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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 10:52:13 AM

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LOL
This is just too fucking funny

A decade and a half agao, I worked as a Paleontology Research Assistant. I was amazed to learn about all the hoaxes and fake stuff in science, and then there is the stuff that everyone knows but is wrong.

I am still deciding if it is worse in science or journalism.

I do not recall why it had come up, but the embryo pictures did and I mentioned it. Bruce (the Dr I worked for) was quick to explain how they were faked and how it had been corrected. Since this was about the fifth fake/wrong thing that had been brought to his attention by me or someone else, I think my response was "Dayum Bruce! Is any of this real?"

Looking back later, I think his knowledge on all of that may have been because Stephan Jay Gould was his academic father.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 11:32:53 AM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 12:04:09 PM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 12:45:17 PM

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not "a state" - neither "every state"

only a few claiming murder as a state privilege

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 12:48:00 PM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people.

Unless they've not been born yet, because that would just be wrong.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 12:58:07 PM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

Here is the difference.
The unborn have done nothing they should die for.
In this country they have to have done something horrendous for death to even be considered.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:11:49 PM

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never thought I would quote this

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... Murder plain and simple and every time you try to say it's not I will remind you of the truth.

since when is murder something else than the intentional killing of a human being?
since when is an execution something else than the intentional killing of a human being?

for the christian double moral bigots: Thou shalt not kill ... ever heard/read?

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:18:52 PM

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never thought I would quote this

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... Murder plain and simple and every time you try to say it's not I will remind you of the truth.

since when is murder something else than the intentional killing of a human being?
since when is an execution something else than the intentional killing of a human being?

for the christian double moral bigots: Thou shalt not kill ... ever heard/read?

A Both are homocide
B One is justifiable homocide
C By your rules if someone is attempting to rape you and you killhim you are a murderer.
D The original wording, before King James (and in the Torah) is thou shalt not commit murder.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:27:28 PM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people.

Unless they've not been born yet, because that would just be wrong.

I've vaguely assumed that the difference between certain righties' love and unbounded warmth for the unborn, versus their passionate support for state-sanctioned killing of criminals, was down to 'original sin'. That is, the foetus hasn't done anything sinful yet, so its life is sacrosanct. Once born, it's already a sinner (or something like that). But note the 'vaguely' above: I've never actually had that particular puzzle explained to me by someone who is both anti-abortion and pro capital punishment.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:38:26 PM

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not "a state" - neither "every state"

only a few claiming murder as a state privilege

No. A state has the power to compel its citizens.

To force, by violence, up to and including death, its citizens to follow its laws and regulations.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:41:52 PM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people.

Unless they've not been born yet, because that would just be wrong.

Historically, yes, Western Civilization protects the unborn.

This may not have been true during the French Revolution.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:42:52 PM

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Thou shalt not kill - plain and simple
Ex 20,13
לֹ֥֖א תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ ס

same in Septuaginta or Vulgata

allows no exceptions, absolutely nothing "justifiable" ...
no exceptions for Iran, China, Belarus or the USA there

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:43:44 PM

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I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally

btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that

One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people.

Unless they've not been born yet, because that would just be wrong.

I've vaguely assumed that the difference between certain righties' love and unbounded warmth for the unborn, versus their passionate support for state-sanctioned killing of criminals, was down to 'original sin'. That is, the foetus hasn't done anything sinful yet, so its life is sacrosanct. Once born, it's already a sinner (or something like that). But note the 'vaguely' above: I've never actually had that particular puzzle explained to me by someone who is both anti-abortion and pro capital punishment.

Law is not based on original sin, otherwise, by your logic, anyone can be legally killed at any time.

The unborn have done nothing to earn a death penalty.

For there to be any substance in your position, the death penalty would have to be adminsitred randomly as everyone would be equally guilty.

Instead, in the West, the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed the most horrible crimes, and not always then.

Now if we were talking about ISIS throwing people off rooftops for being gay you would have a point.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:44:30 PM

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since when is murder something else than the intentional killing of a human being?

Since always. Murder is, and always has been the UNLAWFUL killing of a person. In order for something to be murder the killing has to be illegal. Thus abortions in the US are only murder in the 3rd trimester, and executions, while bad, are not murder, because they are legal.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:46:45 PM

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The original wording, before King James (and in the Torah) is thou shalt not commit murder.

This is correct.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:46:45 PM

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Thou shalt not kill - plain and simple
Ex 20,13
לֹ֥֖א תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ ס

same in Septuaginta or Vulgata

allows no exceptions, absolutely nothing "justifiable" ...
no exceptions for Iran, China, Belarus or the USA there

But when you go back to the original text, it says commit murder, your research doesn't go back far enough.
And you need to check with a Jewish friend, if you have one, the Torah says murder, and in case you are unaware that is the original form of the Ten Commandments.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 1:47:34 PM

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Homocide is the killing of a human BEING. Murder is criminal homicide (pre-meditated), manslaughter is criminal homocide (without pre-meditation)

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 2:09:32 PM

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In fact, it's the legal term for the unlawful killing of a human being.
I think what's burning a few anuses in this thread is that this legal protection isn't extended to people under construction. Why they claim to give a fuck is beyond me, as the blacket refusal to even offer suggestions as to what they'd do to provide unwanted kids who'd otherwise be terminated prebirth with a life worth living if their mothers are forced to carry them to term suggests that they'd be perfectly happy to see the unwanted newborns thrown into the hospital incinerator, so long as the specialist who's had their hand up the mother to extract it is an obstretician rather than an abortionist and they've wasted nine months of the mother's life first.
I find the fact that these people are seriously trying to draw moral equations between the death penalty and abortion hilarious, given their utter indifference to children living in poverty.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 2:20:39 PM

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The truth is, it is not murder. Thanks for playing, we have some wonderful jack-off socks as a parting gift.

The truth is, whether it is deemed murder or not depends very much on your point of view.

I remember, in the not so distant past, when it was considered okay to murder certain types of human beings because they were deemed "insufficiently developed".

Eliminating someone's future because they're an inconvenience to your lifestyle rarely appears justified.

The law of god and man, at yale or anyone else doesn't share your point of view.

No, but opponents of abortion do.

Part of the problem with discussions like this is the constant ad hominem bullshit from both sides. Opponents of abortion feel there's a moral issue at stake with abortion legally empowering people with the right to murder others on the basis of lifestyle inconvenience. (Certain scenarios such as rape or incest excluded).

Advocates of abortion feel that it's an inherent right based on the idea that children are essentially parasites until they achieve sufficient growth to survive outside the mother's womb. I find that to be a somewhat de-humanising viewpoint but it's the foundation of the "right to choose" worldview.

Unless your argument acknowledges the difference in worldview, you're just a jabbering fucking monkey screaming your tribal allegiance at the top of your lungs. People use topics like this to fucking indulge themselves. I find them irredeemably stupid.

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RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor - 5/19/2016 2:23:25 PM

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Are you okay with the taxpayer supporting unwanted babies until such time as they can fend for themselves?

So, your essential point is that we should kill the fetus because someone might have to pay for it?

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