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bounty44 -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 3:23:52 PM)

FR

i don't watch Hannity, so I didn't see this live, but just saw it online:

"Imam Explains Why He Agrees With Trump's Ban on Muslims Entering the U.S."

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On "Hannity" tonight, a Muslim imam explained why he actually agrees with Donald Trump's proposed ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

Imam Nidal Alsayyed, religious director of the Islamic Society of Triplex in Houston, Texas, told Sean Hannity that Trump is concerned about Muslims and Islam being associated with radical terror groups.

Alsayyed said it's a "very wise move" to take safety and security measures, including putting a temporary hold on Muslim immigration, until we have figured out what's going on.


http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/09/imam-explains-why-he-agrees-trumps-ban-muslims-entering-us-hannity

excuse the sarcasm----gee, maybe he's racist and islamophobic too?

or maybe Islam's version of an "uncle tom?"




KenDckey -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 3:52:13 PM)

Two democratic Presidents have done what Trump Proposes. Why is there no discussion on them?




Politesub53 -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:20:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i figured there'd be some brit attempting this, and while I can confess I don't know the quality of uk sources, when you say you liken it to fox news, what that does tell me is, you simply don't like the position the paper takes. or at the very least, you don't really know anything about fox.

besmirching sources doesn't really work, especially when you don't actually deal with the content, or the material in the piece. you'll notice that the author created his by material found on a police forum (though that is a little problematic for me) and breitbart.

are we supposed to think therefore, in accordance with your dislike/disrespect of the paper, that the author completely fabricated the information?

or the more likely scenario---they are saying things contrary to your ideology.





Bounty, you are talking shit again. There is a big difference between police officers in London being advised to avoid the risk of a terrorist attack, and there being no go areas.

Your stupidity stops you from removing your blinkers, but none of the officers moaning about the advice they have been given claims to be sacred to walk the streets.




Real0ne -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:22:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

American authorities are warning the terror group’s followers may have infiltrated American borders with authentic-looking passports ISIS has printed itself with its own machines, according to an intelligence report obtained by ABC News.




Yeh mostly likely the same authorities that slipped mohamad attas drivers license in the back pocket of the fbi only minutes after 911.

Anyone seen a copy of this 'alleged' report?




Politesub53 -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:25:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

FFS even the Israelis dont want him to go visit.




and thats supposed to be undesirable in some way? [8|]


Just ironic that a country that is essentially wiping out Palestinian culture is also in opposition to the bigotry of Trump.



Isnt it just TK




stef -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:26:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Two democratic Presidents have done what Trump Proposes. Why is there no discussion on them?

Which Presidents have banned members of a particular religion from the US?




Real0ne -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:32:11 PM)

did better yet they threw them in concentration camps.




thompsonx -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:55:22 PM)

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Two democratic Presidents have done what Trump Proposes. Why is there no discussion on them?


This has been explaned to you before. We were at war with germany and therir allies. The iranians government was holding usa hostages. How do the actions of a fraction of a single digit percentage of muslims equate to that?




thompsonx -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:57:19 PM)

Well someone has accuse me of using racial slurs in my example of calling black people black.

If that were true then you should be able to post it. It did not happen so you are making shit up again.




thompsonx -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 4:58:23 PM)


ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Oh dear.................the Liberian Gestapo is back and being the keyboard bully as usual.


Liberian...jamacan...nigerian....speaking in code again?




thompsonx -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 5:02:05 PM)

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I could kick her ass... if she weren't looking anyway... but i would say she is not the average woman..and hey it is the Marine Corps calling this shot.

You think that she is not average...do you think marines are average?





KenDckey -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/11/2015 5:25:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Two democratic Presidents have done what Trump Proposes. Why is there no discussion on them?


This has been explaned to you before. We were at war with germany and therir allies. The iranians government was holding usa hostages. How do the actions of a fraction of a single digit percentage of muslims equate to that?

I do believe that you are talking numbers. I am talking policy. We are at war with ISIS Whether we ban 1 or 1 billion. It is the policy that counts.




ifmaz -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/12/2015 8:56:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Two democratic Presidents have done what Trump Proposes. Why is there no discussion on them?


Because everyone knows throwing a group of people into internment camps is a horrendously bad idea and it was assumed people learned from past mistakes?

It was a bad idea then and it's an even worse idea now regardless of who proposes it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/12/2015 9:01:09 AM)

FR

PolitiFact has examined 72 Trump claims and statements, declaring 45 of them “false” or “pants on fire” untrue, more than any other major presidential candidate. It rated none of Trump’s statements fully “true.”




thompsonx -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/12/2015 3:32:06 PM)

ORIGINAL: KenDckey


ORIGINAL: thompsonx


This has been explaned to you before. We were at war with germany and therir allies. The iranians government was holding usa hostages. How do the actions of a fraction of a single digit percentage of muslims equate to that?

I do believe that you are talking numbers.

That is because you want it to be about numbers which it is not.


I am talking policy.

No, you are talking out of your ass.


We are at war with ISIS Whether we ban 1 or 1 billion. It is the policy that counts.

If we were at war with the ira would you exclude all catholics?[8|]




thompsonx -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/12/2015 3:35:40 PM)

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

It was a bad idea then and it's an even worse idea now regardless of who proposes it.

Hitler did not think it was a bad idea. Show me a racist bigot who is not on board with this idea.
I double dawg dare you.





ifmaz -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/12/2015 5:49:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

It was a bad idea then and it's an even worse idea now regardless of who proposes it.

Hitler did not think it was a bad idea. Show me a racist bigot who is not on board with this idea.
I double dawg dare you.




Increasingly, if Greta supports something you can be assured it's a dumb idea.




