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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:19:31 AM   
mnottertail


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Ja, no.

You are not looking for advice. You are looking to be pissed on.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:20:41 AM   
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I am not an ass in whats it called, Vanilla world. But, when provoked I have always went with the flow. Again, growing up in Philly I guess.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:21:11 AM   
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Akin to me asking a wanton wench over, dressed of course in bespoke corsets, boots above the knee, for a 8 course banquet of; spit roasted stegosaurus, broiled shoe essence, chingeree chitlins and 5 plates of chocolate cake (none for her) with vanilla ice cream. And I, who has the capacity to burn boiled potatoes, serve up 8 slice of toast (if i can find the book on interent re how to cook toast) and berate her for such tardiness; after her 18hour day and sell her into slavery – as there are 6 hours of the clock left. And that is clearly not enough time to train someone, save for the travelling circus and you need a good 6 and half hours according to the internet.
You have the makings of a bad stereotype – personally my pet hate as they are responsible, as well as those of derangement, for so much mis-information, ludicrous expectations from those who know better
You have a lot of good advice eg she is human, and of such an equal, and there is no etiquette – it has already been said.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:22:53 AM   
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No, bruh, is it bruh? Definitley not rolling like that. Although, I did do that in a girls mouth when I was younger.
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ja, no.

You are not looking for advice. You are looking to be pissed on.


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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:23:58 AM   
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wow, you really had me going reading that. Thanks man, appreciate that.
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Akin to me asking a wanton wench over, dressed of course in bespoke corsets, boots above the knee, for a 8 course banquet of; spit roasted stegosaurus, broiled shoe essence, chingeree chitlins and 5 plates of chocolate cake (none for her) with vanilla ice cream. And I, who has the capacity to burn boiled potatoes, serve up 8 slice of toast (if i can find the book on interent re how to cook toast) and berate her for such tardiness; after her 18hour day and sell her into slavery – as there are 6 hours of the clock left. And that is clearly not enough time to train someone, save for the travelling circus and you need a good 6 and half hours according to the internet.
You have the makings of a bad stereotype – personally my pet hate as they are responsible, as well as those of derangement, for so much mis-information, ludicrous expectations from those who know better
You have a lot of good advice eg she is human, and of such an equal, and there is no etiquette – it has already been said.




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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:26:13 AM   
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I got caught up in the stories I read online. Thought it was almost expected to make it hard, treat them like a slave, what does the word mean? Trust me I have since learned different.
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Akin to me asking a wanton wench over, dressed of course in bespoke corsets, boots above the knee, for a 8 course banquet of; spit roasted stegosaurus, broiled shoe essence, chingeree chitlins and 5 plates of chocolate cake (none for her) with vanilla ice cream. And I, who has the capacity to burn boiled potatoes, serve up 8 slice of toast (if i can find the book on interent re how to cook toast) and berate her for such tardiness; after her 18hour day and sell her into slavery – as there are 6 hours of the clock left. And that is clearly not enough time to train someone, save for the travelling circus and you need a good 6 and half hours according to the internet.
You have the makings of a bad stereotype – personally my pet hate as they are responsible, as well as those of derangement, for so much mis-information, ludicrous expectations from those who know better
You have a lot of good advice eg she is human, and of such an equal, and there is no etiquette – it has already been said.




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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:36:37 AM   
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Time to get ready for the snow. Uggggg, I miss my slave. Wonder if my slave will ever get back to me? She said to me before we met "I want you to think about me everyday after we meet"...not exactly what I had in f-ing mind. HAGD all.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 10:44:12 AM   
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Geez. You think you've got a person sorted out, and then...
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ORIGINAL: newatdis

Okay, the breakfast thing. My kids mom died when he was 6, I had to learn to cook, and like it. I was not bothered by the fact that I cooked her an egg, ham and cheese sandwhich. I was more bothered by the thought that maybe by "protocol" I shouldn't have.

