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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 8:24:59 AM

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crumpet, you are aware that by using proxies you aren't fooling the people who can look into about everything? It's like using encryption, it makes you more suspicious for certain agencies, who then might just take a closer look.

If you want to be really anonymous, buy a smartphone with cash, buy a phone card with cash, wait a few weeks until you activate them (by then the CCTV footage is deleted) never use it from your home, obviously only works in the US as most other countries want verification as part of crime prevention.

Though I really do wonder if that is worth all the trouble.

Same with all the profiles, I'd understand it if it would make your life somewhat better, as a woman I'm just "Those guys are a nuisance, the pounce on just about anything" so why would I spend more time on a nuisance than is absolutely needed? I guess I'm lacking enough masochism...

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 8:32:43 AM

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I do appreciate the explanation. I'm a crack shot with the search feature here but I'm the biggest computer twit on the entire site. I always have to ask how/why things work the way they do.

Geolocation is, unfortunately, getting better and better every day.

The simplest geolocator on the web (too simple, but, good enough just to show the point) is: http://whatismyipaddress.com

There is a LOT of information in an IP address, especially if you're on cable (less so in DSL). FOr example, if you send me an email from using certain mail servers, I can tell if you're at work, at your boyfriend's house, or at home, just based on the first header ABOVE the subject line that shows an IP address (the rest of the IP headers are easily faked; but the one closest to the Subject line is much harder to fake). I have telnetted to the SMTP servers directly, so, I have intimate knowledge of faking IP address headers.

Sometimes, it's better not to know this stuff though. I used to have a girlfriend, who, I always suspected wasn't telling me the truth - but - every time I checked her headers, she was exactly where she said she was. I felt bad because I wasn't always where I said "I" was, but, I knew enough to be careful what mail server I used that didn't show the correct IP address. She didn't know a thing, yet, she was ALWAYS exactly where she said she was, even when explaining why she had to miss a rendezvous.

My take on IP addresses is that you're basically dead if you don't obfuscate your geolocation all the time. I already am extremely well known on the Internet, so, I'm dead already. You can't take it back. For example, if you have ever done banking using Safari on an ipad or iphone, you're dead. Forever. They already gave you a unique HSTS ID, and that's it. They know everywhere you have been. And there is no way you can delete that information. It's BRANDED into your istuff. Apple knew about this from at least the middle of January this year but apparently Apple has no plans to fix it. At least Chrome and Mozilla are taking measures to begin fixing this new exploit. But there will be another. And another. And another.

Unless you change your IP address to be someone else's IP address, you're basically known to the world. And to your kids. And to your grandkids. In the future, basically, EVERYTHING we write here will be easily found by our grand kids who will know "we" said it.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
This is the only time that I've moved that I haven't changed the location on this profile. (I got this cleared by former Mods because of certain circumstances.) If I hadn't moved 4,000 miles away, I'd have never known it wasn't from local.

I understand.
Had I not used a proxy, I wouldn't know that their script is too stupid to figure out where I'm posting from (perhaps it's Afghanistan today?) even though my profile has some (also faked) zip code in it, and, Lord knows what I have listed as my current town in the optional searchable field.

Do not feel bad about having a different town listed as your zip code as your IP address geolocation.
I can run a 25-mile radius search and it brings up people from Kansas.
This is because the CS search feature works off the zip code that you originally put in your profile.
This zip code is hidden, but it can be anything (I'm not sure what they use for outside the world because I long ago forgot what I entered for my Kazakstan profiles).

As far as I know, here is what they have on "location" for each of us:
1. The most important location information is the IP address that you come in as (they geolocate it down to your specific ISP's service area for that block of IP addresses)
2. The next most important location information is the ZIP code you put (hidden) in the profile.
3. The least important location information is what you voluntarily list in the location field of your profile form.

The latter two are searchable by all, but the IP address is only known to CS staff.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 8:38:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
crumpet, you are aware that by using proxies you aren't fooling the people who can look into about everything? It's like using encryption, it makes you more suspicious for certain agencies, who then might just take a closer look.

