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BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:27:29 PM)
i don't know about what kind of Mayberry RFD you worked in but here they get serious good money and a benefit package you wouldn't believe. Plus if they kill anyone they get two weeks off with pay. Maybe things are/were different there but today, up here in the city, being a cop pays pretty good. You think they should be fired, till it is determined they are innocent, of kept on duty till they find they are guilty?

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD 7 cops were ambushed in one day and what did they do to bring it on themselves, they were protecting a BLM demonstration. Dont matter, cops lives arent worth two cents when compared to black lives, at least that is the why I am beginning to read it. So far for 2016, 38 officers shot dead in the line of duty. And while people take to the streets to protest the killing of a black man in the US, how many of those people take to the streets to protest killing a cop. The Black Lives Matter movement has yet to denounce the New Black Panther's call for blacks to kill cops, have not denounced the people who kill cops from ambush, and only a small percentage of the marchers on the streets the night that 7 officers were ambushed and killed even bothered to show up for the memorial. How about this solution. Repeal the Posse Comitatus Act, bring all troops stationed over seas home, and let those guys police the cities where they seem to celebrate a cop getting killed. Either that or eliminate police patrols in any neighborhood or community where a cop has been killed and none of the citizens seem to give a fuck. To many people see the cops as the bad guys. To many cities make laws that force the police into to many confrontations they shouldn't have to be in. Those confrontations cause more tension than ever before. Then the same city leaders throw the cops under the bus (the goes all the way up ton the President). If the cops ignore the mickey mouse stuff theyn are told to do they are wrong. If they enforce itn an anything goes wrong it is automatically the cops fault. How many people still belive that Michael Brown was sot in the back of the head while trying to surrender?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:41:25 PM)
Has your nation run out of innocent savage darkies to put to sleep I think if the Americans give themselves guns, then their death squads can mow down whom they feel like with impunity...and whom they may miss I am certain a 2 year olde can blow its mums brains out from the back seat of the car (not an isolated incident) and the school/college population is mown down at a rate I need a calculator to keep count off...savage darkies do no count for the are worthless and they asked for it because all blacks look shifty, when they are not bleeding the system dry with their criminality,at the power known 1/10000 of corprations with the manner known as no swindle. and heinous skin tone Gun death per decade is almost my countries population = 5.3 million. I am utterly fascinated if they can gun down themselves faster than they can breed i barely tolerate you and you are one of the better on here

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:43:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome I completely agree with your point about confronting people (especially at gunpoint) who are not "active shooters" as you put it. Why exactly do cops pull their weapons at unarmed drivers at DUI checkpoints just because they are refusing to comply and show their licence and insurance? If you can't deal with a gobby member of the public who isn't physically threatening you, you're in the wrong job. There are a couple of reasons, most common sense when you think about it. 1) The officer has no clue if there is or is not a weapon in the car, and considering how many officers have been shot or injured in routine traffic stops, you cant blame the procedure. 2) When someone refuses to comply with an officer's instructions, they are committing a criminal act, and depending on the severity of the individuals actions could be as minor as a misdemeanor or as major as a felony. We're all on the same place with a suspect waving a gun around. No matter what you are doing with the gun, if you get shot by the police, you were doing something so risky you can hardly complain. But am I really the only person who thinks it's not okay to point a gun at someone just because they have broken a minor law? Couldn't it just be a bit counter-productive? Really, what do you define as a minor law? Maybe we should abolish those nanny state laws that aren't worth enforcing. Why don't you name them for me. Let's see, you enter my property in the middle of the night to take things that I've traded parts of my productive life to acquire. How about that? Maybe, you confront me and/or my family and threaten physical harm in order to literally frighten me into giving you stuff that I've worked portions of my life to have. How about that? I will give you one to abolish, selling individual cigaretts.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 1:52:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Has your nation run out of innocent savage darkies to put to sleep I think if the Americans give themselves guns, then their death squads can mow down whom they feel like with impunity...and whom they may miss I am certain a 2 year olde can blow its mums brains out from the back seat of the car (not an isolated incident) and the school/college population is mown down at a rate I need a calculator to keep count off...savage darkies do no count for the are worthless and they asked for it because all blacks look shifty, when they are not bleeding the system dry with their criminality,at the power known 1/10000 of corprations with the manner known as no swindle. and heinous skin tone Gun death per decade is almost my countries population = 5.3 million. I am utterly fascinated if they can gun down themselves faster than they can breed i barely tolerate you and you are one of the better on here 530,000 people a year are killed in this country per year via firearms , are you crazy, or just stupid?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 2:26:23 PM)
I am flawed, not that you would understand. And do you now I am okay with that and it has been a while since one warmed my bed and skin beside me, other than a hot water bottle and I am led believe they are all fakes or 99% liars, non verified behold there realities scum of the earth., or cheats or parasites – x my 12 years – less you declare me an anomaly...I have never made that secret times many epochs. One can conclude messes like you are in demand and essence of souls and infinities are not I said the population of my country is 5.3 million (Scotland) and within one decade (that’s 10 years) America slaughters’ itself at the rate the of 4millin plus – how did yo see it dffft before you constructed your lies, sophistry There a few verified on here – I am creature, you and almost are not – what of your kindred carries weight – the density of all your kind exceeds mine and the froth of all enablers the many But you said 530,000 people a year are killed in this country per year via firearms , are you crazy, or just stupid? BamaD I declare thee a liar and damn liar and fuking idiot with and IQ that would not worry cold steaming turd riddles wit antrax, but your numbers are the many on here are they not Do you know how many real people have mailed me on hereover 12 years = 1 Scotland = 0 England zero Canada Zero USA oddly one form albany and you and your mess drove her from here You all sicken me or behold I Decisions x 12 years = 0

jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 2:46:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD i don't know about what kind of Mayberry RFD you worked in but here they get serious good money and a benefit package you wouldn't believe. Plus if they kill anyone they get two weeks off with pay. Maybe things are/were different there but today, up here in the city, being a cop pays pretty good. You think they should be fired, till it is determined they are innocent, of kept on duty till they find they are guilty? The average pay for police is $56,810 a year, great salary.... 1092.50 a week IF the officer only works, either on patrol or doing paper work etx, 60 hours a week, its still good, $18.21 an hour Problem is that most departments are understaffed so the average police officer work week is between 70 and 80 hours a week. Now for that pay they are expected to put their lives on the line, put up with bullshit from a public that criticizes every decision, miss time with their family. By the way, in the US, the average middle class income is $70 to 78,000 a year.

Real0ne -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 3:09:57 PM)
I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them?

vincentML -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 5:32:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them? His point was that the poor salary & working conditions attract barely qualified candidates to the Force.

vincentML -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 5:47:26 PM)
quote: No we aren't, ML thinks that waving a gun around is ok if you are i an op0en carry state. I never said that, Bama , and you are shitty mind reader. We are waiting for the video that shows the vic waving his gun around. Oh really, there is no evidence to support that claim? Yeah, sure. [8\|]

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 6:32:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire I am flawed, not that you would understand. And do you now I am okay with that and it has been a while since one warmed my bed and skin beside me, other than a hot water bottle and I am led believe they are all fakes or 99% liars, non verified behold there realities scum of the earth., or cheats or parasites – x my 12 years – less you declare me an anomaly...I have never made that secret times many epochs. One can conclude messes like you are in demand and essence of souls and infinities are not I said the population of my country is 5.3 million (Scotland) and within one decade (that’s 10 years) America slaughters’ itself at the rate the of 4millin plus – how did yo see it dffft before you constructed your lies, sophistry There a few verified on here – I am creature, you and almost are not – what of your kindred carries weight – the density of all your kind exceeds mine and the froth of all enablers the many But you said 530,000 people a year are killed in this country per year via firearms , are you crazy, or just stupid? BamaD I declare thee a liar and damn liar and fuking idiot with and IQ that would not worry cold steaming turd riddles wit antrax, but your numbers are the many on here are they not Do you know how many real people have mailed me on hereover 12 years = 1 Scotland = 0 England zero Canada Zero USA oddly one form albany and you and your mess drove her from here You all sicken me or behold I Decisions x 12 years = 0 No, I was calling you on the claim that 5.3 million people were killed here in the last decade, now maybe they do math different there than here but here a decade is 10 years, and 1/10 0f 5.3 million is 530,000 per year.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 6:37:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: No we aren't, ML thinks that waving a gun around is ok if you are i an op0en carry state. I never said that, Bama , and you are shitty mind reader. We are waiting for the video that shows the vic waving his gun around. Oh really, there is no evidence to support that claim? Yeah, sure. [8\|] You have repeatedly said that since NC is an open carry state it is ok to pull one out when the police start talking to you and that they have no right to tell you to put it down. I don't have to read you mind, I have read your posts.