You know what? I suck as a cook. Really. I'm lousy at it.

Please feel free to say I'm less of a Dominant because I know how to treat a guest in my home. This whole D/s thing doesn't negate my upbringing of being a good host. Heck, I'd LET people like Lucy or ML laugh at me while I was flipping pancakes or making eggs. Not because they are laughing AT me but because they were laughing at that BS about other people deciding who I'm supposed to be. I'll even get Lucy some real syrup.

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I want to be the man I have always been, the provider. My desires? How graphic can I be here. My desires are to have a woman that would f--k me anytime and anyplace. And I come up with the craziest idea's. Seemingly out of no-where. And appreciate the desire I have for her, like all the time...even when asleep, and appreciate the provider I am .And I have had that before, so I know exactly what its like.

Those are things that are a part of compatibility. Not all kinky people want the same things. To some women, taking someone anytime you want is a violation of trust. On the other hand, that's exactly what some submissive's want.

The "provider" thing? You sound like you're trying to buy someone. I don't care how much money you make. Let's skip that.

quote:

Okay, you are confusing "Put her out of your mind"..and than...."Did you actually feel *bad* because you made someone breakfast? What was good? What was not so good?"

I'm really not. If *this* girl wasn't a part of this discussion, what would *your* thoughts be? Don't let HER desires rule the day. If you could go back and do the things YOU wanted to do, how would it have been different? Without violating her consent or crossing her hard limits, how would this have gone?

quote:

Put it out of mind or what? do you want to know what was good about the encounter and what was bad?

You and I are going to come to an understanding. I'm already kind of a d*ck, so if there's going to be a contest about penis slamming on the table, I'm going to win. You have what God gave you and I buy mine from the sex shop. If mine's not sufficient, I can buy a bigger one. This crap about "I'm from Philly, so I'm a big man" doesn't jive with me. Talk like a person and you'll get the same in kind.


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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 11:23:46 AM   
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I didnt get the philly reference, lol
Well apart from hockey references....
Meaningless to me...is it sposed to be a "big man" thing?
Cos it didnt click.

I can paper your ceilings with pancakes, we would be laughing with each other. Ill make a point to bring marmite for the syrup:) noooo not instead of:)

Apparently, Im far to laid back/nice/easy going a person to be a domme, Ive heard it way too many times, (altho Im sure a lot of people who post here think otherwise)....few guess im a bit of a sadist, until they play with me.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 11:33:41 AM   
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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 11:36:44 AM   
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~FRing it~

From what I've read here, I personally think you are spending way too much time obsessing over what you think a dominant is "supposed" to be. What you should be focusing on is becoming the dominant you WANT to be. Im not sure about any other submissives, but I personally can see right through someone who adopted some notion of what a Master is supposed to be. However I respond highly to the dominant who already knows who he is. Because that breeds confidence. Confidence inspires trust. And trust is what makes this particular little world go round. I dont want to trust some dude who is trying to act dominant. I trust the one who is being genuine, sincere, and real. Take from this what you will.

Figure you out first. That shit cant be found in a book. After that, seek out a compatible counterpart.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 11:46:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I didnt get the philly reference, lol
Well apart from hockey references....
Meaningless to me...is it sposed to be a "big man" thing?
Cos it didnt click.

I can paper your ceilings with pancakes, we would be laughing with each other. Ill make a point to bring marmite for the syrup:) noooo not instead of:)

Apparently, Im far to laid back/nice/easy going a person to be a domme, Ive heard it way too many times, (altho Im sure a lot of people who post here think otherwise)....few guess im a bit of a sadist, until they play with me.

The Philly reference was from the thread yesterday. I'm from PA, too. It's not a thing.

Last time we did a nice brunch here, the one submissive in the house didn't get to do a damn thing. Much laughing, decent food, and good company. (That last part always makes the food taste better.) We were just having fun. Nobody cared who was a D or an s. My house, right? I'm the one who knows where the pans are.



