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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 4:53:37 PM   
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Couldn't that guy have got buckled under the Mann Act, even if he had paid her fare and sent her by plane ? He would still be transporting her across state-lines for immoral purposes. She just wouldn't be travelling with him.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 5:13:28 PM   
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yes, Lucy, my mistake..........I do apologise. The country I was thinking of actually has 12 as the age of consent and yes, it does have the highest crime rate per head of population in Europe.



Which country in Europe would that be?

Because I tried to look it up and nada

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 5:15:35 PM   
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He started talking with her when she was 16. He transported her from her home in NY to his in OK when she was 17. He told us he was a lifestyle dominant with "decades of experience". He put himself forward as our spokesperson. He went to Fetishcon, the BDSM Writers Conference, and Bondage Expo Dallas. He wanted to be, and was becoming, a Kink Rock Star.

His decades of experience was "underground". No references. He lurked on Fetlife and asked questions under the ID Xcentric1, after his Mike Sage debacle. As Mike Sage, he thought he would make a name for himself as a talker on the conservative side of the questions and back Mitt Romney for President. But the Romney campaign discovered his fake name and criminal past, and separated themselves from Mitt Romney Radio.

The guy is a veteran con artist and repeat pedo. There is a court order baring contact with his only child.

Not the guy to be listening to about age play. Or, really, anything.

Tymber Dalton is blogging about the case. She got a PACER account - anyone can get one - and is downloading new documents on the case whenever they appear. Public Access to Court Electronic Records. https://www.pacer.gov/

Her blog is at http://tymberdalton.com

She has promised that a link to the most current info on the case will always be on the front page of the blog.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 5:20:18 PM   
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It's true Lady C.........and believe it or not, it's the Vatican. Something to do with the religious law taking precedence and I believe they have a population of about 500 and they have 1,000 crimes a year or some figure like that

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 6:27:56 PM   
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Couldn't that guy have got buckled under the Mann Act, even if he had paid her fare and sent her by plane ? He would still be transporting her across state-lines for immoral purposes. She just wouldn't be travelling with him.

That one I honestly don't know. I could see it being possible, depending on the interpretation of the law. The original application of it was targeting the trafficking of women being taken to areas and forcibly put into prostitution, so I'm sure it's able to be applied if under certain terms.

Oh, and that other thing? 12? That's my ick for the day.



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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 6:30:47 PM   
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Lady P.........just another bit of useless information I have picked up during my ( happily) mis-spent life *smile*.........what would it matter anyway ? The place is full of priests who are SUPPOSED to be celibate. They too never leave their friends behind.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 6:35:17 PM   
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He started talking with her when she was 16. He transported her from her home in NY to his in OK when she was 17. He told us he was a lifestyle dominant with "decades of experience". He put himself forward as our spokesperson. He went to Fetishcon, the BDSM Writers Conference, and Bondage Expo Dallas. He wanted to be, and was becoming, a Kink Rock Star.

His decades of experience was "underground". No references. He lurked on Fetlife and asked questions under the ID Xcentric1, after his Mike Sage debacle. As Mike Sage, he thought he would make a name for himself as a talker on the conservative side of the questions and back Mitt Romney for President. But the Romney campaign discovered his fake name and criminal past, and separated themselves from Mitt Romney Radio.

The guy is a veteran con artist and repeat pedo. There is a court order baring contact with his only child.

Not the guy to be listening to about age play. Or, really, anything.

Tymber Dalton is blogging about the case. She got a PACER account - anyone can get one - and is downloading new documents on the case whenever they appear. Public Access to Court Electronic Records. https://www.pacer.gov/

Her blog is at http://tymberdalton.com

She has promised that a link to the most current info on the case will always be on the front page of the blog.

Pleasure to see you, PonyGroom. Do you know I almost wrote to you about this very thing today?

Just wanted to say thank you for providing the links. I've been a few days behind on this, so I've been trying to do research on bits and pieces.

One thing I've been very curious about is just how long has this guy been presenting? Has it only been in the last couple of years since he's come off the sexual offenders list?



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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 6:44:32 PM   
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Lady P.........just another bit of useless information I have picked up during my ( happily) mis-spent life *smile*.........what would it matter anyway ? The place is full of priests who are SUPPOSED to be celibate. They too never leave their friends behind.

Uggghhh. Bad pun.

I'm not saying we're going to alleviate all things that would fall into this category. As much as I wish we could, we're not going to be able to do that. But, when these kinds of cases come up, it's a good reminder that we're not immune.





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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 6:51:37 PM   
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At 16 I was SOOOO not interested in men old enough to be my grandfather.
Mind you, my hubby IS 16 years older than me.




