course it had nothing to do with the fact that he was....mel gibson.




lovmuffin -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 8:49:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

I'm happy to have him. He's produced and acted in some of the best movies of all time. He is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy is one of the most absurd things that has been said on this forum. Ya think he's gun'a come come in with his guns blazing shootin up the town ??



Right and his anti-semitc rants are just part of his appeal, or his threats to his former girlfriend?

Considering his much publicized tirades over the last few years, and the "poetic license" he has taken in his "historic" dramas, whatever credibility he had as a film maker was trashed years ago.

Also, almost unbelivably, his publicized rants to police and his ex actually proved that gun laws, when the information is up to date, work. Shortly after the recording of his threats to his ex girlfriend were made public, and the subsequint protective order issued, the esteemed Mr. Gibson was denied 3 times in his attempt to purchase firearms in the state of California.




It seems to me people like to pile on when someone is down. On 2 of his historic dramas he got it pretty much spot on, at least if you don't consider the bible and the life of Christ pure fantasy. So he's had a few emotional problems and hasn't done much professionally during the last few years. Keep on kicking him.
I still doubt if he's really going to come in and shoot up the town. If he wants a gun do you really think the NICS is ultimately going to stop him ?




jlf1961 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 9:38:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

I'm happy to have him. He's produced and acted in some of the best movies of all time. He is one reason I can see for keeping a gun handy is one of the most absurd things that has been said on this forum. Ya think he's gun'a come come in with his guns blazing shootin up the town ??



Right and his anti-semitc rants are just part of his appeal, or his threats to his former girlfriend?

Considering his much publicized tirades over the last few years, and the "poetic license" he has taken in his "historic" dramas, whatever credibility he had as a film maker was trashed years ago.

Also, almost unbelivably, his publicized rants to police and his ex actually proved that gun laws, when the information is up to date, work. Shortly after the recording of his threats to his ex girlfriend were made public, and the subsequint protective order issued, the esteemed Mr. Gibson was denied 3 times in his attempt to purchase firearms in the state of California.




It seems to me people like to pile on when someone is down. On 2 of his historic dramas he got it pretty much spot on, at least if you don't consider the bible and the life of Christ pure fantasy. So he's had a few emotional problems and hasn't done much professionally during the last few years. Keep on kicking him.
I still doubt if he's really going to come in and shoot up the town. If he wants a gun do you really think the NICS is ultimately going to stop him ?



First, NCIS is the Navy Criminal Investigative Service, we are referring to NCIC.

Second, under US Gun law, anyone with a protective order against them cannot legally own a gun, of course, considering that for state and local agencies, the input of the necessary data is purely voluntary.

Third, the "historic" dramas I was referring to were Braveheart and Patriot. I have to admit, the Brits never locked an entire town or village in a church and burned them alive, first, and second, as far as the story of William Wallace, everybody that knows anything about history considers that one the biggest joke in "historic" drama.




lovmuffin -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:01:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
First, NCIS is the Navy Criminal Investigative Service, we are referring to NCIC.

Second, under US Gun law, anyone with a protective order against them cannot legally own a gun, of course, considering that for state and local agencies, the input of the necessary data is purely voluntary.


Right, NCIC then but the key point revolves around the word legal. Surely you don't really think if someone is thwarted by a background check they can't still obtain a firearm, especially someone such as Mel. I'm not saying we shouldn't fix the system and the other things you have been suggesting on these threads but those things, while helpful will not in and of itself fix the problem.

I don't know specifically what the problem with Braveheart was but The Patriot was fiction and not meant to depict precise historical data. It was still an excellent movie.




mnottertail -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:06:44 PM)

nobody expects a total fix to any problem, in fact, it is the nutsucker desire in all cases to let problems fester.

One expects if you can take some SOME some some mental defectives and criminals away from guns, there may be less of this sort of thing.

Not an end to this sort of thing.




Kirata -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:12:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

If he wants a gun do you really think the NICS is ultimately going to stop him ?

First, NCIS is the Navy Criminal Investigative Service, we are referring to NCIC.

Well hold on there. He didn't say NCIS, and it isn't NCIC either...

He said NICS, which is correct.

K.





thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:24:48 PM)

It was still an excellent movie.

The critics did not think so.




lovmuffin -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:33:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

If he wants a gun do you really think the NICS is ultimately going to stop him ?

First, NCIS is the Navy Criminal Investigative Service, we are referring to NCIC.

Well hold on there. He didn't say NCIS, and it isn't NCIC either...

He said NICS, which is correct.

K.




And I took his word for it just to see if someone would catch it [8D]




lovmuffin -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:35:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

It was still an excellent movie.

The critics did not think so.


Fuck the critics and fuck you too, I liked the movie.




thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:38:43 PM)


ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


ORIGINAL: thompsonx

It was still an excellent movie.

The critics did not think so.

Fuck the critics and fuck you too, I liked the movie.


Obviously...but just because you liked it does not make it an exellent movie. Just curious do you eat with that mouth?




BamaD -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/5/2015 1:47:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
First, NCIS is the Navy Criminal Investigative Service, we are referring to NCIC.

Second, under US Gun law, anyone with a protective order against them cannot legally own a gun, of course, considering that for state and local agencies, the input of the necessary data is purely voluntary.