Oh, I'm aware. Trust me, I'm aware. If you look at the prior post, you'll note that I already said "I'm dead".
I read every single paper published that I could find that Snowden released.
I am all over the security forums. In fact, I left one forum and they started LOOKING for me (they thought I had met an ill-intentioned LE agent).
Guess what? They found me. You know what they did? They sent me a T shirt! Yup. A forum T shirt.
Right to my home address, with a note saying they're glad I was well.

This was after taking pains to be security conscious.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 8:56:52 AM

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The more you play cloak and dagger, the more flags you trigger, pretty simple

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 8:57:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
If you want to be really anonymous, buy a smartphone with cash, buy a phone card with cash, wait a few weeks until you activate them (by then the CCTV footage is deleted) never use it from your home, obviously only works in the US as most other countries want verification as part of crime prevention.

I completely understand what you say about smartphones, as I use a burner phone for the Gmail verification requests (eventually, if you use Tor, Gmail will get mad at you and FORCE you to verify with a SMS message).

But, as you must know, phones (and routers) are particularly weak because of a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that your adversary can easily download firmware into either of them to make it do whatever they want. They tapped people's conversations, for example, by changing the phone to stay on even though the phone was turned off. They fly overhead EVERY SINGLE DAY all throughout the country, and collect, en masse, tens of thousands of us, in a dragnet, that pinpoints everything about you, and then they save it in a massive vault out west. Even the phone company itself is saving the triangulation information, which, on the older iOS 8.(I think.zero.point.four and below) CAN NOT BE TURNED OFF!

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Though I really do wonder if that is worth all the trouble.

There are two quotes that I may paraphrase which summarize my thoughts on that truthful statement.
1. Those who forgo freedom for safety deserve neither (or something to that effect), and,
2. Security is like cleanliness; the effort to clean between the toes and in the cracks never ends (I made that one up - but the point is that it security is never ending).

The moment we get lax on security, the schmutze between our toes starts to grow until it bites us in another way.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Same with all the profiles, I'd understand it if it would make your life somewhat better, as a woman I'm just "Those guys are a nuisance, the pounce on just about anything" so why would I spend more time on a nuisance than is absolutely needed? I guess I'm lacking enough masochism...

Naah. You're better off that way. You just lack tremendous amounts of bone-jolting sex-driven mind-dumbing testosterone!
Men are driven by testosterone. Sure, women climb mountains, but men do so more. Of course women fly to the moon, but men do it more.
Yes women ride fast bikes, but men do it more. Women pick fights, but men do it more. Women start wars, but men do it more.

Yet, women are catching up, albeit slowly.
For example, women easily outnumber men in higher education nowadays.
And, if the news is any arbiter of truth (which it's not), female teachers are getting arrested (more than before?) for having sex with their underage schoolchildren.
[Call me a double-standard bastard if you will ... but any teacher that looks like some of those teachers in the news ... could have me any day she wanted when I was 15! I just hope I'd not be dumb enough to tell my friends or my parents because that would ruin the gig!]

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As far as I know, here is what they have on "location" for each of us:
1. The most important location information is the IP address that you come in as (they geolocate it down to your specific ISP's service area for that block of IP addresses)
2. The next most important location information is the ZIP code you put (hidden) in the profile.
3. The least important location information is what you voluntarily list in the location field of your profile form.

Actually, I lied, They have far more, depending on what is "in" your profile.
4. For example, you may have uploaded a JPG which has TONS of information that can pinpoint you down to the corner of your house where the photo was snapped.
5. They have your email address (not only the fake one you give them in the profile but any real one you hand to interesting correspondents)
6. They know EVERYTHING you said in your CS mail (which, as history shows, will eventually be leaked to the net so that your grandkids will read it in the future)

What else do "they" (CS) know about our location?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 8:58:48 AM

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Re: the ads:

Of course the images are of real people, instead of drawings or incredibly detailed computer renderings. Presumably they're images of popular members. Last I checked they directed you to alt.com, which would explain why you'd see some pictures of people you know to be real and active members of the community.

