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Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 6:13:36 AM   
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MILWAUKEE - A crowd of protesters skirmished with police Saturday night in a Milwaukee neighborhood where an officer shot and killed a man after a traffic stop and foot chase earlier in the day, setting fire to a police car and torching a gas station. One officer was hurt by a thrown brick.

Police said the 23-year-old man was armed with a handgun. Mayor Tom Barrett said the officer ordered the suspect to drop the weapon, but he refused. The officer then shot the suspect twice, Barrett said, adding that the officer was wearing a body camera . . .


From Twitter:

Milwaukee Police ‏@MilwaukeePolice · 10h10 hours ago
Gas station at Sherman and Burleigh set on fire. MFD cannot extinguish fire as gunshots are being fired.


Granting that there have been police shootings where outrage is warranted, arson and destruction in a case where the guy was armed and refused to drop the weapon when ordered to do so?

Police said the suspect had a "lengthy arrest record," though the specific crimes were not detailed. The suspect was carrying a handgun taken in a March burglary in Waukesha. The owner reported that 500 rounds of ammunition also were stolen.

Coverage:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-shooting-in-milwaukee-sparks-violent-protest/
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/13/report-1-dead-officer-involved-shooting/88689152/
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/milwaukee-cop-cars-smashed-torched-after-police-kill-suspect-n630236
https://twitter.com/MilwaukeePolice

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 1:13:35 PM   
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Granting that there have been police shootings where outrage is warranted, arson and destruction in a case where the guy was armed and refused to drop the weapon when ordered to do so?


Hard to justify the crowd's outrage on this one. However, the events are kind of murky. Kid was being chased while carrying a gun. Was he shot in the back while he ran? Was he backed against a wall? Was he a threat to the officer's life? Does any of that matter?

Difficult to draw any conclusion expect yours until the body video is released.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 1:18:45 PM   
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Granting that there have been police shootings where outrage is warranted, arson and destruction in a case where the guy was armed and refused to drop the weapon when ordered to do so?


Hard to justify the crowd's outrage on this one. However, the events are kind of murky. Kid was being chased while carrying a gun. Was he shot in the back while he ran? Was he backed against a wall? Was he a threat to the officer's life? Does any of that matter?

Difficult to draw any conclusion expect yours until the body video is released.


A person with a handgun fleeing is a danger to the public.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 1:25:48 PM   
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Granting that there have been police shootings where outrage is warranted, arson and destruction in a case where the guy was armed and refused to drop the weapon when ordered to do so?


Hard to justify the crowd's outrage on this one. However, the events are kind of murky. Kid was being chased while carrying a gun. Was he shot in the back while he ran? Was he backed against a wall? Was he a threat to the officer's life? Does any of that matter?

Difficult to draw any conclusion expect yours until the body video is released.


A person with a handgun fleeing is a danger to the public.

A person driving 80 mph through downtown streets is a danger to the public. Where is it written that being a danger to the public carries an immediate adjudication and execution?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 1:42:25 PM   
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even if he didnt have a gun he will!






So far, we only know what police have said about the shooting. For many Black Lives Matter activists, this is as good as knowing nothing. Trust in the police is fairly low in black communities to begin with. But over the past few years, several police accounts of shootings or killings have also fallen apart when interrogated with video evidence — making it especially hard for activists and protesters to take cops at their word.

As news of the shooting broke out, 200 people gathered — apparently organizing through social media — in demonstrations. Those protests then quickly escalated, breaking into riots.

According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, people burned down businesses, including a gas station. They fired off gunshots. They smashed at least one police car while setting others on fire. They threw things, including bricks, at police. And they at one point turned on reporters: "One reporter was shoved to the ground and punched," the Journal Sentinel reported.

In light of the violence, the mayor pleaded with people to go home. "If you love your son, if you love your daughter, text them, call them, pull them by the ears and get them home," Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said. "Get them home right now before more damage is done."
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/14/12472896/milwaukee-wisconsin-riots-police-shooting





Maybe there is hope for this country after all Hmm... Big week in Milwaukee!



'Making a Murderer' Brendan Dassey's Conviction Overturned


A federal judge in Milwaukee has overturned the conviction of Brendan Dassey -- one of the men featured in the controversial Netflix true crime series "Making a Murderer."

Dassey, 26, was convicted as a teenager, along with his uncle Steven Avery, of murdering Teresa Halbach in 2005. Both were convicted in 2007, and Dassey was sentenced to life in prison.

The story of the arrest and conviction of both men, including Avery -- who was wrongfully convicted of rape years earlier -- captivated the nation after "Making a Murderer" was released last year.

'Making a Murderer': The Complicated Argument Over Brendan Dassey's Confession

'Making a Murderer': Is Steven Avery Guilty? A Deeper Look Into Netflix Series

Some believed Avery, 54, was targeted by officials after he sued for $36 million in 2005 in the wake of his rape conviction being overturned, an allegation police and prosecutors vehemently denied.

