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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 5:24:11 PM

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There has been denial of medicine for gays here in Missouri as well as denial of birth control pills for women on religious grounds at pharmacies... but not legal under the existing law... it is in the courts now and we will see what happens with the new legislation. The Senate gave in somewhat and have changed the bill to only include churches and wedding contractors for now... Monsanto backed them down... Money talks louder that religion here in Missouri.

Unless I am mistaken Bama Churches are already covered under Federal Law and they are not required to perform marriages or allow their premises to be used except in church sanctioned events.

It will only be a matter of time before others sue to deny services on religious grounds... If wedding cake bakers can deny service on religious grounds, and it is affirmed by the courts, then why should a hotel owner be forced to allow gays to consummate their marriages at their hotels on their honeymoon... Yes it does sound ridiculous but no more ridiculous to only let bakers discriminate on religious grounds and no one else... are cakes special in some way over all other religious taboos?

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 5:38:53 PM

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Tell me how is selling insulin to a diabetic against a religion?... For that matter how is selling bread to a hungry man against religion? Will your gayness come off on the money you give them?

Good grief, give it a rest. No way and no how are Christians going to deny health care or food to anyone, especially to children. It's not the same thing as a stupid cake maker, a caterer or photographer not wanting to provide service for a same sex wedding.

lol you do have a lot of gall my friend... do I tell you to give your fanatic defense of guns a rest...I know a lot of people think it... but I know you are passionate and have a right to be... Too bad you are not as passionate about not discriminating against your fellow man.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:00:28 PM

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There has to be a balance between human rights and religious rights... it would be wrong to make a baker become homosexual... having them bake a cake is not doing that... Individual human rights are more important in American than any ONE religious right... and that is how it should be... And as a Christian I find no conflict with this.

Butch

Geezus can you get any more orwellian?

I will explain a few things to you.

Lets make a constitution.

I will agree that your dog can shit in my flower bed and the board of directors shall make no law prohibiting the free exercize thereof.

Thats called a 'reserved' right. Its purely under YOUR jurisdiction, NOT mine.

A reserved right is NOT 'UNDER' the laws of the united states which is the only legitimate authority the gubblemintkowski has but 'OUTSIDE' the laws of the united states and reserved to the people severally and individually, or in this case to you, not me or my board of directors.

Hence I have 'NO' authority what so ever according to the (constitution) contract to infringe (trespass) upon 'ANYTHING' to do with your dog shitting on my flowerbed, and damn sure 'NO authority' to 'REGULATE' how much, when or where your dog shits on my flowerbed.............unless it causes 'damage or injury' to something or someone else.

See how simple contracts are?

So woudl you expect me to balance something I have no legitimate jurisdiction over?

Breach of contract?

Oh and if you do not find a conflict with that then you are not a very good Christian since homosexuality is against the Christian religion and baking a cake with knowledge what it will be used for would make you an accessory to a sin. That means aiding and abetting the enemy in military terms.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:16:50 PM

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There has been denial of medicine for gays here in Missouri as well as denial of birth control pills for women on religious grounds at pharmacies... but not legal under the existing law... it is in the courts now and we will see what happens with the new legislation. The Senate gave in somewhat and have changed the bill to only include churches and wedding contractors for now... Monsanto backed them down... Money talks louder that religion here in Missouri.

Unless I am mistaken Bama Churches are already covered under Federal Law and they are not required to perform marriages or allow their premises to be used except in church sanctioned events.

It will only be a matter of time before others sue to deny services on religious grounds... If wedding cake bakers can deny service on religious grounds, and it is affirmed by the courts, then why should a hotel owner be forced to allow gays to consummate their marriages at their hotels on their honeymoon... Yes it does sound ridiculous but no more ridiculous to only let bakers discriminate on religious grounds and no one else... are cakes special in some way over all other religious taboos?

Butch

You are truly confused and mixing several events that have completely different characterizations.

First: "There has been denial of medicine for gays"

Damn straight, there should be NO DENIAL of any drug to any one for any reason! If its a matter of exigency and necessity then to do so is criminal negligence.