Re: scammers:

Interestingly enough, one of the fastest growing target demographics (possibly already having passed twentysomething men) is older women. Which shouldn't be that surprising. Older people tend to have more money, less tech savvy, and older women in particular tend not to draw as much attention. Still, it shows that a simple gender narrative based only on young people fails to give the whole story.

Re: the new user deluge:

I'm actually more curious what a twentysomething female inbox would look like when the user is not fresh meat. Obviously the first round of messages will be people looking to pounce. The second round will be a not unexpected surge in local activity; most people have already seen most of the locals and have either ruled them out or been rejected by them. Somebody new is a new chance. What I wonder is what happens to that same user after those two waves pass.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:07:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
The more you play cloak and dagger, the more flags you trigger, pretty simple

I use Tails.
Do you know that every single person who visited the Tails web site, according to Snowden reports, is put on a list of potential terrorists?

I use Tor.
Do you know that the NSA not only targets Tor users (saying "Damn you Tor" and "Thank you Tor" in Snowden data), but ADMITTED a recently patched Tor exploit that sent the real IP address, real NIC MAC address, real hostname, and real username of EVERY visitor to thousands of sites, to Reston Virginia for further analysis.

I change my MAC address every few minutes.
Do you know that every time you visit a hotspot, not only do they often see your HOME SSID first (because PCs often broadcast that they are "looking" for the home SSID before they realize it's not there, and only then do they look for a local SSID), but they also see your UNIQUE mac address? Yup. That MAC address is unique to your exact laptop. (See NSA exploit above.)

I use abbreviations:
I'm all over the Internet (perhaps scores upon scores of posts per day), asking questions with the keywords of TOR, NSA, CIA, FBI, NBIC, WMATA, AQIM, TTP, etc.
(Aside: here is a list of just some keywords that will get you on the list! http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-prism-keywords-for-domestic-spying-2013-6)
These Are Supposedly The Words That Make The NSA Think You're A Terrorist

Given I'm all over the net, and that I use these words DAILY, and that I have been to Russia, China, Germany (yes, Germany - ask me how I know), Israel, etc., I'm pretty sure "they" know who I am.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:14:25 AM

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None of the pics was snapped in my house, unless you are LE or have an insider in the company (or you are a super talented hacker in which case you find me anyway) my IP ends nearby. a big building with about 100 different offices.
Any digital pics have the relevant info removed

After a mistake a few years ago which lead to me having a stalker, I am very careful with my "real" email addy

I don't have kids, I don't plan to have kids, even my cats and dogs are neutered, so I won't embarrass their offspring. If somebody wants to read through all my CS mail, I hope they don't expire from terminal boredom.

Due to my work and hubby's work, we went through security clearance a few times, let's say what they knew was a bit of an eye opener, but they don't care about unusual hobbies, they care if you are a blackmail risk, we're not, they're happy with that.

CS, if interested enough to look, will possibly know that I live in an affluent part of the country, tend to log in from several cities all over the world (so they know I travel a lot, possibly like a lot of others), they'll know I use a Mac and most likely that I have a damned fast internet connection.

Should I be worried?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:17:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Don't say it like it's a bad thing ;) However the "polish" most of them want to use is nothing I want on my shoes...

As an aside to the topic of this thread, but related to that point you make, I never understood why a huge amount of energy is spent on men licking women's shoes.
I don't get it.

I can't see the appeal to the men nor, certainly to the women.

The only appeal it would have for me, is if "she" got a kick out of it; but otherwise - bleh.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:24:07 AM

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I wasn't talking about spit

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:25:39 AM

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I might ask the same of you, but I already know the answer. More questions about gender differences where patient posters answer you and you fail to understand anything.