Massive difference between 16 years older and 17 and 59 years old, 42 years age difference IS really a lot, I dated some older guys, but anybody the age of my dad or grandpa, I would really have been freaked out about, I guess I still would be, though Sean Connery did look pretty good for somebody who could easily be my grandpa...

oh I agree, gives me the creeps.
I stillhave a thing for sean, and sam elliott, but thas just fantasy:)


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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/5/2016 8:18:26 PM   
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He started talking with her when she was 16. He transported her from her home in NY to his in OK when she was 17. He told us he was a lifestyle dominant with "decades of experience". He put himself forward as our spokesperson. He went to Fetishcon, the BDSM Writers Conference, and Bondage Expo Dallas. He wanted to be, and was becoming, a Kink Rock Star.

His decades of experience was "underground". No references. He lurked on Fetlife and asked questions under the ID Xcentric1, after his Mike Sage debacle. As Mike Sage, he thought he would make a name for himself as a talker on the conservative side of the questions and back Mitt Romney for President. But the Romney campaign discovered his fake name and criminal past, and separated themselves from Mitt Romney Radio.

The guy is a veteran con artist and repeat pedo. There is a court order baring contact with his only child.

Not the guy to be listening to about age play. Or, really, anything.

Tymber Dalton is blogging about the case. She got a PACER account - anyone can get one - and is downloading new documents on the case whenever they appear. Public Access to Court Electronic Records. https://www.pacer.gov/

Her blog is at http://tymberdalton.com

She has promised that a link to the most current info on the case will always be on the front page of the blog.

Pleasure to see you, PonyGroom. Do you know I almost wrote to you about this very thing today?

Just wanted to say thank you for providing the links. I've been a few days behind on this, so I've been trying to do research on bits and pieces.

One thing I've been very curious about is just how long has this guy been presenting? Has it only been in the last couple of years since he's come off the sexual offenders list?




The way I read the timeline - he left the Sage fiasco behind, then took up studying BDSM. He used his Xcentric1 gmail account to get a Fetlife account and a few other social media accounts. He read up. He worked on the book but kept the project a secret. It's possible he compiled material for the book from answers other people gave to questions on large forums on Fetlife. Just before his term on the Registry expired, he created the Mike Makai persona, published the book using CreateSpace, created the House Makai web site, created the web site for the book, and a set of social media accounts and pages.

The book was not an immediate hit. On the Facebook group he created to support the book, "BDSM without the BS", members accused him of being a "One True Way" guy. On Fetlife, he took a beating for "knowing the words but not the music" of D/s. He slowly backed away from his Fetlife critics but on Facebook, he booted out anyone who disagreed with him. He gained a big cult following on Facebook.

Nobody knew he was Segaloff. This was a brand new persona, Mike Makai, decades of claimed experience, a Master heretofor unknown, and who dared challenge him?

In 2014 he got another book out and hit the road to promote himself and the books. Then more books, and more traveling. The pics he put up of his time at Fetishcon 2014 make him look like a newb, a kid in a candy store.

When he started talking to the kid in January 2015, he was a "famous author". She apparently read his books and was star struck.

By summer 2015 he had a nice set of books published. The "Warrior Princess submissive" meme had taken off. He had copied the characteristics from Alpha Slave and House Alpha types, and given the new set a catchy name. The newbies ate it up, while the experienced usually ignored him.

He went to get the underage kid on December 7. The cops in NY got a missing and endangered child report from her parents on December 8. They tracked him, his right hand helper and house member Ohana Kitten, and the kid as well, on social media and via cell phone signals. House Makai members helped him hide, and hide the kid, for a few days until local cops caught up with him.

You just cannot make up stuff like this. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/6/2016 1:37:46 PM   
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It's true Lady C.........and believe it or not, it's the Vatican. Something to do with the religious law taking precedence and I believe they have a population of about 500 and they have 1,000 crimes a year or some figure like that



Age of consent in the Vatican is 18, it used to be 12 as they were following some historic Italian law from the middle ages where people usually married with 13 or 14 and died around 30, the reason was simply that so many women died in childbirth and with 14 to 16 the female body is actually in the best shape for giving birth. And the age of consent - since that comes from the middle ages - wasn't meant for sex but marriage...

Not a great fan of the Vatican, though I think their new guy is pretty cool

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 6:27:10 AM   
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Glad he got arrested!

These guys really need to stop preying on teenage girls.



Greta :-)!

Teens need to develop their own psyche and to do this to a young person is not only wrong harmful. Sigh.
It doesn't matter what she says, if someone considers themselves worthy of administering other human beings (i.e. manager or master, doesn't matter) one should be able to see through that. Plus a 9 year difference between purported and actual age...clearly thinking with his dick.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 10:24:26 AM   
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I know earlier in the thread that Steven mentioned his slave was trying to tell people that he believed the girl was 25. I don't know how that can be flying with anyone, especially since both of the adults have told the authorities he knew she was 17 even before he went to get her. Reading the request for the warrant was a real eye opener.

