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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 3:46:38 AM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

So if we notice you doing it we should point it out right?

To say that there is such a thing as black thinking the key element of Klan ideology.

You seem to know a lot about klan ideology

To say that there is such a thing as white thinking is just as bad.

Yet you offer no definition of these words you say are bad. You are making shit up again arent you?

To assume that because I live in a predomenately black neighborhood that is by far the most crime ridden part of town that all black people are criminals and thugs would be racist. Not even all the black people in my neighborhood fit that description.
To make any simular assumption about white people is just as bad.

You live where you live because you choose to. Or you make shit up to post on the internet.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 7:39:54 AM

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What I do believe is that change must come from within the black communities where the real problem exists. Otherwise most problems are within the families and their attitudes. They must start taking responsibility for not only themselves and their children but their neighbors and their neighborhoods.

That is "white thinking" and ignoring realities, Butch. See my reply to Bama at post 327.

"White" thinking? In my reading on the subject, two factors that are known to correlate with success in life are (1) stable bonded families that have their children's respect and that teach them to value education, perseverance and hard work, and (2) the quality of a child's peer relationships. Social relationships with youth that have behavior problems or that denigrate the value of education, perseverance and hard work, can have a profoundly negative effect on a child's performance in school and chances for later success, even in spite of parents' best efforts. It doesn't seem to me that saying so is "white" thinking any more than ignoring those realities constitutes "black" thinking. They're just realities.

to put the blame on the "family" in those circumstances, to blame the victims of their social and economic and racial history...

K.

"There is nothing in my post that "blames" anybody. Blame is your game."

I was referring to Butch's comments which you were defending.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 7:47:29 AM

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the gathering of the klan is getting raucous.

go boys, go boys.

LOL!

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 7:50:50 AM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 8:29:51 AM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

I think "racism" has become a somewhat amorphous concept. Most generally it refers to a belief or attitude that one so-called "race" is inherently superior to another. But in actual use the term often wanders into the area of dislike and prejudicial stereotypes, which can exist without any belief in the other race's inherent inferiority. Particularly when based on bad behavior, for example, it can exist in concert with a firm belief that the disliked group is just as capable of behaving better as anyone else, i.e., not inherently "inferior" at all. Similarly, racism can exist in a context where there is a feeling of benevolence toward the unfortunate "inferior" race and a desire to "help" them.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 9:37:08 AM

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I think "racism" has become a somewhat amorphous concept.

Only to those who would obfuscate the obvious.

Most generally it refers to a belief or attitude that one so-called "race" is inherently superior to another.

Pretty fair definition.

But in actual use the term often wanders into the area of dislike and prejudicial stereotypes, which can exist without any belief in the other race's inherent inferiority.

How is that possible?

Particularly when based on bad behavior, for example, it can exist in concert with a firm belief that the disliked group is just as capable of behaving better as anyone else, i.e., not inherently "inferior" at all.

Which euphimism would you like to use in preference to "inferior"?

Similarly, racism can exist in a context where there is a feeling of benevolence toward the unfortunate "inferior" race and a desire to "help" them.

Paternalism???how quaint.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 10:19:52 AM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

When did I say you did, but now that you mention it what else does white thinking mean?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 1:34:54 PM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

I think "racism" has become a somewhat amorphous concept. Most generally it refers to a belief or attitude that one so-called "race" is inherently superior to another. But in actual use the term often wanders into the area of dislike and prejudicial stereotypes, which can exist without any belief in the other race's inherent inferiority. Particularly when based on bad behavior, for example, it can exist in concert with a firm belief that the disliked group is just as capable of behaving better as anyone else, i.e., not inherently "inferior" at all. Similarly, racism can exist in a context where there is a feeling of benevolence toward the unfortunate "inferior" race and a desire to "help" them.

K.

I think so too. We disagree however on your last statement. I linked above to a wiki article that suggest there were a number of blurry definitions of racism over time The article presents a study, however, that shows all the definitions contained three essential elements.

Garner (2009: p. 11) summarizes different existing definitions of racism and identifies three common elements contained in those definitions of racism. First, a historical, hierarchical power relationship between groups; second, a set of ideas (an ideology) about racial differences; and, third, discriminatory actions (practices).[3]

The same article also posits: So-called "white racism" focuses on societies in which white populations are the majority or dominant social group. In studies of these majority white societies, the aggregate of material and cultural advantages is usually termed "white privilege".

