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Snubbing Smokers At Work
A European Commission ruling says that employers can sack workers who light up — even if only out of office hours. Is it the boss's business if you have a cigarette after dinner? After an Irish job ad stipulated that "smokers need not apply," that question was put to the European Commission, which decided that employers refusing to hire smokers do not breach European anti discrimination laws.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Snubbing Smokers At Work
A European Commission ruling says that employers can sack workers who light up — even if only out of office hours. Is it the boss's business if you have a cigarette after dinner? After an Irish job ad stipulated that "smokers need not apply," that question was put to the European Commission, which decided that employers refusing to hire smokers do not breach European anti discrimination laws.

Source: http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901060821-1226062,00.html
Surrender one freedom and which one do you give up next? Sex can directly transmit diseases that will kill you. There is no doubt that "second hand sex" kills. Can you argue that the same logic used in the case of smokers isn't applicable to sex?  

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There are employers here that fire workers for smoking. I would wonder if you support this? I would also say that many employers perform drug screenings on their employees, is this wrong? I do not know how I feel about either issue, but there is something to be said about health insurance rates for private business going up because of smokers in the work force.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Moga;

It is common fucking sense that you don't smoke in hospitals or grocery stores. Those people were not too smart.

Smoking or non, use the yellow pages. When a business is "Clean Air" compliant, there is more. Smoke from the kitchen must be exhausted, way up high, if the parking lot is to be non-smoking. Thirty feet would do. The restaurant furniture would be tested for outgassing, and nobody is allowed in if you can smell anything on them, including perfume.

Violate, go to jail. I would actually agree to these terms, to be polite to non-smokers. But it does not seem to be enough. Nothing is ever enough for certain people. What I need to remind myself of is that this is a public place, and sociopaths and meglomaniacs are just as likely to be here as anyone else. The nice thing is that these nuts hear our words, something that would never have happened without these fora.

When people start talking about me smoking in my car on the freway, that is too much.

T

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30418?issue=4227&special=1996

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ORIGINAL: Alpjumper
Teflon Pans... SHOULD BE BANNED... Why? Well when you leave a pan on a burner, every one does this sometime, the Teflon coating over heats at 410 F. This does not sound like a big problem, well it is... There is a chemical released in the form of a gas its called "Poly-tetra-fluoroethylene" this is VERY toxic. if you have a small bird in the house, the house is 5,000 sq ft. and you burn a common 16" pan they will die. This is amount of the gas is called Half LD. or other wise known as half lethal dose for humans. .... Also this chemical in repeated doses causes catalytic destruction of the human systems. For this there is no cure or treatment.. In small doses this causes "Polymer Fever" which is NOT the most comphy thing to have :D....  I don’t know...  HMMM SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THATS MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN SMOKERS... but call me crazy :D

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Alpjumper
Teflon Pans... SHOULD BE BANNED... Why? Well when you leave a pan on a burner, every one does this sometime, the Teflon coating over heats at 410 F. This does not sound like a big problem, well it is... There is a chemical released in the form of a gas its called "Poly-tetra-fluoroethylene" this is VERY toxic. if you have a small bird in the house, the house is 5,000 sq ft. and you burn a common 16" pan they will die. This is amount of the gas is called Half LD. or other wise known as half lethal dose for humans. .... Also this chemical in repeated doses causes catalytic destruction of the human systems. For this there is no cure or treatment.. In small doses this causes "Polymer Fever" which is NOT the most comphy thing to have :D....  I don’t know...  HMMM SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THATS MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN SMOKERS... but call me crazy :D

You know, I've been talking about those pans for well over 20 years...since very shortly after they first hit the stores. They release those chemicals...not only when one leaves a pan on the stove...but at normal temperatures necessary for some types of cooking. People always looked at me like I was crazy. The funny thing is though...even when people are educated about the dangers of them, most of them still continue to use them because of their convenience. Yup...even the health concious non-smokers. They also continue to suck down sodas full of Nutra-Sweet, add Splenda to their coffee, spend hours in the sun or in tanning booths,  fill their bodies full of Botox and pop every new wonder drug that comes on the market. Seems that some major health risks are worth taking if they are convenient enough or if they advertise that you won't get fat by using them or that they will make you look better. Of course that thin, unwrinkled, tanned "healthy" appearance is certainly worth what your vanity will cost you down the road.....right????

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Nowhere did I say "all" non-smokers do these things. Once again you seem to continue to draw the same sentiments from every post and assume that all smokers are trying to force something upon you. NO ONE here has said that. If you read my posts on this thread I have never waivered from the postion that no one should be forcing or imposing the consequences of any of their personal choices onto another.

It is about personal choices...and I am not trying to have non-stick pans banned. I am not trying to have Nutra-Sweet and Splenda pulled from the shelves. I am not trying to have tanning booths outlawed. I am not trying to introduce legislation against Botox or any other pharmaceutical compound. If people wish to consume or use any of those products it is their choice and their right. Just as if people wish to smoke....SO LONG AS THEY ARE NOT IMPOSING THAT CHOICE UPON YOU....it is also their choice and their right to do so and no one should be trying to have that right taken away through any legal channel.

I'm not sure where the disconnect is exactly. This is the same sentiment that I have seen shared over and over and over again on this thread....so why you are still coming from the perspective of being "forced" and "violated" by others choices is really beyond me at this point.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I really wish that you would point out which post on this thread it was where anyone said that you should be forced to go into a public place that allowed smoking.

It seems that you have an emotional response to smoking and gun issues. That is fine. Your choice....your right. But I would certainly hope that you would not expect anyone to adjust their life because you don't personally like something.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I really wish that you would point out which post on this thread it was where anyone said that you should be forced to go into a public place that allowed smoking.

It seems that you have an emotional response to smoking and gun issues. That is fine. Your choice....your right. But I would certainly hope that you would not expect anyone to adjust their life because you don't personally like something.

I could go back and find people that said exactly that, but I have other things to do with my time and the question was directed at another... seriously, go back and read where I believe scootertrash stated he should be able to smoke in any restaurant he liked and screw us nonsmokers. Several said it, scootertrash was the only one that I specifically remember because I have enjoyed his other posts immensely.