Not smart in any way, shape, or form. For his sake, he'd better be hoping there will be a plea deal.


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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 11:37:57 AM   
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I am conflicted about this whole thing. First I don't believe a 17 year old is a child. Plenty of 17 year olds having sex with their boy friends and girl friends and I really do not see that as something horrible. However, he did break the law. He IS an adult and should know better. So I am for him going to jail (if convicted), if for nothing else, just for being so stupid. The fact that he's been in trouble for similar activities makes him appear to be a real sleaze.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 3:30:41 PM   
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I am conflicted about this whole thing. First I don't believe a 17 year old is a child. Plenty of 17 year olds having sex with their boy friends and girl friends and I really do not see that as something horrible. However, he did break the law. He IS an adult and should know better. So I am for him going to jail (if convicted), if for nothing else, just for being so stupid. The fact that he's been in trouble for similar activities makes him appear to be a real sleaze.


What she said, especially the sleaze part. Already having a record and conviction for what he has and hooking up with a minor is a damn good reason to lock him up and throw away the key. Some 17 year olds are more mature than others but they are still children. Then again I'm an old fart who tends to look at people in their mid twenties like they are children too. Meh.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 4:22:14 PM   
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i typically don't venture off the political and religious section of the forums but some of this interests me...

a couple things come to mind. I didn't read the posts on the first page so I might have missed this, but everyone seems to be talking about age of consent, and as opposed to the difference in ages.

the age of consent in Oklahoma is 16. its 17 in new York. so the issue's not the age of the girl, but rather the amount of years older than her the guy is. I suspect every knows that, but its just that I don't think anyone's said it. if she was 18, then he could have been as many years older than her as the case may be.

whats particularly interesting to me is wondering how/why cultural mores change. when you read 19th century literature, large age gaps are not uncommon, which leads one to believe that was the case in the non-fiction world also. men in their 30s dated and wed girls in their mid teens.

more recently, in anne rice's belinda, the male and female leads are 44 and 16 respectively. my sense is, though I don't know this for sure, is that most people reading the book would root for the two characters, as opposed to leading the charge to have the man thrown in jail or accusing rice of supporting/encouraging immoral behavior.

I just did a quick peek at the "goodreads" website to collect some reader comments on the book:

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So much to say about this book and so many reasons why I loved it. If you pick up this book keep an open mind. Jeremy is not a perv and this is no regular 16 year old girl. She has lived and lived hard in her short 16 years. I loved them. Great plot, fleshed out Characters. I could actually see the movie in my head as I was reading.


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what lies within this book is a very engaging story about a teenage girl and her love affair with a middle-aged children's author. Yes, I know that last sentence has this sounding more like some sick pedophile story-time rather than the gripping and heart-breaking novel that this is.


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It's rather frightening to know how good a book is but know that because of the plot, someone will judge you for your enjoyment of it. I remember reading it red faced, not because of the content but rather because I knew that if someone recognized what it was, they would raise their eyebrows.

The red face may also have been because I was a 16-year-old girl who frequently lust after men in their thirties and forties, reading a story about a man lusting after and eventually falling in love with someone my age. Nothing like having a double guilty conscious, eh?


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What I can say is that Rice begins describing a 44 year old man's relationship with a 16 year old girl from the man's perspective in such a way that it almost gives you the creeps, making you feel guilty and dirty just for reading about it, then as she fleshes out the characters, especially Belinda herself, you end up rooting for these two to work it out and be together forever. That's quite a feat. And, from what I've read about Lolita, this has a much more pleasant conclusion.


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Anne Rice is one of my favorite authors, so I'm not surprised I liked her writing. I am surprised I liked a book wholly about statutory rape.


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just re-read this after many years.... and I have to say the years have only made me love this book more. I now will be re-visiting all Anne (Rice, Rampling...etc's) work and I so look forward to it. This book is so romantic and I love the forbidden love that is at it's heart so real and pure.


not all the reviews are praising the book, and some are indeed actually disgusted by the content, but you can get the idea not everyone shares that sentiment...

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 5:26:33 PM   
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a couple things come to mind. I didn't read the posts on the first page so I might have missed this, but everyone seems to be talking about age of consent, and as opposed to the difference in ages.

the age of consent in Oklahoma is 16. its 17 in new York. so the issue's not the age of the girl, but rather the amount of years older than her the guy is. I suspect every knows that, but its just that I don't think anyone's said it. if she was 18, then he could have been as many years older than her as the case may be.