The article goes on to inform us that: In both sociology and economics, the outcomes of racist actions are often measured by the inequality in income, wealth, net worth, and access to other cultural resources, such as education, between racial groups.[30]

Your last statement about "benevolence" resembles the excuses offered by the ante bellum plantation lords who claimed that slavery was a gift to the African primitives. So, i suspect you are trying to equate the current concern for disadvantaged people of color to the racism of the slave holders.

That dog don't hunt. We can start by considering the reality that 24% of blacks live below the poverty level while only 9.7% of non-Hispanic whites do. That is the reality of racial wealth disparity in America. I wonder why you cannot understand that reality?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 1:42:00 PM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

I think "racism" has become a somewhat amorphous concept. Most generally it refers to a belief or attitude that one so-called "race" is inherently superior to another. But in actual use the term often wanders into the area of dislike and prejudicial stereotypes, which can exist without any belief in the other race's inherent inferiority. Particularly when based on bad behavior, for example, it can exist in concert with a firm belief that the disliked group is just as capable of behaving better as anyone else, i.e., not inherently "inferior" at all. Similarly, racism can exist in a context where there is a feeling of benevolence toward the unfortunate "inferior" race and a desire to "help" them.

Your last statement about "benevolence" resembles the excuses offered by the ante bellum plantation lords who claimed that slavery was a gift to the African primitives. So, i suspect you are trying to equate the current concern for disadvantaged people of color to the racism of the slave holders.

Apparently you suspect that a thought which occurred to you might have been one of mine.

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That dog don't hunt. We can start by considering the reality that 24% of blacks live below the poverty level while only 9.7% of non-Hispanic whites do. That is the reality of racial wealth disparity in America. I wonder why you cannot understand that reality?

And I wonder why you can't understand that all the thoughts in your mind are your own.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 1:52:58 PM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

When did I say you did, but now that you mention it what else does white thinking mean?

In post #345 commenting with an FR (lol) about the issue of white thinking that i brought up from the Salon article.

But a fair enough question and it deserves an answer because it does not mean that all white people are overtly racist. Many are not even covertly or implicitly racist. I'm sorry you did not read the article in its entirety. Here it is again for your convenience. This is what the author had to say:

Nevertheless, the corporate news media has recycled Ronald Reagan’s and the Republican Party’s language of “law and order” and “black pathology,” and obsess over images of black young people “rioting” against the Baltimore police. Many in the corporate news media will also emphasize what they believe is wrong with the “black family,” “black culture,” and the black community’s supposed inability to “control” young black people in the aftermath of the Baltimore uprising.

That is what he meant by "white thinking." You will see he uses the term earlier in the article. But you knew that, right?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 1:57:35 PM

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The veriy idea that all people of a given etnic or racial group think, act, and feel the same is the essience of racism.

I never said that.

I think "racism" has become a somewhat amorphous concept. Most generally it refers to a belief or attitude that one so-called "race" is inherently superior to another. But in actual use the term often wanders into the area of dislike and prejudicial stereotypes, which can exist without any belief in the other race's inherent inferiority. Particularly when based on bad behavior, for example, it can exist in concert with a firm belief that the disliked group is just as capable of behaving better as anyone else, i.e., not inherently "inferior" at all. Similarly, racism can exist in a context where there is a feeling of benevolence toward the unfortunate "inferior" race and a desire to "help" them.

Your last statement about "benevolence" resembles the excuses offered by the ante bellum plantation lords who claimed that slavery was a gift to the African primitives. So, i suspect you are trying to equate the current concern for disadvantaged people of color to the racism of the slave holders.

Apparently you suspect that a thought which occurred to you might have been one of mine.

You said it; not I. Too bad you can't own it.

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That dog don't hunt. We can start by considering the reality that 24% of blacks live below the poverty level while only 9.7% of non-Hispanic whites do. That is the reality of racial wealth disparity in America. I wonder why you cannot understand that reality?

And I wonder why you can't understand that all the thoughts in your mind are your own.

My comments on the issue are thoroughly cited.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 2:02:10 PM

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And Klan should be capitalized.

Do you think asshole should also be capitalized?