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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:16:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: newatdis

As you know I am new. It was established before the slave arrived at my house that I was Master and she was slave. To do what I want with her, but she might resist at first. I knew she started her day at 5 AM. By the time she got to my State, and my city it's 11 PM at night. She commented about getting lost, being tired. Should I have just done the things I read about anyway? Without consideration as to her day? I am being dead serious. Granted I had a messed up idea about the whole thing. I only starting googling it a couple days before she got here (lol) and read mostly stories and experiences. Some twisted stuff. The ironic thing here is, I bought a book on Ebay "Doms guide to Submissive training"...and if I knew, I could have followed it to the T. But the book didn't arrive until yesterday and all this started Friday.


Forget about what the book told you to do, it's not relevant.

What you should have done was be a responsible leader figure for her.

Which means that you should have evaluated her state, and if you reached the conclusion that what she needed from you was for you to keep her up and treat her like a slave, because it made her feel validated and submissive, then that's what you should have done.
If you reached the conclusion that what she needed was to rest, then you should have ordered her to bed, in no uncertain terms, so that she understood that she wasn't being sent to bed because you were trying to cater to her, but because you -as her leader- had decided that this was what you wanted her to do.

It sounds like you took the second option, but didn't make it very clear to her that you weren't trying to suck up to her, or go easy on her, or indulge her, and so she ended up feeling like she wasn't really your slave, and you weren't really in charge. Slave girls are tricky that way sometimes, they want things, and when you're not ordering them to do what they want to do, they sometimes end up feeling like you're not really in charge, even though you're ordering them what you think should be done.

Being in control means that you are in charge of deciding what's best for everybody in your charge, even if that means making unpopular decisions (like sending her to bed when she apparently wanted kinky play time, and you really wanted kinky play time as well, because you decided that play time should wait until after she was rested).
If she's not cool with you making decisions you deem to be in her best interest, but aren't what she really wants, she's likely not the best slave for you, because you're never going to be able to read her mind and do exactly what she wants all the time.
All you can do is do what you think is best, and make it clear that you expect your commands followed, even if she'd rather do something more 'fun' instead.





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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:19:29 PM   
newatdis


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only those who know, know.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I didnt get the philly reference, lol
Well apart from hockey references....
Meaningless to me...is it sposed to be a "big man" thing?
Cos it didnt click.

I can paper your ceilings with pancakes, we would be laughing with each other. Ill make a point to bring marmite for the syrup:) noooo not instead of:)

Apparently, Im far to laid back/nice/easy going a person to be a domme, Ive heard it way too many times, (altho Im sure a lot of people who post here think otherwise)....few guess im a bit of a sadist, until they play with me.


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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:22:55 PM   
newatdis


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@ Lady: Look, don't get it twisted. we talked about fantasies and the such. I have never and would never impose myself on a woman. But, if we talked about things before hand and she was okay with it, why not.

Okay, I had to put my cigarette down and catch my breath, amidst my inner laughs. I guess I would be setting myself up for a disappointment if I even thought I could compare my god given polish sausage to what you can buy.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:23:46 PM   
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Some questions:
1. How did you present/offer yourself to this person and her to you?
2. How long have you spoken to this person
3. What happened when she turned up and how long did she say
4. what exactly did you say and do when she turned up
5. Have you spoken to her since and how long ago is it now.

Notes;
1. Some people expect bad stereotypes eg. To be imprisoned and thrashed on the hour every hour..Only monsters have that capability…granted now some do expect it, are conditioned to believe that’s how it works – these are people who know no better, or perhaps vulnerable, or merely seek abuse – different from a relationship.
2. Slave what is a slave is difficult to anwer. In essence there is no such thing in their entirely there me be some parts, fragments. In short they wish to give up their worldly possessions and serve. Who with is irrelevant although the mad, deranged psychotic, often snaffle em up…I have never known a true one in all my life to exist – one came close…there are a marginal higher number of Deranged masters/dommes
3. (fantasy is okay) fantasists preaching that as their 10 commandments. not so much – doesn’t mean 1 or two cannot be sampled/tasted/tested.

