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longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 4:56:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look at he photo from police video As a former cop, I see someone take that stance and point anything at me when I was a cop, I would have dropped him as fast as I could squeeze the trigger. Sorry people, but there is no way in hell that guy was not trying to get dropped. As for shooting below the knee, as a poster stated from the UK, there is just a great a chance of hitting a major artery in the leg or even the arm and it being a fatal shot as firing center mass. A person with a major arterial bleed can bleed out in 4 minutes or less. And since this dumb ass took that stance, I dont give a flying fuck what the people in that city say, black, white or fucking purple, there is no officer anywhere in the United States that is going to hesitate waiting to find out if what is being pointed at him is a gun, or a vape device. Or better yet, how about this? We have officers wait to see if it really is a gun, and if it turns out to be a gun, then you go to that officers home, tell his widow and kids that he waited a split second too long to make fucking sure that guy was not armed, and it turned out that he was and now you get a nice funeral and a flag. This was, with the pic as evidence, a clean shoot. And if the people in that community want to bitch and protest, every cop working there should fucking quit and tell those stupid fucks they are on their own. Not to mention shooting at the lower leg is going to bounce bullets all around, through cars and walls. That's good advice. Official policy in the UK is to shot to stop. That means shooting to the torso. Not sure whether the individual who posted about shooting to the legs was part of a team who did things differently, but all recent police shootings where it was suspected that the suspect had a gun involved shots to the torso to "stop" (not to kill as has been alleged, although a shot to the torso does carry that risk).

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 5:12:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun. now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance. The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276 Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him. His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation. One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger. Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue.

Real0ne -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 6:50:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you. It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy. Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter. This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun? [8\|] video thats a good find vince, but as usual both of those videoes have parts edited immediately before (we hear the sound of where) he started blasting and a couple steps in, there are several duplicate frames. rule number 1 never give your original video the fuckgin gubblemint.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:06:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I wrote about a thousand victims, not just this one. Besides, wasn't this the case where the police received a call of a man acting strangely? Maybe they should have considered him as possibly mentally ill. In case you don't know this a mentally ill person can kill you same as a completly sane person, and are less likely to listen to reason.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:16:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it. They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him. So, not irrelevant. How do you know all that, OG, with such certitude? How do you know that it isn't true with any certitude, she lives at ground zero and there it a good chance she has more information than most of us.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:21:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look at he photo from police video As a former cop, I see someone take that stance and point anything at me when I was a cop, I would have dropped him as fast as I could squeeze the trigger. Sorry people, but there is no way in hell that guy was not trying to get dropped. As for shooting below the knee, as a poster stated from the UK, there is just a great a chance of hitting a major artery in the leg or even the arm and it being a fatal shot as firing center mass. A person with a major arterial bleed can bleed out in 4 minutes or less. And since this dumb ass took that stance, I dont give a flying fuck what the people in that city say, black, white or fucking purple, there is no officer anywhere in the United States that is going to hesitate waiting to find out if what is being pointed at him is a gun, or a vape device. Or better yet, how about this? We have officers wait to see if it really is a gun, and if it turns out to be a gun, then you go to that officers home, tell his widow and kids that he waited a split second too long to make fucking sure that guy was not armed, and it turned out that he was and now you get a nice funeral and a flag. This was, with the pic as evidence, a clean shoot. And if the people in that community want to bitch and protest, every cop working there should fucking quit and tell those stupid fucks they are on their own. Not to mention shooting at the lower leg is going to bounce bullets all around, through cars and walls. That's good advice. Official policy in the UK is to shot to stop. That means shooting to the torso. Not sure whether the individual who posted about shooting to the legs was part of a team who did things differently, but all recent police shootings where it was suspected that the suspect had a gun involved shots to the torso to "stop" (not to kill as has been alleged, although a shot to the torso does carry that risk). Torso, for those who are slow, equals center mass, which is where cops here are taught to shoot. We have a person on here who not only claims that he can shoot a person in the toe at 25 yards, but that this is as effective at stopping them as a torso shot. There are nuts on both sides of the Atlantic.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:23:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun. now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance. The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276 Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him. His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation. One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger. Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue. And how many civilians would have been killed while the cops where in hiding.

jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you. It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy. Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter. This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun? [8\|] video When he took a shooting stance and pointed something at the officer that took the shot, all of that went out the fucking window. But hey, who cares right, the cop was wrong and therefore should be crucified. If it had been a gun, the cop might be dead, then no one would give a fuck, especially the fools who seem to think that somebody taking a shooting stance probably does not have a gun, and the cop should have done nothing. Once they got the name from the sister, they would have run for priors, standard procedure, gives the officers on the scene some idea of who and what they are dealing with.

vincentML -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:50:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you. It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy. Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter. This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun? [8\|] video When he took a shooting stance and pointed something at the officer that took the shot, all of that went out the fucking window. But hey, who cares right, the cop was wrong and therefore should be crucified. If it had been a gun, the cop might be dead, then no one would give a fuck, especially the fools who seem to think that somebody taking a shooting stance probably does not have a gun, and the cop should have done nothing. Once they got the name from the sister, they would have run for priors, standard procedure, gives the officers on the scene some idea of who and what they are dealing with. The police took 50 minutes to arrive on the scene, so no emergency apparently. Looks like the shooter cop stalked the hands up victim left and right and back again. Going to his right the cop already had his gun out in his left hand. On the way back toward the truck it looks to me like the cop is pointing his gun at the vic, who had his hands up. Then they boxed him in. The shooter was no more than three feet from the vape. Look at the entire sequence and tell me you think that was effective police procedure.

OsideGirl -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:56:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Osidegirl The vic's previous record is irrelevant since the police presumably were unaware of it. They had contact with the sister when they arrived, she provided the name and they ran him. So, not irrelevant. How do you know all that, OG, with such certitude? How do you know that it isn't true with any certitude, she lives at ground zero and there it a good chance she has more information than most of us. Yup, and one of our neighbors is ECPD.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 7:59:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Having just watched the video - While I'm not thrilled the police shot an unarmed man. I can understand what happened. The victim was acting very agressive, assumed a shooters stance with an item that looks like a gun when it's pointed at you. It's easy to be an arm chair quarterback. But, when you have an aggressive person with a firearms conviction, assuming a shooting stance with a barrel pointed at you and a split second to decide. It's not quite so easy. Olango was moving sideways . . first to the right of the view and then to the left. It seems to me he had his arms out and spread wide. The cop followed him. Olango then moved back to the left of the view (his right) and the officer followed. They went back and forth like that, the range getting shorter. This was in a PARKING LOT, not in the street as reported. I believe you can clearly see the vic's arms spread wide. The second officer appears from Olango's left. So, they have him in front of the truck. Looks like they had him cornered and he tried to protect himself with his vape. The cop was three feet in front of the vape. He couldn't see it was not a gun? [8\|] video When he took a shooting stance and pointed something at the officer that took the shot, all of that went out the fucking window. But hey, who cares right, the cop was wrong and therefore should be crucified. If it had been a gun, the cop might be dead, then no one would give a fuck, especially the fools who seem to think that somebody taking a shooting stance probably does not have a gun, and the cop should have done nothing. Once they got the name from the sister, they would have run for priors, standard procedure, gives the officers on the scene some idea of who and what they are dealing with. The police took 50 minutes to arrive on the scene, so no emergency apparently. Looks like the shooter cop stalked the hands up victim left and right and back again. Going to his right the cop already had his gun out in his left hand. On the way back toward the truck it looks to me like the cop is pointing his gun at the vic, who had his hands up. Then they boxed him in. The shooter was no more than three feet from the vape. Look at the entire sequence and tell me you think that was effective police procedure. Kept him from hurting anyone didn't they. Still looks like suicide by cop.

Real0ne -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 8:16:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun. now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance. The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276 Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him. His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation. One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger. Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue. ok if you want to understand whats really going on in america and why you see these constant gestapo assassinations this documentary will knock your socks off. I found nothing 'glaringly' wrong with virtually the whole documentary with one exception because its an older video and did not include the latest creemee supreemee abortion where thye gutted the 4th. There is some serious oppression coming right around the corner. This will blow most people away because most people are completely dependant on attorneys and therefore completey ignorant of the 'real' law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLJCyEGt4E Here is where he explains why they escalate these stops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtnGpw0yRk Sort of long but extremely informative and factual. Not too long ago a friend of mine got into a fight with an agency(a), she filed a complaint with an oversight agency, I sat there grinning as she read and 'correctly' interpreted the law to the agent from the oversight agency and told them how agency(a) has no jurisdiction to enforce what they claim, the next day agency(a) apologized and went away when they realized they were on the bleeding edge of a suit that would not only cost them a shit load of money and also their scam against the people would have been exposed.