You got alot of goddamn gall to call people stupid when you do not know English. Klan, when referring to the KKK is capitalised no matter what your opinion of them is. Case in point, capitalised "Jew" refers to the person or people, but if you use it in a different context like "I wanted $125 but he jewed me down to $100" that is not capitalised because it is not referring to a person or the people.

Words like White and Black are capitalized when referring to a person or the people, words like kike, n____, towelhead etc are not capitalised because they are racial slurs. (I would have typed out the Nword but the software on this site has filters, try using the word in a PM to prove it)

I am a dropout and I have better language skills than you. You also do not analyse things much. And I will tell you this, you don't even want to know my IQ as it would embarrass you, and I am self educated. Intelligent people do not call others stupid. I am sure I have a broader and more in depth skill set than you could ever hope to have. You have tooo much attitude. You are the type of person who figures one day that they have learned enough and knows everything and that is that. I try to learn something new every day. You call people stupid. You don't know them, you don't know their skill set or cognitive abilities or anything about them.

You are about at the same level as Ron, and at that level I think you should not be allowed to vote or buy a gun, maybe not even drive. You meet the slightest disagreement with insults because you have no real argument.

You remind me of this redheaded broad in a black car i the neighborhood who has almost caused two accident if not for the extreme evasive moves by a buddy of mine. And then he yells like "Watch where you're going" and she says "Fuck you". As if she can do no wrong.

I know I do not know you personally, but your posts give that impression. And I will never put you on ignore because every time your stupidity really shines I want to be here to sort you out, and let the other members be the judge.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 2:05:52 PM

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These things followed the systematic albeit unintended(I hope)
destruction of (primarily black) families. Fix the families and most of this go away.

Everytime you hit enter you prove again what a fool you are. If you sell the children of a family and the parents of a family to different owers how can the result be unintended?
Jeus you are phoquing stupid.

The fuck do you mean sell the children ? That shit stopped about 150 years ago. Where have you been ?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 2:09:29 PM

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These things followed the systematic albeit unintended(I hope)
destruction of (primarily black) families. Fix the families and most of this go away.

Everytime you hit enter you prove again what a fool you are. If you sell the children of a family and the parents of a family to different owers how can the result be unintended?
Jeus you are phoquing stupid.

The fuck do you mean sell the children ? That shit stopped about 150 years ago. Where have you been ?

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Still goes on for transplant organs, sadly.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 2:40:02 PM

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I think "racism" has become a somewhat amorphous concept. Most generally it refers to a belief or attitude that one so-called "race" is inherently superior to another. But in actual use the term often wanders into the area of dislike and prejudicial stereotypes, which can exist without any belief in the other race's inherent inferiority. Particularly when based on bad behavior, for example, it can exist in concert with a firm belief that the disliked group is just as capable of behaving better as anyone else, i.e., not inherently "inferior" at all. Similarly, racism can exist in a context where there is a feeling of benevolence toward the unfortunate "inferior" race and a desire to "help" them.

Your last statement about "benevolence" resembles the excuses offered by the ante bellum plantation lords who claimed that slavery was a gift to the African primitives. So, i suspect you are trying to equate the current concern for disadvantaged people of color to the racism of the slave holders.

Apparently you suspect that a thought which occurred to you might have been one of mine.

You said it; not I. Too bad you can't own it.

I never equated the current concern for disadvantaged people of color with the racism of slave holders. But you clearly did, and projected it onto me. Too bad you're not willing to own your own shit.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 4:46:01 PM

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These things followed the systematic albeit unintended(I hope)
destruction of (primarily black) families. Fix the families and most of this go away.

Everytime you hit enter you prove again what a fool you are. If you sell the children of a family and the parents of a family to different owers how can the result be unintended?
Jeus you are phoquing stupid.

The fuck do you mean sell the children ? That shit stopped about 150 years ago. Where have you been ?

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You forget that he isn't bright enough to realize that I was refering to the Great Society and the welfare programs of the 1960s which did more damage to the Black family than anything since slavery.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 6:10:01 PM

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And Klan should be capitalized.

Do you think asshole should also be capitalized?

You got alot of goddamn gall to call people stupid when you do not know English. Klan, when referring to the KKK is capitalised no matter what your opinion of them is. Case in point, capitalised "Jew" refers to the person or people, but if you use it in a different context like "I wanted $125 but he jewed me down to $100" that is not capitalised because it is not referring to a person or the people.