Dassey's conviction raised eyebrows for some because of how his videotaped confession was conducted. At the time of the police interrogation, Dassey was a high school sophomore in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin. He had a low I.Q. and was enrolled in several special education classes.

In the Netflix docu-series, he was depicted as a confused and intellectually challenged teen, who often turned to his mother to help him comprehend his interactions with police.

In court documents obtained by ABC News, a judge ruled that Dassey's confession was obtained by investigators giving the then 16-year-old "false promises." The documents stated that "investigators repeatedly claimed to already know what happened...and assured Dassey that he had nothing to worry about."

Court documents also showed that during the four-hour interrogation, investigators told Dassey leading statements such as: "Tell us, and what else did you do? Come on. Something with the head, Brendan?"

Along with "Dassey’s age, intellectual deficits, and the absence of a supportive adult," the confession was ruled "involuntary."

"Dassey’s borderline to below average intellectual ability likely made him more susceptible to coercive pressures than a peer of higher intellect" and the teen lacked having "the benefit of an adult present to look out for his interests," the document said.

The documents also said that the "use of leading questions and disclosure of non-public facts makes it difficult to evaluate whether Dassey really knew the facts or was simply agreeing with the investigators." The ruling added that investigators only concluded their line of questioning after they had "indicated to Dassey that he finally gave the answer they were looking for."



I cant imagine though why anyone would be unhappy with the present day legal system can you?


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:09:05 PM   
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Vince .... the guy has a gun out...what do you suppose he did that for? Maybe to reach around and scratch his back... or maybe bag a rat for dinner... what crap... the punk got exactly what he deserved... It is pretty easy for us to say we would wait for him to use his gun. He was told to stop... he didn't he is dead good riddance. If I'm that cop I want to go home to my family.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:12:08 PM   
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did you see it?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:13:19 PM   
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The camera did yes.

Did the 100 assholes see it too?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:22:04 PM   
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link?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:24:40 PM   
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The links are already there...read them. You asked me if I saw it... now I'm asking you if all the rioters saw it....post me a link.... while you are at it... please show me what is the race of those involved.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:35:07 PM   
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I asked you if you saw it, you refused to respond with a yes or no, you provided no link, therefore you saw nothing not even a doctored video.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:40:29 PM   
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How many shootings have you seen? Do you have to see every shooting before you believe the police? You are being silly as usual... The cop was wearing a body camera... the truth will come out... There is no excuse for the animals to riot.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:46:04 PM   
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are you completely fucking dense?
If you did not see so much as a doctored video then you seen nothing at all zero and anyone with a brain larger than an ameaoba knows that what you said

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The camera did yes.



is complete bullshit!

Which means you cant even begin to guess if a camera seen any damn thing at all. Whats your major malfunction?

further more you dont know what the rioters saw DUH!

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:50:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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Granting that there have been police shootings where outrage is warranted, arson and destruction in a case where the guy was armed and refused to drop the weapon when ordered to do so?


Hard to justify the crowd's outrage on this one. However, the events are kind of murky. Kid was being chased while carrying a gun. Was he shot in the back while he ran? Was he backed against a wall? Was he a threat to the officer's life? Does any of that matter?

Difficult to draw any conclusion expect yours until the body video is released.


A person with a handgun fleeing is a danger to the public.

Only in Dallas. Do I win a prize? Cuz all those good citizens in Dallas and Orlando that were exercising there second amenment rights, when the cops came, they fled, didnt want to get shot.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:53:03 PM   
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Yea right... all 100 saw everything...We will find out if the camera saw anything...There is and was no excuse for the riot. Tell me RealOne... would you attack the police and destroy property if you were there?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 2:58:04 PM   
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"A person with a handgun fleeing is a danger to the public. "

Yup, and you can legally shoot them in the back. I know someone who did that. Totally cleared by the police, not charged and they gave him his gun back. Well the one he shot the punk with, not sure if they ever recovered the stolen one. They caught him a couple days later but who knows what happened to the hot piece.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 3:03:16 PM   
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Yea right... all 100 saw everything...We will find out if the camera saw anything...There is and was no excuse for the riot. Tell me RealOne... would you attack the police and destroy property if you were there?

Butch



hey shit fer brains, all it takes is one person with a cam to send it to everyone, you are so fucking arrogant you lie making false claims that you know what the rioters saw.

Why do you want to insure the continuation of the gubmints black slaughter policy going?


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 3:03:55 PM   
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lol... where is a link?

Black... who said he was black? Are you racist and assuming the man with the gun was black... shame on you

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 3:05:09 PM   
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lol... where is a link?


read your last post dumbass

wtg asshelmet, the camera saw the gun bit didnt see the person.

keep digging



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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/14/2016 3:06:33 PM   
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lol... where is a link?


read your last post dumbass



What do you mean what cam?

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