Right, NCIC then but the key point revolves around the word legal. Surely you don't really think if someone is thwarted by a background check they can't still obtain a firearm, especially someone such as Mel. I'm not saying we shouldn't fix the system and the other things you have been suggesting on these threads but those things, while helpful will not in and of itself fix the problem.

I don't know specifically what the problem with Braveheart was but The Patriot was fiction and not meant to depict precise historical data. It was still an excellent movie.

The screen writer for Braveheart saw a statue. Then, according to him he avoided learning anything about Wallace beyond what was at the base of the statue. He said he had a story he wanted to tell and didn't want to taint it by knowing what acctually happened. As for the Patriot I was suspecious of the church burning scene, but though the scene where the blacks working Gibson's plantation were all free men working for wages, pure unadautrated PC.




BOXMOOR74 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/13/2015 2:21:01 PM)

There is and never wikk be a solution to the USA gun problem especially now that the original race who founded the USA will this century be a minority of the USA's population.

I descend from the founders of Jamestown from 1607 onwards on my Maternal side and on my paternal side from the Dutch ancestors who founded in about 1626 The Village in present day NYC.

I was proud to be an American citizen until JFK was killed possibly by an accidental shot by one of his body guards.

My father had guns which I never thought about until an unknown man was loose in the local woods and I was on my fathers estate with my new English bride so I grabbed my father rifle to protect us.

The bottom line is that after JFK's death I lost my love of the USA which I had held for the first 23 years of my life and as soon as possible left the USA for the UK with my late English wife.

I found that the shire I lived in for the past 47.5 years is 11 times safer in terms of deaths by homicide then a quiet backwater state like Wisc.

I weep for the Violence that is an integral part of the USA but it will never be able to be changed.





thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/13/2015 5:36:44 PM)

ORIGINAL: BOXMOOR74

There is and never wikk be a solution to the USA gun problem especially now that the original race who founded the USA will this century be a minority of the USA's population.

It would appear that your race does not speak english very well. Perhaps you might want to have a grown up help you with a dictionary. The word you are looking for is plurality.
In the usa there are more than three times as many white people as black people.
In the usa there are more than two times as many white people as brown people.
In the usa there are more than a hundred times as many white people as red people.
In the usa there are more than twenty times as many white people as yellow people.
For the verbally challanged not being a majority does not necessarily make you a minority.
Bigots on the other hand do not have a problem opening their mouths to change feet.[8|]



I descend from the founders of Jamestown from 1607 onwards on my Maternal side and on my paternal side from the Dutch ancestors who founded in about 1626 The Village in present day NYC.

Yours was the family that murdered the locals who feed and clothed them? Now that is something to be proud of?[8|]





JVoV -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/13/2015 5:53:32 PM)

Lol. I love grammar nazi fails.

You had me at "bogots".




thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/13/2015 6:02:42 PM)

bogots,bogots,bogots,bogots...one day I will learn to type/spell




thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/14/2015 4:20:53 AM)

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Lol. I love grammar nazi fails.

Perhaps a little slower read of my post could disabuse you of the belief that it was a grammar issue rather than a bigotry issue. The post was claiming an imagined victimhood of the "white race" when in fact, nothing could be farther from reality.




PeonForHer -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/14/2015 5:52:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

bogots,bogots,bogots,bogots...one day I will learn to type/spell


'Bogots' sound like something that cyborgs would suffer if they were to get colds or flu.

Just saying.




BamaD -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/14/2015 11:21:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

bogots,bogots,bogots,bogots...one day I will learn to type/spell


'Bogots' sound like something that cyborgs would suffer if they were to get colds or flu.

Just saying.

Maybe it is someone biased against the Borg?




thompsonx -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/14/2015 11:32:21 AM)


ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

bogots,bogots,bogots,bogots...one day I will learn to type/spell


'Bogots' sound like something that cyborgs would suffer if they were to get colds or flu.

Just saying.


I think that is called bogotiria[:D]




bounty44 -> RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. (11/17/2015 7:32:44 AM)

historic arguments aside, is one of the best present reasons to have weapons is because the bad guys have them and "gun free" zones are liberal fantasies as well as killers' fish in a barrel?

"Armed Ohio Teachers Trained to Cut 'Active Shooter' Killing Time"

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Roughly 40 school districts in Ohio allow teachers to pack concealed guns in the classroom, and more and more of them are getting trained on how to stop an "active shooter."

"Safety of our kids should not be a controversial issue. This is not about guns," Jim Irvine, of FASTERsaveslives.org and the Buckeye Firearms Foundation, told Fox News.

"For nearly 60 years, not one student has died from a fire. That is due to a redundant, overlapping approach to safety. We should be copying that same method for incidents of violence in our schools. You need something that is effective. Show us another method and we would invest in it..."

Superintendent John Scheu, of a 3,500-student school district in Sidney, Ohio, said his district adopted a new policy allowing concealed-carry in the wake of the attack in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman killed 20 young children and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary.

"It made us as a school district look at the system we had in place to keep our children safe," said Scheu. "We quickly learned that we didn’t have anything in place. We decided to be pro-active."


http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/armed-ohio-teachers-active/2015/11/17/id/702438/

but then this:

•Gun Owners Split on Concealed Weapons in Schools




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