I have read your profile, it requires much work ( mines is not a good example - what is the point of me writing about just dark I I am so much more than that for I am not insane - or offer only insanity and bliss
, and it(yours) is better than most on here…most worry me, but that is another story. And us men folk outnumber the (genuine)women who are looking by a factor of many

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:27:07 PM   
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I did "indulge her"

Look, there is obviously a lot to this, maybe she should have spent more time informing me of exactly what she wanted instead of saying things like "I believe in my heart you know what I want" I mean I had an idea about some things. But, I also didn't have a crystal ball.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:31:19 PM   
newatdis


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I have actually already said most of what you asked. This is where I am at with this (currently) I am waiting to see if she will contact me. If she does I will go from there. Believe it or not, I have already had most of my questions answered. Again, and I hate repeating myself, the things that I have read (and not from the book, but individuals experiences) gave me completely different ideas about what was expected of me. Why is that so hard for some to understand?
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire


Some questions:
1. How did you present/offer yourself to this person and her to you?
2. How long have you spoken to this person
3. What happened when she turned up and how long did she say
4. what exactly did you say and do when she turned up
5. Have you spoken to her since and how long ago is it now.

Notes;
1. Some people expect bad stereotypes eg. To be imprisoned and thrashed on the hour every hour..Only monsters have that capability…granted now some do expect it, are conditioned to believe that’s how it works – these are people who know no better, or perhaps vulnerable, or merely seek abuse – different from a relationship.
2. Slave what is a slave is difficult to anwer. In essence there is no such thing in their entirely there me be some parts, fragments. In short they wish to give up their worldly possessions and serve. Who with is irrelevant although the mad, deranged psychotic, often snaffle em up…I have never known a true one in all my life to exist – one came close…there are a marginal higher number of Deranged masters/dommes
3. (fantasy is okay) fantasists preaching that as their 10 commandments. not so much – doesn’t mean 1 or two cannot be sampled/tasted/tested.

I have read your profile, it requires much work ( mines is not a good example - what is the point of me writing about just dark I I am so much more than that for I am not insane - or offer only insanity and bliss
, and it(yours) is better than most on here…most worry me, but that is another story. And us men folk outnumber the (genuine)women who are looking by a factor of many



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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:32:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: newatdis

I did "indulge her"



No you didn't.

You attempted to indulge her by doing what you thought she'd want.

You were wrong. What she wanted is for you to do something else. Apparently indulging her would have been keeping her up and treating her as a slave, because that's what she really wanted.

My point is, you'll never get anywhere with her if you are going to attempt to indulge her, precisely because you can't read her mind, and are going to guess wrong as to what it is that will actually indulge her.

What you should do instead if be a good leader.

You should make decisions based on what you think is the best thing for the both of you, and then tell her that you expect your decisions obeyed, even if they do not indulge her.
If she's submissive, she'll fall in line with what you want at that point, and you will have indulged her desire to submit to you by commanding her in no uncertain terms.

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RE: a question.. - 2/9/2016 12:35:35 PM   
newatdis


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That's about as real as it can get, I'll remember this one.
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ORIGINAL: Danemora

~FRing it~

From what I've read here, I personally think you are spending way too much time obsessing over what you think a dominant is "supposed" to be. What you should be focusing on is becoming the dominant you WANT to be. Im not sure about any other submissives, but I personally can see right through someone who adopted some notion of what a Master is supposed to be. However I respond highly to the dominant who already knows who he is. Because that breeds confidence. Confidence inspires trust. And trust is what makes this particular little world go round. I dont want to trust some dude who is trying to act dominant. I trust the one who is being genuine, sincere, and real. Take from this what you will.

Figure you out first. That shit cant be found in a book. After that, seek out a compatible counterpart.


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