The US gubmint is not authorized except unconstitutionally to infringe upon people receiving any damn drug they want. This has been imposed upon americans through the monopoly that started in england to control all drugs by extorting money from people through livcensing and prescriptions.

Thats right money casts the final vote in a crookocracy NOT the people.

"Unless I am mistaken Bama Churches are already covered under Federal Law and they are not required to perform marriages or allow their premises to be used except in church sanctioned events."

Awesome sounds like long awaited RELIGIOUS FREEDOM to me!

"It will only be a matter of time before others sue to deny services on religious grounds... "

Great I welcome the day the crookocracy gets out of the religion business and culture destruction in the name of 'COMMERCE' their ONLY legitimate jurisdiction!

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:30:12 PM

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but there have been cases of churches being required to host gay marraiges in spite of their beliefs.

What cases are these?

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:36:00 PM

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Dont hold your breath

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:36:45 PM

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As for the Bill, I've read of similar bills elsewhere.

If Kay and I ever decided to get married, we wouldn't want to put someone in the position of compromising their religious beliefs so we'd go to a business not conflicted in such a manner. Nor would we expect a pastor with strong convictions against same sex marriages to marry us. We would demand, however, that any governmental office that provides services to the public not discriminate against us. Private business, is a trickier matter. I see both sides of the argument and I don't know which is right.

Bravo for you!

well in the case of the kliens, the christians who refused to become an accessory to to sin under their chosen religion were fined and penalized to the tune of over 135,000 dollars because the 2 gay gals that were getting married suffered bleeding brains and PTSD and devastating emotional distress, and then their dog died and the refrigerator stopped cooling properly because the christains didnt bake them a cake and they decided it was more proper to sue so the gubblemint would fine them under their commercial laws and trample those christ lovers religion despite that it is unconstitutional instead of going 1 block down the street to a gay friendly cake shop and buy a cake from them.

Bravo for you! That is the way it was intended to work in this country. What you said!

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:52:03 PM

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Dont hold your breath

I am skeptical. But enough crazy shit goes on around here that one never knows.

I hear this argument a lot, but my understanding is, as Butch pointed out churches are already protected. So if they really are being made to do this, I want to know.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:57:18 PM

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The majority opinion written by Justice Kennedy ( http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf) explicitly states that the answer to this question is no. (churches performing SSM)

Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered.
Written Jun 27, 2015

Here you go :)

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 6:58:30 PM

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Too bad you are not as passionate about not discriminating against your fellow man.

Butch

I just discriminated against you Butch, I didnt accept your "lets all sit around the camp fire singing kum-by-ah!" Gonna sue me? People cant even get their own families to sit around a camp fire and sing kum-by-ah but you seem to think the whole world should do so? get my drift? You want the borg to be a bigger institution than they already are?

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 7:01:06 PM

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There is a snopes article about an idaho "couple"
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/hitchingpost.asp

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 7:06:00 PM

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Tell me how is selling insulin to a diabetic against a religion?... For that matter how is selling bread to a hungry man against religion? Will your gayness come off on the money you give them?

Good grief, give it a rest. No way and no how are Christians going to deny health care or food to anyone, especially to children. It's not the same thing as a stupid cake maker, a caterer or photographer not wanting to provide service for a same sex wedding.

lol you do have a lot of gall my friend... do I tell you to give your fanatic defense of guns a rest...I know a lot of people think it... but I know you are passionate and have a right to be... Too bad you are not as passionate about not discriminating against your fellow man.

Butch

I wouldn't say my defense of guns is fantastic. Or maybe I should ask what it is that makes it fantastic. That said, maybe I should have left out the "give it a rest" part (I take it back) but I'll leave in the "good grief". Withholding medical support or food rhetoric in opposition to this type of legislation is a little over the top though I don't know exactly what's in these bills.

I think you made a better point with the motel issue. I don't care much for over the top holier than thou assholes either but the way this wedding cake issue played out and a six figure fine running these people out of business was a bit much. If a health care provider refused insulin to a diabetic or if any of these bills allowed that sort of thing I will be right there with you.

And you're wrong, I am passionate about not discriminating against my fellow man. But in the case of the wedding cake, if ya don't count the couple who was run out of business (the sort of reason these bills are popping up all over the place), no one was hurt.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 7:16:32 PM

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There is a snopes article about an idaho "couple"
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/hitchingpost.asp

yep! this is a unique situation.