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 8:27:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun. now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance. The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276 Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him. His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation. One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger. Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue. And how many civilians would have been killed while the cops where in hiding. Mmmmmmm. I am suggesting that, where it has not been established that a confused or disorientated person has a gun, de-escalating situations rather than pulling a gun yourself can have better outcomes. Pulling a gun yourself as a precaution, although a reasonable thing to do, changes any scenario instantly. This is not about blaming individual cops. I am assuming that they are taught to pull their guns if they are in any doubt or even to routinely pull their guns if they need to detain anyone. It's just that if you look at the shooting of unarmed people, and you are used to police being unarmed, you sometimes wonder why the police had a gun in their hand anyway. When command has to decide whether or not to send armed officers there is less chance of unnecessarily escalating a situation where someone doesn't have a gun. If this all sounds counter-intuitive, there has recently been a major reduction in the number of civilians killed and injured in high speed car chases in the UK (both suspects and bystanders). The issue was studied and it was decided to take the decision to carry on with a direct pursuit away from the officer pursuing. Some bad guys (mainly those who had committed a minor offence or no offence at all, apart from not stopping for a car with flashing lights) got away but most were caught anyway. However many lives were saved. Sometimes using maximum force doesn't save lives, it costs lives.

Real0ne -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 9:25:42 PM)
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Chaska -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 9:28:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun. now that the man is dead its easy to assign an excuse for murdering him after the fact. The woman called the cops to help her brother not waste him on a technicality that could have been avoided if they had simply given the man some space and watched him from a reasonable distance. The police are trained to escalate situatins because that is where the money is at jeff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-wRyepWZ0#t=276 Alfred Olango Survived Idi Amin and Refugee Camps. San Diego Cops Killed Him. His sister called 911 to ask them to help her brother. When police finally arrived, they shot him down. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/29/alfred-olango-survived-idi-amin-and-refugee-camps-san-diego-cops-killed-him.html Not sure about all of the above post but you can't help wondering whether some of the recent US police shootings could have been avoided by taking cover and de-escalating the situation. One advantage of police on patrol not having weapons is that they have to relay on other skills to protect themselves and public safety. I can't blame someone for reacting to having something which looks like a weapon pointed at them by taking a shot, but I just wonder about the sub-conscious expectation the police have about how situations will develop and the effect it has on what you do, especially in terms of escalation and the connection between your brain and your trigger finger. Recent experiments in the US have shown that both black and white police officers are more likely to take a shot when the person they are dealing with is an unarmed black man compared to an unarmed white man. The effect of the race of the subject along with training, preparation and sub-conscious expectations is clearly a complex issue. ok if you want to understand whats really going on in america and why you see these constant gestapo assassinations this documentary will knock your socks off. I found nothing 'glaringly' wrong with virtually the whole documentary with one exception because its an older video and did not include the latest creemee supreemee abortion where thye gutted the 4th. There is some serious oppression coming right around the corner. This will blow most people away because most people are completely dependant on attorneys and therefore completey ignorant of the 'real' law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLJCyEGt4E Here is where he explains why they escalate these stops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtnGpw0yRk Sort of long but extremely informative and factual. Not too long ago a friend of mine got into a fight with an agency(a), she filed a complaint with an oversight agency, I sat there grinning as she read and 'correctly' interpreted the law to the agent from the oversight agency and told them how agency(a) has no jurisdiction to enforce what they claim, the next day agency(a) apologized and went away when they realized they were on the bleeding edge of a suit that would not only cost them a shit load of money and also their scam against the people would have been exposed. I've only briefly reviewed the videos but, thanks for sharing the info. Here is another one that may be of interest Police Brutality

