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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

And now back to square one.  Perhaps the smokers can teach their smoke to stay within the confines of their tables, and not filter through the vents or head over to the tables of others.  Then, we'd all be fine.

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

And now back to square one.  Perhaps the smokers can teach their smoke to stay within the confines of their tables, and not filter through the vents or head over to the tables of others.  Then, we'd all be fine.

Surely most restaurants and cafes in America have already banned smoking.  I can't believe that a member of the anti-smoking group can really be having this much trouble finding somewhere that's smoke free.

I still think this is less to do with smoking and more to do with enjoying the art of complaining.

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

And now back to square one.  Perhaps the smokers can teach their smoke to stay within the confines of their tables, and not filter through the vents or head over to the tables of others.  Then, we'd all be fine.

Surely most restaurants and cafes in America have already banned smoking.  I can't believe that a member of the anti-smoking group can really be having this much trouble finding somewhere that's smoke free.

I still think this is less to do with smoking and more to do with enjoying the art of complaining.

The comments I addressed early on in the thread were in regards to those who are upset about the ban or the possible ban (where not already banned), and then to those who insist  that second hand smoke has not been proven to be of no harm to others.

I have no trouble finding non-smoking places... it's banned publicly where I live.  The "complaints" were to those who want the ban lifted in places such as where I live, and are no less valid than the "complaints" smokers have continued to make.

Just as you feel the need to stand up for your right to smoke... I defend  my right to to breathe carcinogen-free air in public places.  I'm all for scrapping the ban when  smokers decide to respect the common places shared by the general population, most who do trust the experts who deem second hand smoke harmful... but that's highly unlikely to ever happen.  If the smokers displayed such consideration for the well-being of others, I bet you'd hear very little from the 'anti-smoking group'.

If you are fine with no smoking indoors publicly... then we have no issue.

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Surely most restaurants and cafes in America have already banned smoking.

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

I absolutely agree that you shouldn't have to deal with anyone's smoke ever, indoors in a public place.  But I'm all in favour of having smoking establishments which non-smokers can simply avoid, as Termyn8tor said.   That seems to me to be the ideal answer.

My only issue is when anti-smokers talk about a total ban in public places, it just proves that their interest isn't in health, or avoiding second-hand smoking - they just want to ban something because they personally find it distasteful. 

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

I absolutely agree that you shouldn't have to deal with anyone's smoke ever, indoors in a public place.  But I'm all in favour of having smoking establishments which non-smokers can simply avoid, as Termyn8tor said.   That seems to me to be the ideal answer.

My only issue is when anti-smokers talk about a total ban in public places, it just proves that their interest isn't in health, or avoiding second-hand smoking - they just want to ban something because they personally find it distasteful. 

Florida has some cigar bars, pool halls, pubs, where smoking is allowed.  I think the laws in Fla tied indoor smoking into how much food could be sold in order to allow smoke.  Most venues chose to ban smoking and make a buck on high quantity food sales.

It would be ideal to have smoking and non-smoking places.... restaurants would work this way, but multiple courthouses, libraries, etc. wouldn't be a reasonable option, and then there is still the issue of employees. 

No, I can't stand smoke.... but that's not what motivates me on this issue.  I can't stand  red meat either, but I don't  wish to ban it in public places because I don't like to look at it, or even smell it, as I am not harmed by its presence.

Being that you stated the words I bolded, perhaps we never actually disagreed.

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

Yes but if you re-ead the words you emboldened, it says you "shouldn't have to deal with anyone's smoke in a public place",  not "smoking in public should be banned outright". 

What that means is you should have the choice and wisdom to avoid places where tobacco smoking is allowed, rather than putting yourself in a smoking-allowed establishment and then complaining about it.

Don't go to establishments that allow smoking.  Everybody's problem is solved (except the hard-core of anti-smoking who want it banned altogether, not because of health but because they personally don't enjoy it and don't want to see anyone else enjoying it either.)

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

Yes but if you re-ead the words you emboldened, it says you "shouldn't have to deal with anyone's smoke in a public place",  not "smoking in public should be banned outright". 

What that means is you should have the choice and wisdom to avoid places where tobacco smoking is allowed, rather than putting yourself in a smoking-allowed establishment and then complaining about it.