According to the lawsuit, the wedding chapel is registered with the state as a "religious corporation" limited to performing "one-man-one-woman marriages as defined by the Holy Bible."

But the chapel is also registered as a for-profit business — not as a church or place of worship — and city officials said that means the owners must comply with a local nondiscrimination ordinance.

they are assuming of course that because they first off 'registered' (commercial) that they are regulated by the state, secondly they are for profit again commercial that their reserved rights are capable of being regulated. Most likely our 'politically based' courts will rule politically not constitutionally.

Oh and btw, da gubblemint forces them to register as a 501.3(c) if the collect money, parrisioner donations or otherwise. Dem sneaky wabbits!!!! We are the borg!

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 7:20:53 PM

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It didn't give me the complete adress but here is the first paragraph of the story.

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NewsFaith, Freedom, HomosexualityFri Jan 13, 2012 - 8:48 pm EST
Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises

homosexuality , religious freedom , same-sex union

OCEAN GROVE, New Jersey, January 13, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) - A New Jersey judge ruled against a Christian retreat house that refused to allow a same-sex civil union ceremony to be conducted on its premises, ruling the Constitution allows “some intrusion into religious freedom to balance other important societal goals.”

Easy to find just google

Gay Marriage Advocates Forcing Churches To Perform same sex ceremony

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 8:21:57 PM

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It didn't give me the complete adress but here is the first paragraph of the story.

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NewsFaith, Freedom, HomosexualityFri Jan 13, 2012 - 8:48 pm EST
Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises

homosexuality , religious freedom , same-sex union

OCEAN GROVE, New Jersey, January 13, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) - A New Jersey judge ruled against a Christian retreat house that refused to allow a same-sex civil union ceremony to be conducted on its premises, ruling the Constitution allows “some intrusion into religious freedom to balance other important societal goals.”

Easy to find just google

Gay Marriage Advocates Forcing Churches To Perform same sex ceremony

Would it hurt you terribly to actually post the whole and not just the part that you want.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 8:30:44 PM

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Thompsonx, just a suggestion but it might be more efficient to simply put "Jesus you are phoquing stupid." In your signature line.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 8:36:57 PM

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Thompsonx, just a suggestion but it might be more efficient to simply put "Jesus you are phoquing stupid." In your signature line.

Not everyone rates it.
Jesus you are phoquing insightful,witty and charming.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/8/2016 11:16:46 PM

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My thoughts on backwoods Mississippi? The hunting was good, the countryside beautiful and I'd like to go back to dig up some natural clay for a project I've had in mind.

As for the Bill, I've read of similar bills elsewhere.

If Kay and I ever decided to get married, we wouldn't want to put someone in the position of compromising their religious beliefs so we'd go to a business not conflicted in such a manner. Nor would we expect a pastor with strong convictions against same sex marriages to marry us. We would demand, however, that any governmental office that provides services to the public not discriminate against us. Private business, is a trickier matter. I see both sides of the argument and I don't know which is right.

For years MLB used Mississippi Bay mud to rub the gloss from all the baseballs. I think they now use mud they mine in Georgia. I'd have to Google it. Maybe someone here will do that.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/9/2016 12:15:31 AM

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FR

It didn't give me the complete adress but here is the first paragraph of the story.

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NewsFaith, Freedom, HomosexualityFri Jan 13, 2012 - 8:48 pm EST
Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises

homosexuality , religious freedom , same-sex union

OCEAN GROVE, New Jersey, January 13, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) - A New Jersey judge ruled against a Christian retreat house that refused to allow a same-sex civil union ceremony to be conducted on its premises, ruling the Constitution allows “some intrusion into religious freedom to balance other important societal goals.”

Easy to find just google

Gay Marriage Advocates Forcing Churches To Perform same sex ceremony

Amendment I.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise except if we want to intrude upon your religious freedom to balance other important societal goals thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

sure enough! theres the provision, I dont know how I could have missed that all these years!

The judge is right!

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/9/2016 12:56:58 AM

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Kinkroids, you can't tell I was being totally facetious ?

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