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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/10/2016 7:48:41 PM   
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if forensics showed admin to be hiding that evidence by trying to delete or hide certain parts of that evidence that could be seen as complissant.




Which at this point is just forum heresay.

Thanks for clarifying. I just kinda took it for granted that we had wandered into 'hypothetical' territory here, but maybe others don't. My comments regarding deleting posts have all been in that context.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 1:40:17 AM   
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if forensics showed admin to be hiding that evidence by trying to delete or hide certain parts of that evidence that could be seen as complissant.


Which at this point is just forum heresay.


Yep, I don't disagree and as Wayward just said, 'thanks for clarifying that'!


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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 7:38:00 AM   
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Even in that case, it is all too common these days for morons to commit crimes, and go online boasting about it or taunting someone with it. Admitting things they would never admit to the police so as not to incriminate themselves. But anything that they post online regarding a crime could be used in court, and often is. But not if its deleted.

Just so you know, you nailed it.




Please keep something in mind while I explain some of this. There have been several Admin over the time frame of it and I can't specify any names of anyone who isn't here to defend themselves. I'm also going to do a reminder of something most people should know. A lot of Admin names get recycled, so you can't always attribute something to a particular Mod name, think you know who that person is, unless you know what time period to attach it to.

In November of 2013, I got contacted by the Admin of this site because there was a poster who was threatening to sue the site and was basically harassing the sh^t out of the Admin. (Please note, more than one person has threatened to sue the site over the years. I only know details about one case in particular.) It was the same MO the person was using with other people, other sites, and a kink organization at the time, so yeah, same pattern and very much believable. I was told over eighty emails to one Mod account over time and twenty-four emails to another Mod within a twenty-four hour period.

At that time, I was asked by the site Admin if I had any documentation to verify some of what was going on and would I be willing to send it to them. I did that. I included emails from my husband's boss being contacted to file a false report, which was also CC'd with the Chaplain on post where we lived at the time, some of my records with my cell phone company, and links to the other person's journal admitting criminal activity. I spent a lot of time with a black magic marker first to remove all last names, military companies and units, last four digits of all phone numbers, etc.

There was a period of several months that I was under the impression that the 'threats to sue' matter from the other party were closed. If that's the relation the the OP's statement of having to get her own legal counsel, she shouldn't have had to. Any Mod/Admin actions taken on this site should be covered by the provisions of this site, so that should not have been an issue. Nobody who had/has her personal information (last name, prior phone number, etc) would have been dumb enough to give it to the other individual, and if they were, I'd highly suggest they get their head examined.

I didn't hear any more about the 'threats to sue' issue until June of 2014. That was roughly the time that some posters have nicknamed Modgate and I didn't have squat to do with it. (I was primarily posting on a site that was up for a while called KinkyToo.) When that happened, I was given the chat logs between Admin and the male owner of the site discussing the matter and the letter from the site's attorney to the other individual regarding why his lawsuit was frivolous, which really should have ended the whole thing. (People really, really should read ToS because that kind of thing is all laid out there.) Why it didn't, I honestly don't know. By then, the site should have had more than enough of it's own files of that person's journal entries and alternate accounts to prove he had attempted circumventing moderation, threats made, and all that other junk. Any deletion, rather than just hiding those things from member view, in my opinion, wouldn't have been in the site's best interests.

I didn't use any of the information given to me by this site or it's agents with any authorities until October of 2014, when I had to pursue legal action against the other individual through military channels. That was regarding criminal activity. I want to be really clear on this. No kinky person's legal name was included in any of the documentation I turned over with the exception of myself, my husband, and the party I filed against. Simply put, we don't out people where I come from. There's never been any civil action started by me that's named this site or any other as a defendant. For the folks who got told otherwise, I'm sorry, but you've been lied to.

I have also not scammed anybody for any money by using this site. If you heard that, you weren't given correct information. (With my lack of computer skills, people should have known that, anyway. Except for moving, I wouldn't know how to change my IP address to save my soul.) Please think about that if the same source tells you that other people here were scamming money because they aren't correct about all of them.

I have tried to give enough detail in this response, without naming anyone specifically. I'm also not posting any documentation because I think it would violate ToS. I'm not willing to share it with anybody and everybody privately just to satisfy morbid curiosity. It's not good for me, this site, or anybody else. No "you" statement is being directed to WaywardSoul with the exception of telling her she was right about the post I quoted. Everything under the line should be considered a fast reply.



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 12:32:35 PM   
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Think we have our wires crossed.

I'm talking of people actually witnessing a crime.

Even in that case, it is all too common these days for morons to commit crimes, and go online boasting about it or taunting someone with it. Admitting things they would never admit to the police so as not to incriminate themselves. But anything that they post online regarding a crime could be used in court, and often is. But not if its deleted.



I think that would constitute evidence. Someone incriminating themselves on a message board, supported by more than one witness statement, would certainly warrant an investigation at the very least.


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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 12:44:57 PM   
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I was told over eighty emails to one Mod account over time and twenty-four emails to another Mod within a twenty-four hour period.



I was told by someone from this board that there are eight lesbians living in a house somewhere near me.

I'm spending pretty much every spare minute trying to track them down, even resorting to digging holes in the ground on the off chance they have a bunker underground.

'Tell you what it is, if I don't find the fuckers soon I'm gonna have a meltdown on this board that will make Arpig look like one of the three wise men.


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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 12:54:31 PM   
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I was told by someone from this board that there are eight lesbians living in a house somewhere near me.

I'm spending pretty much every spare minute trying to track them down, even resorting to digging holes in the ground on the off chance they have a bunker underground.

'Tell you what it is, if I don't find the fuckers soon I'm gonna have a meltdown on this board that will make Arpig look like one of the three wise men.