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (9/30/2016 11:52:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne [Edited] ok if you want to understand whats really going on in america and why you see these constant gestapo assassinations this documentary will knock your socks off. I found nothing 'glaringly' wrong with virtually the whole documentary with one exception because its an older video and did not include the latest creemee supreemee abortion where thye gutted the 4th. There is some serious oppression coming right around the corner. This will blow most people away because most people are completely dependant on attorneys and therefore completey ignorant of the 'real' law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLJCyEGt4E Here is where he explains why they escalate these stops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtnGpw0yRk Sort of long but extremely informative and factual. Not too long ago a friend of mine got into a fight with an agency(a), she filed a complaint with an oversight agency, I sat there grinning as she read and 'correctly' interpreted the law to the agent from the oversight agency and told them how agency(a) has no jurisdiction to enforce what they claim, the next day agency(a) apologized and went away when they realized they were on the bleeding edge of a suit that would not only cost them a shit load of money and also their scam against the people would have been exposed. Thanks. I've watched your material and we certainly don't have the theoretical constitutional rights you guys have in the US when we are dealing with the Police. On the flip side we don't have armed soldiers (sorry police officers) on our streets upholding the law at the point of a gun. We only have to look to Northern Ireland where we do have an armed Police force, for understandable reasons, to see how difficult it is to maintain community support for armed guards on the streets.

LadyDemura -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:12:52 AM)
Why again are officers allowed to confront suspects at all without a legal council mediator? Seems like this would resolve this issue...and make the department pay for the fees if the suspect is not convicted...they just need to stop confronting people that aren't a real threat period, I get active shooters are something different, but if they haven't shot a civilian and are of no threat to civilians, why not require legal council to be the first contact, and TV news to be there if there is a confrontation so we can get a good camera angle...

Real0ne -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:23:37 AM)
well we do not have 'constitutional' rights either, in theory or otherwise. We and you have inherent rights that 'pre-exist', and hence they are the foundation upon which any community compact (constitution) is even authorized to exist. (in our case commercial, the king was concerned about how he was going to get paid after running the bills up with war, same as is done today) The constitution only proves the state has acknowledged and stipulated to honor and respect the rights we 'reserved' on to ourselves, severally and jointly, not as a group, as individuals regardless what capacity we present ourselves, but like the king on your side of the pond our rights have been hijacked through criminal collusion. Reserved rights can most easily be understood as "I wont sign unless you _____". That is how a reserved right is created. A reserved right removes regulatory jurisdiction from the created state reserving it to its creators. (individuals jointy and severally) Our rights are 'almost' the same as yours, there is little 'defacto' difference between the operation of our governemnts. We still have all our land titles in 'feud' (fee simple) same as yours ;) You can look back to the magna charta and the 1649 UK BoR and you will find that our now worshipped constitutors--(someone who draws up a contract to pay a debt to another) pretty much copy-pasted it word for word. LOL Technically you have more rights because allodial land contracts stil exist and at the top of the contract with the state is a real person, here its a fucking piece of paper with no head to chop off. If you dig into your law, you will find its gubmint by euphemisims here too, now pre-crime, you are arrested because they looked into their crystal ball and ASSume you might commit a crime, no hard evidence needed. Just pay the fucking fine shutup and get out. Its the 3rd world shithole this country has devolved into using the same mo they have since its conception. No sooner was the ink dry and they began hijacking our rights, why because there is nothing written into law to prevent them from doing so and militias are long since abolished. Just ask GC!

LadyDemura -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:32:04 AM)
why should a single officer have the ability to take away one of these fundamental rights...life?

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:57:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura Why again are officers allowed to confront suspects at all without a legal council mediator? Seems like this would resolve this issue...and make the department pay for the fees if the suspect is not convicted...they just need to stop confronting people that aren't a real threat period, I get active shooters are something different, but if they haven't shot a civilian and are of no threat to civilians, why not require legal council to be the first contact, and TV news to be there if there is a confrontation so we can get a good camera angle... I completely agree with your point about confronting people (especially at gunpoint) who are not "active shooters" as you put it. Why exactly do cops pull their weapons at unarmed drivers at DUI checkpoints just because they are refusing to comply and show their licence and insurance? If you can't deal with a gobby member of the public who isn't physically threatening you, you're in the wrong job.

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