Lucylastic -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/13/2015 5:56:01 AM)

Armed 'Three Percenters' Movement Now Confronting Muslim Americans
"We will interfere with every move they (Muslims) make towards taking over our country."
Associated Press
12/11/2015 08:54
Avi Selk/The Dallas Morning News via AP
DALLAS (AP) — They are known as "Three Percenters," followers of a movement that has rallied against gun control efforts nationwide, patrolled the U.S. border with Mexico and recently begun confronting Muslim Americans.
Followers describe themselves as armed "patriots." But some of their leaders have been blamed for threats and vandalism against lawmakers, police and Muslims. One prominent member from Phoenix prompted an FBI alert in November after posting an expletive-filled Facebook video saying he was headed to upstate New York with guns to challenge a Muslim group. A Three Percenter in suburban Dallas led a mosque protest by armed, masked men that same month.
Texas has been the scene of several other incidents this year that have raised anti-Muslim unease. Two Muslim gunmen in May were shot outside a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland. Police in Irving arrested a 14-year-old Muslim whose teachers thought his homemade clock was a bomb in September.
All this comes at a time when Texas has led a number of states trying to block the resettlement of Syrian refugees and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump called for a "complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the U.S.
"We will interfere with every move they (Muslims) make towards taking over our country," Dallas protest organizer David Wright said in response to questions the Associated Press sent to his personal Facebook page. "We are ready to fight back if they come at us violently."

Wright, who plans to protest Saturday at a different mosque, hasn't advertised the "Three Percenters" name in his activities. But he claimed membership in comments on Facebook and told the AP he was a leader in a Texas chapter. A second Facebook profile appends the Roman numeral "III" to his name, as do other Three Percenters, and features a black "III%" patch as a background photograph.
The Three Percenters movement began in 2008, galvanized by President Barack Obama's election, followers and researchers say. The name comes from the disputed percentage of colonials who armed themselves and fought the British during the American Revolution.
The number of Three Percenters is unclear partly because anyone can ascribe to the movement. The man credited as the founder has claimed 3 million on his blog. One national Three Percenters' Facebook group has about 12,000 members, including people from all 50 states.
Followers appear to consist mainly of white, male, conservative gun owners who believe the nation has been pushed to a tipping point by socialists in government aiming to disarm them, strip their constitutional rights and take their property, according to groups that track anti-government movements.
The Three Percenters lack a formal command structure, but have ideological similarities with other groups such as minutemen or militias. Their founder, a former militia member named Michael B. "Mike" Vanderboegh, stresses what he calls "armed civil disobedience."
Vanderboegh, 63, a one-time nurse's aide who lives in Pinson, Alabama, looks the part of an elderly professor. With the cadence of a Baptist preacher, he blends references to God and fist-banging disdain for "predatory government."
"What they are selling is a lie told by pathological collectivist liars ... to satisfy their insatiable appetites for your liberty and your property, even at the cost of your life," he told a crowd this year in Canon City, Colorado.
A 2009 Anti-Defamation League report called Rage Grows in America featured Vanderboegh and the Three Percenters as a growing "anti-government" movement. The Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled him an extremist.
After the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting that killed 26, Vanderboegh sent emails to hundreds of Connecticut state police officers saying they risked "initiating hostilities" if they enforced new gun-control measures.
"People like Mike Vanderboegh and others, can cause all sorts of people from the fringes who might be listening to do a violent act," said Mark Pitcavage, a defamation league expert on anti-government movements.

In 2011, one of four suspected militia members charged in a plot to attack unnamed government officials in Atlanta cited Vanderboegh's self-published online novel as inspiration, federal authorities said. Vanderboegh said at the time that the book, about a deadly federal gun raid that spurred armed citizen resistance, was merely a "useful dire warning."
Wright borrowed from Vanderboegh's tactics last month. Wright posted the names and home addresses of Muslim residents and other "Muslim sympathizers" who spoke against a city of Irving resolution they called discriminatory. Vanderboegh once shared similar information on Connecticut state senators who supported gun-control measures after the Sandy Hook shooting.
Some Three Percenters, such as Kaleb Hill, say they don't share Vanderboegh's "extreme ideology."
"We are more concerned about exposing corruption and preserving the Constitution and our God-given freedoms," said Hill, who runs a Three Percenter group and Facebook pages from Mississippi. "Those who have anti-government views are not welcome in our group."
In response to AP questions, Vanderboegh did not specifically address characterizations of him as an extremist. He said, generally speaking, that not "all folks claiming to be 'Three Percenters' are."
Little is known about Wright's past. He says on Facebook that he's a general contractor originally from Garland, Texas, but has declined to share biographical information, citing security concerns. Wright posted pictures of himself armed and talks tough about jihadists on Facebook. In July, Wright wrote: "We should be setting traps for them and exterminating them."
Wright said he and his cohorts protest only at certain Muslim locations. The mosque they plan to picket Saturday is in the same suburb, Richardson, as a now-defunct charity that federal investigators said had illegally funded Hamas, an Islamic militant group.
Wright's group promises a "peaceful" event Saturday, Richardson police spokesman Sgt. Kevin Perlich said. The group staged a demonstration there in October with less than 10 people.
"We have never hurt anyone," Wright said. "We are careful to work within the law at all times as we prepare to defend our homes and communities from any offensive forces."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/three-percenters-armed-muslim-americans_566b7a7ce4b011b83a6b6c25






ifmaz -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/13/2015 8:21:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Armed 'Three Percenters' Movement Now Confronting Muslim Americans
"We will interfere with every move they (Muslims) make towards taking over our country."
...


Ironically, these same people would probably not take issue should Christian law take over the country.




Lucylastic -> RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (12/13/2015 8:38:58 AM)

I think they think it already does




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