Oh, Dude, if you find them, they are yours. I'd have to think that would be like striking gold for a het male. Are you a voyeur by chance?

Other than that, might want to stick with emails with that little gold border and chat logs that other people can verify came from Admin.



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 1:04:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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I was told by someone from this board that there are eight lesbians living in a house somewhere near me.

I'm spending pretty much every spare minute trying to track them down, even resorting to digging holes in the ground on the off chance they have a bunker underground.

'Tell you what it is, if I don't find the fuckers soon I'm gonna have a meltdown on this board that will make Arpig look like one of the three wise men.

Oh, Dude, if you find them, they are yours. I'd have to think that would be like striking gold for a het male. Are you a voyeur by chance?

Other than that, might want to stick with emails with that little gold border and chat logs that other people can verify came from Admin.




Just wanna see 8 lesbians with legs and arms writhing like snakes in a nest of female indulgence.

It's the least I can expect.

Seen 'em? 'Point me in the right direction by any chance?


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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 1:07:47 PM   
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that will make Arpig look like one of the three wise men.



Or all THREE of the wise men?


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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 1:33:33 PM   
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Just wanna see 8 lesbians with legs and arms writhing like snakes in a nest of female indulgence.

It's the least I can expect.

Seen 'em? 'Point me in the right direction by any chance?

None all living together (8) I'm afraid. You could at least see something similar in certain kink locations or events here. It kind of depends on where you go. You know how the term "pansexual" gets thrown around a lot related to kink events? That's not really always correct, in my opinion. The LGBT folks still have separate events from the het folks and the het folks don't always provide a welcoming atmosphere for the other folks. I went to "12 Days" last month (primarily a LGBT fundraiser) and I saw very few people from the het kink community.



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 1:34:35 PM   
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that will make Arpig look like one of the three wise men.



Or all THREE of the wise men?


Were even three of the sock accounts listed as male?



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 2:03:10 PM   
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The LGBT folks still have separate events from the het folks and the het folks don't always provide a welcoming atmosphere for the other folks. I went to "12 Days" last month (primarily a LGBT fundraiser) and I saw very few people from the het kink community.


It's better in some areas than other, but overall, people seem to like separate, because it's simply easier to blend and find potential mates.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 2:09:16 PM   
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Just wanna see 8 lesbians with legs and arms writhing like snakes in a nest of female indulgence.

It's the least I can expect.

Seen 'em? 'Point me in the right direction by any chance?

None all living together (8) I'm afraid. You could at least see something similar in certain kink locations or events here. It kind of depends on where you go. You know how the term "pansexual" gets thrown around a lot related to kink events? That's not really always correct, in my opinion. The LGBT folks still have separate events from the het folks and the het folks don't always provide a welcoming atmosphere for the other folks. I went to "12 Days" last month (primarily a LGBT fundraiser) and I saw very few people from the het kink community.




Seven?

Six even?

Five at a push....


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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 2:29:57 PM   
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It's better in some areas than other, but overall, people seem to like separate, because it's simply easier to blend and find potential mates.

That's true. Some places are better than others. Bisexual doesn't seem to matter one way or the other to the het crowd if you go to an event. Not here, anyway.

One of these days, we'll have to have a thread about some of the barriers and preferences. People could learn some things.



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 2:31:35 PM   
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Seven?

Six even?

Five at a push....

I'm starting to think I'm going to have to get you some Sorority House or Prison porn for next Christmas.



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/11/2016 5:22:53 PM   
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No "you" statement is being directed to WaywardSoul with the exception of telling her she was right about the post I quoted. Everything under the line should be considered a fast reply.
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I didn't interpret it as anything but what you explained here.

And I do appreciate that you are trying to avoid specifics in explaining your involvement in all of this. I have to admit, after reading the OP to this thread, I became a little concerned about how people open themselves up to exposure due to any info they share privately through the site could be brought to light by others with less than honorable intentions.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/12/2016 6:07:28 AM   
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Donna,

I only ever heard whispers of all this stuff and that a long time ago. But even back then I found myself thinking why the hell do people do the job that you do? Given that much of a challenge - day in, day out - all those monstrous headaches - I'd expect a salary, and a pretty damned fat one, too.

I hope that, now, you get the peace that you deserve. Failing that, I hope that someone actually pays you for the hassles that you go through.

You take care, now.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/12/2016 6:46:37 AM   
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And it shouldn't go unnoticed that after you left the forum went completely down the toilet.

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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/12/2016 7:03:03 AM   
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And it shouldn't go unnoticed that after you left the forum went completely down the toilet.

That's pretty much bound to happen when the boards go unmoderated, no matter who is/was doing the job. Nature of the beast. I'd hate to be the person who is the next person who has to start going through reported profiles.



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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/12/2016 8:43:57 AM   
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RE: Truth and Drama - 1/12/2016 11:32:22 AM   
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Fr

And it shouldn't go unnoticed that after you left the forum went completely down the toilet.

That's pretty much bound to happen when the boards go unmoderated, no matter who is/was doing the job. Nature of the beast. I'd hate to be the person who is the next person who has to start going through reported profiles.




The truth (my truth) is though, as it appears on the boards Lady Pact, you tend to be forceful (as forceful as anyone can be on a message board) in and effort to have people follow your line.

You're doing it on this thread. Telling people they have it 'nailed on' except you can't reveal the facts/your facts. In other words, you want people to follow your line but for no other cause than you say it's a good idea. No basis; no nothing. That is not reasonable - at least to me.

Now of course things aren't always what they seem and there's always the chance you have everything right.

But, I have tended to be a very good judge of character and a situation, and my estimate is that your version is not a balanced version.


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