Don't go to establishments that allow smoking.  Everybody's problem is solved (except the hard-core of anti-smoking who want it banned altogether, not because of health but because they personally don't enjoy it and don't want to see anyone else enjoying it either.)

And in the states with the ban, smokers can choose to go to the places they can't smoke in... or to stay out.  They have had the choice to go or not go since the day the ban began.... yet I still hear protesting from smokers.  Your point works both ways.  Smokers want it not banned altogether... because they personally enjoy smoking, and they don't want to see anyone else being able to enjoy smoke-free air.

I am going to quit adding to it, and maybe this non-productive thread will eventually die.

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

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Surely most restaurants and cafes in America have already banned smoking.

There is no smoking in public buildings in Georgia. I have recently moved to South Carolina. Pup and I went into an italian restaurant and the waitress asked us "Smoking or non?" I was surprised, because I had forgotten I was in S.C. lol I live just on the state line, so it is understandable <s> I asked the waitress, wasn't smoking in the restaurant against the law? She said, no not in this state. I must of looked confused because pup reminded me we were not in Georgia lol
I really don't have anything to add to this thread other than I smoked for 33 years and I quit 3 years ago. Second hand smoke only bothers me when someone blows it directly in my face.
I had a medical emergency a few months ago and they could not get my breathing under control. I have COPD so a visit to the emergency room was in order. The ambulance pulled up at the ER and they pushed the gurney I was on through a cloud of smoke. The ER nurses were standing right where the ambulance parks, smoking up a storm. As I felt my lungs filling with the smoke, I gasped out "You  have got to be fucking kidding me!" I was very pissed off that I had NO choice but to go where the gurney went, and where the gurney went was right through the smoking area of the ER staff. My oxygen level had stabalized prior to being wheeled through the smoking area, it took the ER staff another 40 minutes to get my levels back up. Oh and before you ask, yes, I got the COPD from smoking all those years. Nothing like shutting the gate after the horses are out.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

If all establishments are non smoking....where is the choice?

The part of your quoted that I bolded....yes, smokers don't want it banned altogether because they DO enjoy smoking. Because they want to have that choice. As for the part of your quote "they don't want to see anyone else being able to enjoy smoke-free air"....that is utter bullshit. There is not one person on this thread who has stated any such thing....although that is the sentiment you seem to draw no matter what anyone says.  

I don't know why it is that you or anyone else seems to have such a problem with others choices so long as they don't affect you. Grow up....the world doesn't revolve around you.

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Ever notice how alot of non-smokers smoke pot ? Or burn insence, or have one of those awful air fresheners in their car ?

We should make caigarettes a prerequisite to these things.




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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

I hope wheny ou were back to normal again you bitched them out quite throughly, and I hope the ER will rethink their smokeing area

At my adult ed school there's a no smoking sign right by the door. well people will still sit right there and smoke in the door.

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

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Surely most restaurants and cafes in America have already banned smoking.

There is no smoking in public buildings in Georgia. I have recently moved to South Carolina. Pup and I went into an italian restaurant and the waitress asked us "Smoking or non?" I was surprised, because I had forgotten I was in S.C. lol I live just on the state line, so it is understandable <s> I asked the waitress, wasn't smoking in the restaurant against the law? She said, no not in this state. I must of looked confused because pup reminded me we were not in Georgia lol
I really don't have anything to add to this thread other than I smoked for 33 years and I quit 3 years ago. Second hand smoke only bothers me when someone blows it directly in my face.
I had a medical emergency a few months ago and they could not get my breathing under control. I have COPD so a visit to the emergency room was in order. The ambulance pulled up at the ER and they pushed the gurney I was on through a cloud of smoke. The ER nurses were standing right where the ambulance parks, smoking up a storm. As I felt my lungs filling with the smoke, I gasped out "You  have got to be fucking kidding me!" I was very pissed off that I had NO choice but to go where the gurney went, and where the gurney went was right through the smoking area of the ER staff. My oxygen level had stabalized prior to being wheeled through the smoking area, it took the ER staff another 40 minutes to get my levels back up. Oh and before you ask, yes, I got the COPD from smoking all those years. Nothing like shutting the gate after the horses are out.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

When people start talking about me smoking in my car on the freway, that is too much.

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