When you stop asking questions, even of what seems obvious, then you are either dead or dumb.
I don't equate myself with Newton, but, don't you think he looked at the apocryphal apple differently than most?
Didn't' Mendel look at peas differently? Didn't Mendeleev look at atomic weights differently?
Einstein certainly looked at cats differently.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I assume you are getting paid for all this "research and data mining".

I wish. I envy guys like Derek Muller who made this video, for example, whose brain works just the polar opposite of yours, apparently:
https://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Otherwise you and your fake profiles might have become the most annoying posters here.

Nobody forced you to log in, go to the message boards, see who authored the thread, and then respond to the thread.
In fact, since you added absolutely zero value, you are actually wasting our time responding to you.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
And that's saying a lot.

I guess, for you, that's a lot.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:37:01 AM

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I wasn't talking about spit

Ewwwww....

Now, I have been called the Master of Shit (when, in reality, I only have a Bachelor's degree in Shit), but, shit and pee and sticking the heel of a shoe in an exit only, is even worse then bleh.

May I ask a question that has always confounded me, but, which is germane to whatever it is that they want to put on your shoes?

I realize that women have very few articles of clothing, nowadays, that offsets them from men, what with pants and blouses and sneakers and jeans and earrings, and even pretty colors no longer being only the domain of one sex or the other.

So, what do women have left that is ONLY feminine?
What can women wear that is unmistakably only for female use?

1. Dresses ?(yet, even dresses in the form of robes, historical clothing, and Celtic culture were worn by men).
2. Bras? (I don't think men yet have appropriated the bra - although women have taken the truth-in-packaging a bit far, all the while calling "me" fake when they're faking it every single day in the real world)
3. Corsets? (do men ever wear them in "normal" garb?)
4. Fishnet stockings? (I don't think men, as a habit, wear fishnets, yet, do they?)
5. High heels (Yay! I think only women wear high heels!)

Given that the domain of men's clothing has been taken over by women, and, in part, even the domain of women's clothing has been taken over by men, I think perhaps the most identifiably female item of clothing that has NOT been under attack by men is the use of high heels (in all their forms), the effeminate Prince and Elton and Michael notwithstanding.

Given that, I think the SYMBOLISM of high heels is critical, to we men, in our testosterone fueled sexual frenzies that we undergo daily, like hurricanes building up in the summer.
So, I get the ultimately purely feminine symbolism of high heels. I get that.

What I don't get is the connection of that with other body fluids, and spit is one of them, yet, you're alluding to unspecified others.
Why the connection?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:40:04 AM

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Geolocation is, unfortunately, getting better and better every day.

The simplest geolocator on the web (too simple, but, good enough just to show the point) is: http://whatismyipaddress.com

There is a LOT of information in an IP address, especially if you're on cable (less so in DSL). FOr example, if you send me an email from using certain mail servers, I can tell if you're at work, at your boyfriend's house, or at home, just based on the first header ABOVE the subject line that shows an IP address (the rest of the IP headers are easily faked; but the one closest to the Subject line is much harder to fake). I have telnetted to the SMTP servers directly, so, I have intimate knowledge of faking IP address headers.

It's a bad thing to say but I'm probably not the person who should hear this information. It might be a post I have MP take a look at though. He's way better with this kind of stuff.

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Sometimes, it's better not to know this stuff though. I used to have a girlfriend, who, I always suspected wasn't telling me the truth - but - every time I checked her headers, she was exactly where she said she was. I felt bad because I wasn't always where I said "I" was, but, I knew enough to be careful what mail server I used that didn't show the correct IP address. She didn't know a thing, yet, she was ALWAYS exactly where she said she was, even when explaining why she had to miss a rendezvous.

There's no nice way to say this. You do realize that's kind of creepy, right? We're going to have to have a difference of opinion of whether that's cool or not.

