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I was waiting for some conservative to announce this one....
Some guy with a knife manages to injure some individuals. A pair of gun totting individuals wrecked havoc in California and days earlier, one pro-lifer shot up a Planned Parenthood clinic. What all the gun nuts hate to admit: Firearms are much more efficient tools for injuring and killing humans. Might be....WHY....we arm our soldiers with such tools before going into battle. You can have a knife that kills one or two at close range, or thirty at about three hundred yards. Tactically speaking, its not to hard to figure which tool is the greater threat to society.
Likewise it is....much...easier to take down a knife wielding opponent than one armed with a 233/556 semi auto assault rifle. To say otherwise is to deny reality, fact, and physics.
In a crowded room, an individual might be able to injure/kill up to a half dozen individuals. The rest either flee or team up to over power the attacker. With a 233/556 semi auto assault rifle with thirty round mag; that same person could drop half the crowd in the opening half dozen seconds of the surprise attack. Drop the empty mag and reload in under four seconds (no real time to stage a counter attack) while mowing down the remainder. One has to be in total denial of reality to argue to me that someone with a knife can 'out injure/kill' someone with such a rifle. It would take considerable skill to succeed in such a task with a inife; while it takes practically nothing (in comparison) to load, operate, and kill many in the same time frame with a firearm.
In tests it has been shown whenever someone with a handgun tried to mount a defense against a surprise attack, was eliminated in every instance. Their rate of survival only rose when they fled like everyone else. In each of these mass shootings, why have we not seen 'honest and law abiding' gun nut whipping out their CCW and taking down the active shooter directly? Instead when the shots fly....EVERYONE...including those that had CCWs fled the area. It was only when an...ACTUAL...."...Well Regulated Militia..." (i.e. the Cops) systematically bore down on the attacker did the shooting end. Yes, I'm sure the gun nuts can find a very well 'cherry picked' situation that supports their insane ideology. Yet there have been more mass shootings in the last three years than days on the calendar!
The California attackers easily by-passed all the gun controls in place with flying colors. That tells me the existing laws do....NOTHING...to protect society. After all, anyone with a firearm is potentially a mass murder. How do we, as society, know they will not go on a shooting rampage? Oh, that's right, we have 'their word', that they will not do it. Yet, if anyone asked a day before to that couple, "Would you kill people as a criminal/terrorist attack with your guns", they would say (just like anyone else with a gun whom REALLY wouldn't do such a thing) "Nope". Gun nuts do not trust anyone, yet demand unconditional trust from anyone towards them. Don't trust me? Then I don't trust you. Since I don't trust you; I'll get laws that force you through a shit load of hoops to obtain and MORE just to use a firearm. That is the price for not trusting me in the first place. Bitch at me about the 2nd amendment 'protections'? Fine, we revoke it. Wouldn't be the first time this nation revoked an amendment because the majority of people were against something. Get the idea that I'm (an ever growing nation of individuals) are not happy with gun owners/nuts? When you shovel shit like this RealOne, is helping my arguments out more and more.
I was waiting for that one liberal who would try to skew things and he showed up.
Do you have ANY definitive...other than these 4 words from an adrenaline charged, most likely mentally ill individual: no more baby parts...proof that Mr. Dear is a pro-lifer? An interview none of the rest of us have been privy too...a membership card...anything other than his ex-wife's word for it (and we know what unbiased sources exes are)?
The two in California are not just individuals, Joether. The two in California are not just attackers, Joether. They are...come on, you can say this...you certainly have the words when the attacker is White.
The attackers were Muslims..radicalized...one of them even pledged allegiance to ISIS via Facebook DURING the attack.
The gun laws in California are among the stiffest in the Nation...yet they could have been stiffer and it would not have made any difference. The pair obtained the two AR-15 STYLE weapons from a friend. They circumvented the law. They modified the weapons. They broke the law. When people like this want to break the bigger laws..."it is illegal to assault someone. Using a weapon makes the crime worse. Killing someone is a capital offense"...then breaking or circumventing the smaller laws, no matter how restrictive, doesn't matter. The only ones the laws matter to are those who have no intention of breaking them. The LAW-ABIDING citizens.
How many times does this need to be explained to you? And yes, Joether...you, and others who think like you, are the ones who I'm talking to. You come up with some shut about a Firearms Myth Testing Lab and expects us to go for it. You ask for facts and when they're presented to you in a way you can't argue against, you ignore them...even when I and others have asked you for a response.
There are posters from both sides willing to look at changes...once the laws that are in place are enforced. Both sides again agree that those systems put into place to do the monitoring need to be funded so they can do just that.
But not you. You talk about trust but be honest, Joether...the ONLY person you would trust with a gun would be one following a protocol that you and others like you lay down. A protocol developed by people who fear and dislike firearms.
You want to revoke the 2ND Amendment? Go ahead and try...good luck with THAT. Bun until you and others...on both sides...can be as honest with real, rational solutions as you are with the assessment, then the assessment remains real while the solutions seem far away.
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