quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.

"White" thinking? In my reading on the subject, two factors that are known to correlate with success in life are (1) stable bonded families that have their children's respect and that teach them to value education, perseverance and hard work, and (2) the quality of a child's peer relationships. Social relationships with youth that have behavior problems or that denigrate the value of education, perseverance and hard work, can have a profoundly negative effect on a child's performance in school and chances for later success, even in spite of parents' best efforts. It doesn't seem to me that saying so is "white" thinking any more than ignoring those realities constitutes "black" thinking. They're just realities.

K.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.

"White" thinking? In my reading on the subject, two factors that are known to correlate with success in life are (1) stable bonded families that have their children's respect and that teach them to value education, perseverance and hard work, and (2) the quality of a child's peer relationships. Social relationships with youth that have behavior problems or that denigrate the value of education, perseverance and hard work, can have a profoundly negative effect on a child's performance in school and chances for later success, even in spite of parents' best efforts. It doesn't seem to me that saying so is "white" thinking any more than ignoring those realities constitutes "black" thinking. They're just realities.

K.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.

"White" thinking? In my reading on the subject, two factors that are known to correlate with success in life are (1) stable bonded families that have their children's respect and that teach them to value education, perseverance and hard work, and (2) the quality of a child's peer relationships. Social relationships with youth that have behavior problems or that denigrate the value of education, perseverance and hard work, can have a profoundly negative effect on a child's performance in school and chances for later success, even in spite of parents' best efforts. It doesn't seem to me that saying so is "white" thinking any more than ignoring those realities constitutes "black" thinking. They're just realities.

K.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


EVERYTHING is the white man's fault. Everything.

The Brookings Institute (That bastion of far-right thought) has found: "If you want to NOT be permanently poor in the U.S., there's only three things you have to do:

1) Graduate High School
2) Get a Job
3) Don't get pregnant until after you're married.

I will admit that given the current economy sucking like a two-dollar whore on rent day, #2 might be a bit of a challenge, but #1 and #3 are easily solvable:

1) White people have to stop preventing black people from graduating High School. We have to give up more of our hard-earned income to people who DON'T want to assimilate.

3) White people have to stop denying black women access to abortion on demand. It's that simple. Remember: Black Lives Matter (unless you get pregnant and aren't looking for a bump in your welfare check).



Michael

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the gathering of the klan is getting raucous.

go boys, go boys.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.

"White" thinking? In my reading on the subject, two factors that are known to correlate with success in life are (1) stable bonded families that have their children's respect and that teach them to value education, perseverance and hard work, and (2) the quality of a child's peer relationships. Social relationships with youth that have behavior problems or that denigrate the value of education, perseverance and hard work, can have a profoundly negative effect on a child's performance in school and chances for later success, even in spite of parents' best efforts. It doesn't seem to me that saying so is "white" thinking any more than ignoring those realities constitutes "black" thinking. They're just realities.

K.

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.

"White" thinking? In my reading on the subject, two factors that are known to correlate with success in life are (1) stable bonded families that have their children's respect and that teach them to value education, perseverance and hard work, and (2) the quality of a child's peer relationships. Social relationships with youth that have behavior problems or that denigrate the value of education, perseverance and hard work, can have a profoundly negative effect on a child's performance in school and chances for later success, even in spite of parents' best efforts. It doesn't seem to me that saying so is "white" thinking any more than ignoring those realities constitutes "black" thinking. They're just realities.

K.

Well sure, that may be true if your family is not living in a neighborhood in the lowest percentile of poverty, if you are not four times as likely to be stopped or killed by a police officer than your counterpart in predominantly white burbs, if your neighborhood is not subject to massive stop and frisk raids by the police. Yeah, that's all true. But to put the blame on the "family" in those circumstances, to blame the victims of their social and economic and racial history is not only absurd, it shows that the civic apparatus, the halls of power do not wish to assist those "families" and so blame the families for a pathology rather than the governments and corporations who have abandoned them. The pathology lies with the dominant political and corporate entities that are only focused on cost cutting, tax cutting, and profit. The wealth disparity has never been so great as it is today in America. Our physical infrastructure is crumbling, mining and manufacturing jobs have been lost, manufacturing workers in the auto parts industry are working for about $9 per hour, which is hardly a family livable wage. Automation and constantly rapidly advancing innovations in technology are requiring ever higher levels of education for fewer jobs, and kids are graduating from colleges with a ridiculous debt burden. So, as a society we are willing to spend more and more money on defense budgets and less and less to invest in our kids, black and white.

You want stable families? Install community policing programs that have been developed and supported by the Justice Department. Make it possible for more small businesses to open and hire in the core cities and fringe suburbs. Provide them with tax support, affordable insurance, and whatever else it may take to rebuild the cities and fringe burbs. Show kids that there are jobs available beyond the drug and gang economy. Show kids that there are real alternatives to joining gangs. What the hell is government for but to provide a pathway to equal opportunities? There are winners and losers in this neo-liberal economy of the past four decades. To wave your arm and brush off the losers by saying it is up to the families to raise themselves by their bootstraps when they don’t have boots is the smug talk of the winners and a cop out from the social contract, the Judeo-Christian doctrine to help and support “even the least of these,” as Jesus said.

So yeah, you have read studies correlating educational success to healthy families. Holy shit, that is so freakin obvious we shouldn’t need studies. We should do everything we can to promote healthy families everywhere. But, we have abandoned some with the absurd bumper sticker that it is the responsibility of families. Nope. It is a social and civic responsibility. That should be why we have governments. I am very pessimistic, however, given the conditions I cited above.

quote:

To assume that because I live in a predomenately black neighborhood that is by far the most crime ridden part of town that all black people are criminals and thugs would be racist.

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

To assume that because I live in a predomenately black neighborhood that is by far the most crime ridden part of town that all black people are criminals and thugs would be racist.

What makes you think it is all about you, Bama?

Nobody gives a fuck about what college you went to, or what neighborhood you live in, or which hand you jerk off with.

Try to think outside your own small, insignificant piece of the universe.