I think the issue is more along the lines of the fact that he took her across state lines. Age of consent for sex is different than being able to carry a minor across state lines. That makes it a whole new ballgame.

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more recently, in anne rice's belinda, the male and female leads are 44 and 16 respectively. my sense is, though I don't know this for sure, is that most people reading the book would root for the two characters, as opposed to leading the charge to have the man thrown in jail or accusing rice of supporting/encouraging immoral behavior.


I read that book years ago. I have always been a big Anne Rice fan. But something taking place in a fictional, fantasyland is much more likely to be accepted than it would be in real life. You could take just about any book written in history and regardless of the content, find people who sing its praises. The idea of a story that people can get caught up in harmlessly is miles apart from actually watching that unfold in real life. I am sure that many of those same people that wrote favorable reviews of the book would condemn this particular news case.

Besides, this guy here IS a perv...his only child has a restraining order against him, associated with a conviction he received years ago in Washington. A conviction he pled down to felony assault with intent to rape.

As far as mores regarding age differences and younger girls and older men in centuries past, I like to believe that is one of the things that we have made progress on. There were a lot of reasons that became the norm, and none of them had anything to do with it being 'natural' or 'healthy', or even anything to do with love. Those were arranged marriages, accepted and expected by society. Western cultures today tend to condemn that sort of thing, because of all the abuse (mental, physical, emotional, etc) associated with it.





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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 6:12:16 PM   
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im far from an expert on the law, and 19th century marriage practices but here goes...

if something is legal in your state, its not making sense to me that that thing becomes illegal just because you cross a state line to do it (no pun intended) in another state. if im correct, while the guy might indeed be in trouble because of the crossing state lines issue, i suspect its that he is just in more trouble because of it. its more of a problem, but not the problem itself. though I don't know that for sure.

im a little bit more confident that the majority of marriages in 1800s uk and America were not arranged. though by my saying that doesn't mean I don't understand that in many places and ways, women were not necessarily considered on equal footing with men when it came to either the law, or society.

im skeptical of the "not natural or healthy" claim without further explanation as to why/how that is so. id maintain its natural because not only does (or did) it occur, but to the extent, that is, the breadth, that it does. how is it "unnatural?" im not sure how in those instances it was unhealthy either.

unfortunately getting at the factual reality is problematic because we're likely not to find a university able to do research on how many 30 something yr olds would have sex or a relationship with 16 yr olds if they had the opportunity and were "free" to do so.

I don't doubt some of the revelers for Belinda might feel/think differently if they were to witness the situation in real life, but im not sure how many, and im relatively confident in saying, not all. but that said, id put forth that's only because of the norms we live in today, not necessarily because they can dispassionately articulate something essentially immoral and wrong about it.



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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 6:43:31 PM   
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im far from an expert on the law, and 19th century marriage practices but here goes...

if something is legal in your state, its not making sense to me that that thing becomes illegal just because you cross a state line to do it (no pun intended) in another state. if im correct, while the guy might indeed be in trouble because of the crossing state lines issue, i suspect its that he is just in more trouble because of it. its more of a problem, but not the problem itself. though I don't know that for sure.



He's being charged under the Mann Act, a federal statute.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2423 18 U.S. Code § 2423 - Transportation of minors

(a)Transportation With Intent To Engage in Criminal Sexual Activity.—
A person who knowingly transports an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any commonwealth, territory or possession of the United States, with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.

(b)Travel With Intent To Engage in Illicit Sexual Conduct.—
A person who travels in interstate commerce or travels into the United States, or a United States citizen or an alien admitted for permanent residence in the United States who travels in foreign commerce, for the purpose of engaging in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.


And I haven't confirmed this, but I got this off of the Jay Wiseman group on the other site, regarding age of consent.

As for the age of the girl in question, in NY, the age of consent is 16 but only is OK, or only applies if the other partner is 4 years or fewer OLDER than the victim. If the other partner is OVER 21 years old then it is a third degree rape charge. In Oklahoma the same kind of parameters apparently apply as well - if the partner is older than 18, then statutory and/or other rape charges apply even if the girl/boy was above the age of consent.

But once it became about crossing state lines, the Mann Act took precedence.

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RE: Popular BDSM educator/author arrested - 1/10/2016 6:54:38 PM   
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right, the key word in your first letter a) is, "illicit"---i take that to mean, he's already doing something/will be doing something illegal. he's now compounded it by going across state lines.

kidnapping is illegal, but when I kidnap someone and transport the person across the country, its somehow worse. though why that is I don't completely understand.

your last point from jay wiseman is what I was saying in my first point. its not about her age per se, its about their relative age difference given her age. every states law is different. in ny, the age gap, i believe, is zero years. so technically its illegal for a 17yr old (the age of consent) to have sex with a 15 yr old.

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