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My take on IP addresses is that you're basically dead if you don't obfuscate your geolocation all the time. I already am extremely well known on the Internet, so, I'm dead already. You can't take it back. For example, if you have ever done banking using Safari on an ipad or iphone, you're dead. Forever. They already gave you a unique HSTS ID, and that's it. They know everywhere you have been. And there is no way you can delete that information. It's BRANDED into your istuff. Apple knew about this from at least the middle of January this year but apparently Apple has no plans to fix it. At least Chrome and Mozilla are taking measures to begin fixing this new exploit. But there will be another. And another. And another.

Unless you change your IP address to be someone else's IP address, you're basically known to the world. And to your kids. And to your grandkids. In the future, basically, EVERYTHING we write here will be easily found by our grand kids who will know "we" said it.

Oddly enough, that might not be a bad thing. It could be used for certain positives.

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I understand.
Had I not used a proxy, I wouldn't know that their script is too stupid to figure out where I'm posting from (perhaps it's Afghanistan today?) even though my profile has some (also faked) zip code in it, and, Lord knows what I have listed as my current town in the optional searchable field.

Yeah, that zip code thing is usually what people have trouble with when they do move and want to change the location on the profile. It's funny the stuff you can learn from the boards sometimes.

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Do not feel bad about having a different town listed as your zip code as your IP address geolocation.

Oh, I don't. I regret that it has to be that way but it's the better option.

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I can run a 25-mile radius search and it brings up people from Kansas.
This is because the CS search feature works off the zip code that you originally put in your profile.
This zip code is hidden, but it can be anything (I'm not sure what they use for outside the world because I long ago forgot what I entered for my Kazakstan profiles).

I don't know if it's the most popular number that folks put in there but 99999 tends to be a go to for some folks. Yet, they won't look it up to know the proper abbreviation for the state. I've had real life mail from friends that had to be sent again for the same reason.

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As far as I know, here is what they have on "location" for each of us:
1. The most important location information is the IP address that you come in as (they geolocate it down to your specific ISP's service area for that block of IP addresses)
2. The next most important location information is the ZIP code you put (hidden) in the profile.
3. The least important location information is what you voluntarily list in the location field of your profile form.

The latter two are searchable by all, but the IP address is only known to CS staff.

Good thing I'm not staff, huh?

However, if you should ever happen to be talking to New Mod at some point in the future about some other thing, it would be really cool if you'd ask them if they know how to do the IP jumping around thing. I know people don't think so but it's not going to shock me if the wrong person tried to track Admins down via the way you've described. I wouldn't want to see that kind of thing happen if it can be avoided.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:45:55 AM

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Don't you think there are questions that are worth asking and some are just not so worth asking?

Again, I could wonder A LOT why I get messages that go straight to the bin, just like I could wonder why guys use terrible pick up lines in bars and pubs, you just go "Oh please..." and move on. I also don't obsess why one of my dogs circles 3 times counter clockwise before having a poop, he just does.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 9:54:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
my IP ends nearby. a big building with about 100 different offices.

I understand fully.
They "can" track that down to you, but, they'd have to care enough to associate your unique MAC address to the router you connected with, etc., and that's just too much for an outsider sans subpoena.

Please DO be careful about the HOME SSID though.

For example, if your home SSID is, say, "Lady Constanze", then just know that, under very common situations, that SSID is broadcast to EVERY hotspot you visit.
Yes, that means that work knows all about your SSID of "Lady Constanze", because under very common circumstances, that SSID is broadcast first, and your device only starts listening after that broadcast.
EDIT: Since you're on a Mac, that might not be the case since I know PCs do it but I never checked if the Mac does the same thing.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Any digital pics have the relevant info removed

Many people don't know that there is a thumbnail saved of the ORIGINAL picture, even after folks cropped out their grandmother and two cats.
Also, it's not easy for an outsider, but each photo has a fingerprint of its own.
I get around that by running a script that runs a filter on all my photos, at the same time that it strips out the EXIF information (often replacing it with faked EXIF information); but my point is that I agree with you that, once you strip out the EXIF tags, what's left is fingerprintable, but, only to someone who cares to spend a lot of energy on tracking you down to your specific camera.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
After a mistake a few years ago which lead to me having a stalker, I am very careful with my "real" email addy

What shocked me was that a forum that I actively TRIED to be anonymous on, sent a get-well T-shirt to my home!
I'm no longer surprised by anything, when it comes to the lack of privacy and security we all endure.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I don't have kids, I don't plan to have kids, even my cats and dogs are neutered...