thompsonx -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 6:45:39 PM)
ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There are a couple of reasons, most common sense when you think about it. No it is not comnmon sense at all no mater how often you say so. 1) The officer has no clue if there is or is not a weapon in the car, You might acquaint yourself with the concept of the "terry stop" What the officer doesn't know is irrelevant. and considering how many officers have been shot or injured in routine traffic stops, you cant blame the procedure. What is that fraction of a single digit percentage of traffic stops that result in an officer being shot? Stop making shit up. 2) When someone refuses to comply with an officer's instructions, they are committing a criminal act, Could you cite me the law that says you have to suck a cops dick if he instructs you to do so? Stop making shit up.

jlf1961 -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 7:17:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them? His point was that the poor salary & working conditions attract barely qualified candidates to the Force. Exactly. And if cities do not want to pay for the best, then they deserve what they get or no police protection at all. The best qualified are leaving police forces in droves to go to forces that pay better and they know they will be hired in a heart beat, or they are getting out of the job altogether leaving men and women on the force that barely meet the minimum standards in all qualifications. Or to put it bluntly, men and women that barely pass the psych eval for temper and motivations for being cops. Or maybe you will understand it this way, police departments are being put in the position to hire people who want the badge and gun for the power they think it gives them. Sorry, but those are the very people you do not want being cops. I had one deputy here in the county tell me my wolf hybrid was illegal to own. Since I know there are no breed specific laws in the county, I asked him to cite the ordinance. After he stalled a few minutes, I very politely informed him that as of that minute, the county had no breed specific laws, and the law that was considered by the state had been voted down. I then informed his watch commander (a guy I go hunting with every year) about the incident.

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 7:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome I completely agree with your point about confronting people (especially at gunpoint) who are not "active shooters" as you put it. Why exactly do cops pull their weapons at unarmed drivers at DUI checkpoints just because they are refusing to comply and show their licence and insurance? If you can't deal with a gobby member of the public who isn't physically threatening you, you're in the wrong job. There are a couple of reasons, most common sense when you think about it. 1) The officer has no clue if there is or is not a weapon in the car, and considering how many officers have been shot or injured in routine traffic stops, you cant blame the procedure. 2) When someone refuses to comply with an officer's instructions, they are committing a criminal act, and depending on the severity of the individuals actions could be as minor as a misdemeanor or as major as a felony. We're all on the same place with a suspect waving a gun around. No matter what you are doing with the gun, if you get shot by the police, you were doing something so risky you can hardly complain. But am I really the only person who thinks it's not okay to point a gun at someone just because they have broken a minor law? Couldn't it just be a bit counter-productive? Really, what do you define as a minor law? Maybe we should abolish those nanny state laws that aren't worth enforcing. Why don't you name them for me. Let's see, you enter my property in the middle of the night to take things that I've traded parts of my productive life to acquire. How about that? Maybe, you confront me and/or my family and threaten physical harm in order to literally frighten me into giving you stuff that I've worked portions of my life to have. How about that? Did you even read the stuff you are commenting on? I don't agree with everything jlf1961 is saying, but he is actually arguing point by point in a logical and respectful manner. Nobody suggested abolishing any law at all. When I made that point I wasn't even suggesting disarming police. I was just wondering if pulling a gun on someone who was refusing to show their driver's documentation in a peaceful, non-threatening manner was a good idea. Most cops wouldn't but some do and escalate the situation unnecessarily. jlf1961 was suggesting to me that assessing whether a situation was "non-threatening" might prove difficult in practice and a cop might opt for safety first, which is a fair point. He also pointed out that many officers rarely use their weapons and go for a less heavy-handed approach most of the time. You can think of all sorts of minor offences which might be relevant here like refusing to show documentation, minor traffic offences, shop-lifting, illegally selling goods on the streets. There is a big difference between someone refusing to comply when a suspect is doing nothing that is threatening someone's life (or may not have committed an offence at all) and refusing to comply when you have assaulted someone and have a weapon in your hand. Chill for goodness sake. We are talking about judgement calls and escalation here, not letting people invade other's homes and put their families at risk.