Words like White and Black are capitalized when referring to a person or the people, words like kike, n____, towelhead etc are not capitalised because they are racial slurs. (I would have typed out the Nword but the software on this site has filters, try using the word in a PM to prove it)

I am a dropout and I have better language skills than you. You also do not analyse things much. And I will tell you this, you don't even want to know my IQ as it would embarrass you, and I am self educated. Intelligent people do not call others stupid. I am sure I have a broader and more in depth skill set than you could ever hope to have. You have tooo much attitude. You are the type of person who figures one day that they have learned enough and knows everything and that is that. I try to learn something new every day. You call people stupid. You don't know them, you don't know their skill set or cognitive abilities or anything about them.

You are about at the same level as Ron, and at that level I think you should not be allowed to vote or buy a gun, maybe not even drive. You meet the slightest disagreement with insults because you have no real argument.

You remind me of this redheaded broad in a black car i the neighborhood who has almost caused two accident if not for the extreme evasive moves by a buddy of mine. And then he yells like "Watch where you're going" and she says "Fuck you". As if she can do no wrong.

I know I do not know you personally, but your posts give that impression. And I will never put you on ignore because every time your stupidity really shines I want to be here to sort you out, and let the other members be the judge.

T^T

You just said intelligent people don't call others stupid and then called him stupid in the same post. The ego sometimes associated with intelligence is very similar to the psychological motivations behind racism. Self-centered, egocentric, xenophobic, it all plays into the same mindset

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 6:16:30 PM

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Well technically there is no way out of it. He calls people stupid and I say smart people do not call others stupid, well it just follows.

If you have a way out of this logical conundrum do tell.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 6:38:13 PM

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Well technically there is no way out of it. He calls people stupid and I say smart people do not call others stupid, well it just follows.

If you have a way out of this logical conundrum do tell.

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Prove people wrong. Do not become hypocritical just to make a point. Have your conception of morality and stick to it nail and claw. It won't be the same as my own, but be true to it. I'm going to fuck up this biblical quite, but as you hold true on earth so shall I hold true in heaven

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/22/2016 8:38:09 PM

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And Klan should be capitalized.

Do you think asshole should also be capitalized?

You got alot of goddamn gall to call people stupid when you do not know English. Klan, when referring to the KKK is capitalised no matter what your opinion of them is. Case in point, capitalised "Jew" refers to the person or people, but if you use it in a different context like "I wanted $125 but he jewed me down to $100" that is not capitalised because it is not referring to a person or the people.

Words like White and Black are capitalized when referring to a person or the people, words like kike, n____, towelhead etc are not capitalised because they are racial slurs. (I would have typed out the Nword but the software on this site has filters, try using the word in a PM to prove it)

I am a dropout and I have better language skills than you.

Wow...when you cannot respond to the fact that you were wrong about how many slaves and who owned the slaves etc that now you want to become a gramar nazi.
Too kewel

You also do not analyse things much. And I will tell you this, you don't even want to know my IQ as it would embarrass you,

I am never embrrassed by other people only astonished and amused.

and I am self educated.

It shows.

Intelligent people do not call others stupid.

Opinions vary.

I am sure I have a broader and more in depth skill set than you could ever hope to have.

Opiniona vary

You have tooo much attitude.

Better get used to it because it is the only one I have.

You are the type of person who figures one day that they have learned enough and knows everything and that is that.

Opinions vary

I try to learn something new every day.

And I try to teach you something new every day.

You call people stupid.

Just the stupid ones.

You don't know them, you don't know their skill set or cognitive abilities or anything about them.

I know what they post.

You are about at the same level as Ron,

Really???thanx

and at that level I think you should not be allowed to vote or buy a gun, maybe not even drive. You meet the slightest disagreement with insults because you have no real argument.

Pointed out that you did not know the black slave owner or his circumstances. I pointed out you did not know how many slaves were in amerika. You get upset with your ignorance and blame it on me.

I know I do not know you personally, but your posts give that impression.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention.

And I will never put you on ignore because every time your stupidity really shines I want to be here to sort you out, and let the other members be the judge.

I am still waiting for you to "sort" me out for the first time

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