That's funny, and I appreciate the humor of the neutered cats and dogs (they don't care anyway - 'cuz they're neutered!).
But, you do have relatives, right?
Are all of them as open minded as you are?
Are any of them highly "J" types (speaking of Myers-Briggs personalities)?
Do you have an employer who may either be a "J" type or out to get you?

Anyway, you don't need to answer as these are rhetorical questions.
My point is that we all should have at least one person we don't want to know what we're doing.
It's called privacy.
It's why we lick our envelopes. It's why we close the blinds at night. It's why we shut the bathroom door when we take your shoes into the bathroom.
(Ooops. Now I said too much!).

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Due to my work and hubby's work, we went through security clearance a few times, let's say what they knew was a bit of an eye opener, but they don't care about unusual hobbies, they care if you are a blackmail risk, we're not, they're happy with that.

Yes. I understand. I went through the same. They ask a lot. And they do TALK to everyone you say is your friend or relative. And they do talk to others.
In my case, it was both blackmail and loyalty that they seemed to be all about in their very detailed interviews.

And, I'm sure, they SAVE all that stuff (as Utah Congressman Chaffetz found out very publicly about his 2003 Secret Service interviews).

Given that, almost certainly, they are abusing your (and my) personal information.
They have abused your privacy. They will abuse your privacy.
They are probably abusing our privacy right now, given that we're talking about them in a not-nice way (ask Chaffetz if you think they are above that).

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Should I be worried?

Given that CS employs basically no security whatsoever, not even the bare basics, you should assume your login and password (or the unique hash, which is essentially the same thing functionally) is known to every hotspot that you have ever visited, and to any people in the vicinity of every hotspot you have ever logged in from. You can assume your home SSID, and your unique MAC address are also known to all of these people.

This means that someone can SELL that information to others, who may have nefarious intent.
Should you be worried?

No more than the rest of us.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 10:09:50 AM

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When I was stalked I was also outed, lost 2 jobs, massive rift in the family, and you know how it happened? Gave my email addy to the wrong person, all they did was check FB and LinkedIn and the fun started, knew who it was but couldn't track him down as he used burner phones to do the dirty....

Now? Self-employed, work in "crisis communication" and the people I work for will think my kinks fairly mild, most know because if I spin doctor their little "indiscretions" they are pretty grateful that I don't need an explanation and that not a lot can shock me, they know that I drop the line when it comes to minors or somebody not consenting and I have dropped clients for this.
On average, some of them have been ordered to buy burner phones for ordering certain services, trust me, some did it from their private or work emails and phones. One of them actually once gave an escort my work email addy as a reference. I ripped him a new one and pointed out that he's a freaking idiot for using A) the work email, B) giving her his home address and phone, C) using the person who will be busting her ass to make the scandal go away in case it happens as a reference D) using my work email as a reference

Once I was done with him, he possibly needed new eardrums, and as a little revenge I did give him the reference but let's say I pointed the lady into a direction that he didn't enjoy, so his encounter wasn't very good.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 10:13:26 AM

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There's no nice way to say this. You do realize that's kind of creepy, right? We're going to have to have a difference of opinion of whether that's cool or not.

Perfectly reasonable for you to think that.
I have a friend who habitually throws his ipad into the back of his car when his teen borrows it.
He tells me she always goes exactly where she says she goes.
However, lots of parents don't keep track of their kids (remember the ads of yesteryear ... "It's 10 pm; Do you know where you kids are?".
Some of those kids NOT being watched are the ones doing mischief.

In my case, it's habitual that I peek at the headers of emails.
It's no different than looking at the subject line.
Or the date.