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 7:54:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome We're all on the same place with a suspect waving a gun around. No matter what you are doing with the gun, if you get shot by the police, you were doing something so risky you can hardly complain. But am I really the only person who thinks it's not okay to point a gun at someone just because they have broken a minor law? Couldn't it just be a bit counter-productive? No we aren't, ML thinks that waving a gun around is ok if you are i an op0en carry state. Not sure he was exactly saying that, but even then, I certainly wouldn't blame the police for being safe rather than sorry and taking a shot if someone was refusing to comply and holding a weapon. The issue is how you act proportionately when someone isn't holding a weapon. I get that it is not an easy issue when the member of the public might have one concealed and an officer is unsighted and has to approach with care.

thompsonx -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 7:56:31 PM)
ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I wrote about a thousand victims, not just this one. Besides, wasn't this the case where the police received a call of a man acting strangely? Maybe they should have considered him as possibly mentally ill. Vincent, while I am quite used to you taking the side of anyone but the police, the man in question pulled something out of his pocket and took a shooting stance and 'aimed' the object at an officer. No officer is going to take a chance to wait and see if that 'object' is or is not a loaded gun. He was three feet away...are you claimiong he was blind? The officer did exactly as any cop, Cops are trained to eliminate any hostile witnesses. soldier, Soldiers are not trained to do that. Stop making shit up. or properly trained individual would to, he fired his weapon. Like any good assasin Now, if you are advocating that in a situation such as this, that the officer wait and see if it is a gun (which means the cop has to wait and see if he gets shot) then you are either an idiot, or worse. Well that is his job. As I said before, the way these people are protesting, given the photographic evidence, every cop in that town should fucking resign, and the state should pull every law enforcement agency out of the place. Leave em without any police protection. So now you are going to punish them???[8\|] I agree that cops that shoot an unarmed person without reason need to be punished, in this case there was reason to suspect the officer was in danger, in that instant before the shots were fired. That is not what the video shows. This is fucking bullshit, blame the cop when there was no way in hell he could know what was being pointed at him was not a gun. From three feet away[8\|]Yeah right???

WickedsDesire -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 8:06:29 PM)
They are not for you, or me.

longwayhome -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 8:24:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I dont give a rats ass what they are getting paid, if they arent happy they can get another job, that does not mean we should accept shoddy service from them. Why are you aplogizing for them? His point was that the poor salary & working conditions attract barely qualified candidates to the Force. Exactly. And if cities do not want to pay for the best, then they deserve what they get or no police protection at all. The best qualified are leaving police forces in droves to go to forces that pay better and they know they will be hired in a heart beat, or they are getting out of the job altogether leaving men and women on the force that barely meet the minimum standards in all qualifications. Or to put it bluntly, men and women that barely pass the psych eval for temper and motivations for being cops. Or maybe you will understand it this way, police departments are being put in the position to hire people who want the badge and gun for the power they think it gives them. Sorry, but those are the very people you do not want being cops. I had one deputy here in the county tell me my wolf hybrid was illegal to own. Since I know there are no breed specific laws in the county, I asked him to cite the ordinance. After he stalled a few minutes, I very politely informed him that as of that minute, the county had no breed specific laws, and the law that was considered by the state had been voted down. I then informed his watch commander (a guy I go hunting with every year) about the incident. Absolutely. The challenge is make sure that the people who join the police are motivated by wanting to protect the public and make their communities more peaceful and happy places, rather than people who want a badge, power and status. Upholding the law is all about working with your community, not just throwing your weight around and stopping the bad guys however you can. It's a difficult job and you need smart, committed people with the right temperament to do that. That challenge is the same the world over. The good cops struggle because recruiting and retaining the right people to be their colleagues just aint easy. And it doesn't come cheap whatever city, state or country you live in.

BamaD -> RE: Yet another unarmed black man shot to death by police (10/1/2016 9:40:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome We're all on the same place with a suspect waving a gun around. No matter what you are doing with the gun, if you get shot by the police, you were doing something so risky you can hardly complain. But am I really the only person who thinks it's not okay to point a gun at someone just because they have broken a minor law? Couldn't it just be a bit counter-productive? No we aren't, ML thinks that waving a gun around is ok if you are i an op0en carry state. Not sure he was exactly saying that, but even then, I certainly wouldn't blame the police for being safe rather than sorry and taking a shot if someone was refusing to comply and holding a weapon. The issue is how you act proportionately when someone isn't holding a weapon. I get that it is not an easy issue when the member of the public might have one concealed and an officer is unsighted and has to approach with care. It still verys, Michaels Brown didn't have a weapon, but he had already beaten the cop to a pulp, and tried to take his gun from him, and was coming back, apparently to finish the job when he was shot. The incident began when the officer told him and a friend not to walk in the middle of the street, Brown had just committed a strong armed robbery ( they had that on tape) and apparently panicked. Thus he got to attack before the cop was able to do anything.

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