That's why it's there, by the way.
(Do you think they put it there for absolutely no reason?)

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 10:22:25 AM

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Yeah, that zip code thing is usually what people have trouble with when they do move and want to change the location on the profile. It's funny the stuff you can learn from the boards sometimes.

I agree. The zip code thing is only mentioned explicitly when you first create a US profile.
Then you never see it again unless you click on the "My Account" button.
Actually, I once used this happenstance to my gain.

There was a woman I was interested in, whom I wanted to contact me, but I couldn't figure out, even after reading her profile, what to say (I'm amazingly too shy sometimes, surprisingly perhaps to some, when it comes to APPROACHING women).

Sure, I read the entire profile. Every last word (as I always do). I read the journal. I looked for forum posts. I reverse searched the picture to find the Google+ profile and did a Spokeo search on that to find other profiles. All the normal stuff I did. But, I still didn't have anything to say to her that didn't sound stupid. (Bear in mind, her profiles were often in a language which I google translated to be most likely of an Indonesian origin, so, I was a bit out of my league, having only been to Indonesia once before).

Knowing the first shot is often the only one, what I then did was change my zip code to be closer to her. It only took a few iterations before I was 1 mile away from her section of town, which is close enough for government work. So now I knew the specific subsection of the town, the eateries, and, most importantly, the upcoming events in that specific locale, which allowed me to make a move that (a) didn't sound stupid, and (b) that worked for me (rest of long story omitted).

Of course, that zip-code-location trick only works if she puts her real zip code in that profile field.

EDIT: BTW, to the guys out there reading this for hints, almost always the ladies you look up on Spokeo have Pandora profiles. Make sure you PUT ALL THEIR SONGS on your iPod (or whatever you play in your car when you pick them up!). It's hard to explain, but it works wonders if she believes whatever you have to tell her as to why you seem to know all her favorite songs before you've even met! :)

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 10:26:05 AM

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I wasn't talking about spit

Ewwwww....

May I ask a question that has always confounded me, but, which is germane to whatever it is that they want to put on your shoes?

What I don't get is the connection of that with other body fluids, and spit is one of them, yet, you're alluding to unspecified others.
Why the connection?

Spunk, sperm, cum, boy juice... Whatever name you prefer, thought that was fairly clear.... And call me a prude, but the spunk of some stranger on my shoes is more icky than stepping into a dog turd (I hasten to add that I always clean up after my dogs)

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 10/30/2015 10:48:18 AM

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Spunk, sperm, cum, boy juice...

Ug. Eeewww.
What the heck?
I guess I am naive.
It didn't occur to me one bit.
Sorry for being dense. Sometimes I have a brain fart and nothing works inside.
Jeeeesuz. Ick. Blah. <shakes head in disgust>

I do not profess to understand why anyone would want their sperm on someone's shoes.

I guess, if I think hard, we males are biologically programmed to put sperm INSIDE of a womb, and, by association, inside of a female (hopefully of the same species).
I guess if you start to stretch that association in a predictable way, getting that sperm inside her stomach through her mouth is the next best thing (although doomed to fail for procreative purposes).

Extending that further, her boobs.
Flipping her over and extending it not too far, we would have her anus.

But, there's where "my" idea of obvious extensions stop.
So, it didn't occur to me (although, funny that poop occurred to me before sperm ... oh oh ... Freud ... don't say it!. Don't even think it'.)

Well, I guess if the point needs to be made that it's sperm juice, now I really don't understand.
What good is it to put sperm on shoes?

I can see if SHE wants MY sperm on HER shoes. I'd do it, not for me, but for her.
That is, if she really really really wanted it, I'd do it (I guess).
No harm done (except, perhaps, to the shoes?).

But, what on earth would possess a guy to want to coat your shoes with that when (a) it does nothing for you apparently, and (b) even worse, you don't want it, and, most importantly, (c), it's not something YOU directed him to do in the first place?

Makes no sense.

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