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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
The Qur’an clearly states “There is no compulsion in religion, the path of guidance stands out clear from error” [2:256] and [60:8]. In this verse, the word “rushd” or “path of guidance” refers to the entire domain of human life, not just to the rites and theology of Islam.

There is no debate about the fact that pre-Islamic Arabia was a misguided society dominated by tribalism and a blind obedience to custom. In contrast, the clarity of Islam and its emphasis on reason and rational proofs excluded any need to impose it by force. This verse is a clear indication that the Qur’an is strictly opposed to the use of compulsion in religious faith. Similarly, Allah addressed Sayiddina Muhammad r saying, “Remind them, for you are only one who reminds.” [88:21] Allah addresses the believers, urging them to obey the injunctions of Islam, “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if you do turn back, then know that it is Our Messenger’s duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.” [5:92] However, this verse makes it clear that the Messenger’s duty is only to proclaim and preach the message; it remains to each individual to accept and to follow.
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=3

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ORIGINAL: Kirata



Well, I don't think beheading will force someone to believe something.
K.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
They wanted to remain pious and observant Muslims, but believed that the way to return to the “glory days” of Islam was to “return” to the original spirit of vitality and authenticity of Islam, before the influence of “foreign ideas” crept into Islam, sapping its authenticity.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I am not going to chase you around the block every time you get your ass handed to you and move the goal posts to a new argument, especially when I have to post definitions for simple words that you use incorrectly.

Well, then you are comatose, the only one with their ass handed them is you. You can now put your head up it again. There is no new argument, no eyewitness accounts, no miracles with eyewitness accounts.

Here are some simple dates on nero, 15 December 37 AD – 9 June 68 AD

Give me Jeebus. And then you can do the same for god.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
All Muslims seek to emulate the Prophet Muhammad.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

wow beevus thats briliant, how do you kill a triune God? LOL
We arent talking about any constitution, better double down on your meds before you post

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

wow beevus thats briliant, how do you kill a triune God? LOL
We arent talking about any constitution, better double down on your meds before you post

well, buttlick, a triune god? seems like he was one once, after they got rid of his wife in the original fairytale, but you have the problem that jeebus prayed to what he called his father, and never proclaimed himself, or the holy spirit god.

By the Three, what a changeable impotent god you have.

And now we aint seen none of these three, so theres the proof the invisibility cloak is working

Seems you have big problems.

The Triune God of Christianity, became flesh and blood (transubstantiated), and walked among us, too bad you missed it. You managed to kill the body, the flesh and blood, but you did not kill God nor did you kill the Holy Spirit.

I sort of doubt you would ever see so much as a hint of anything what so ever about God since you spend all your time cursing God.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

wow beevus thats briliant, how do you kill a triune God? LOL
We arent talking about any constitution, better double down on your meds before you post

well, buttlick, a triune god? seems like he was one once, after they got rid of his wife in the original fairytale, but you have the problem that jeebus prayed to what he called his father, and never proclaimed himself, or the holy spirit god.

By the Three, what a changeable impotent god you have.

And now we aint seen none of these three, so theres the proof the invisibility cloak is working

Seems you have big problems.

The Triune God of Christianity, became flesh and blood (transubstantiated), and walked among us, too bad you missed it. You managed to kill the body, the flesh and blood, but you did not kill God nor did you kill the Holy Spirit.

I sort of doubt you would ever see so much as a hint of anything what so ever about God since you spend all your time cursing God.

Ja, trouble with you retards is someone who is as fucking retarded as you are writes some fantastick toilet lick, and now you got some three headed monster, who nobody, and I mean nobody has ever seen, who does not talk, who does not interact, who you retards missed that never walked amongst you, not existing and so on. And kills the human body and spirit, but not the hallucinations of you retarded fucks. Go transubstantiate your felchgobbling asswipe, dumbass.

Many people have experienced God's interaction.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So much hatred, you must be off your meds again, you are denying recorded history......again.
Dont worry, I am confident that you will never see God regardless its been recorded in secular history and the sacred texts of the Jews.

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....[5]
-Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

Lucian
The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
-Lucian, "The Death of Peregrine", 11-13, in The Works of Lucian of Samosata, transl. by H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler, 4 vols. (Oxford: Clarendon, 1949), vol. 4., cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 206.

Babylonian Talmud <-the Jewish Bible
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."

Josephus
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.
-Josephus, Antiquities 18.63-64, cited in Yamauchi, "Jesus Outside the New Testament", 212


Let's summarize what we've learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!

http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

Face it everyone seen him but you.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I am not going to chase you around the block every time you get your ass handed to you and move the goal posts to a new argument, especially when I have to post definitions for simple words that you use incorrectly.

Well, then you are comatose, the only one with their ass handed them is you. You can now put your head up it again. There is no new argument, no eyewitness accounts, no miracles with eyewitness accounts.

Here are some simple dates on nero, 15 December 37 AD – 9 June 68 AD

Give me Jeebus. And then you can do the same for god.

What do you mean by AD, exactly?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Jesus appeared 12 times to different group sizes ranging from just one person to 500 people.

1) Mary Magdalene (Mark 16.9-11; John 20.11-18), Peter in Jerusalem (Luke 24.34; 1 Cor. 15.5), Jesus' brother (insider skeptic) James (1 Cor. 15.7). "And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any [man]; for they were afraid" (Mark 16.8). Some of the New Testament authors explicitly claimed to be eyewitnesses to Jesus' resurrection (and transfiguration). Peter said, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty" (2 Pet. 2.16). John also said, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched...we proclaim to you what we have seen and heard" (1 John 1.1,3).
2) The other women at the tomb (Matthew 28.8-10).
3) The two travelers on the road (Mark 16.12,13; Luke 24.13-34).
4) Ten disciples behind closed doors (Mark 16.14; Luke 24.35-43; John 20.19-25).
5) All the disciples, with Thomas, excluding Judas Iscariot (John 20.26-31; 1 Cor. 15.5).
6) Seven disciples while fishing (John 21.1-14).
7) Eleven disciples on the mountain (Matthew 28.16-20).
8) A crowd of 500 "most of whom are still alive" at the time of Paul writing (1 Cor. 15.6). This may have been the same group as in Matt. 28.16: the rendezvous was to "to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them." Unlike the other accounts which were unexpected and by surprise, and to gather such a large number of people, this meeting was held outdoors. The women were told to tell the disciples to meet Jesus in Galilee as well. "And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted" (Matt. 28.17) may be a reference to many present, both believers and non-believers. Paul had firsthand contact with them. So it was not a legend. He knew some of the people had died in the interim, but most were still alive. He is saying in effect they are still around to be questioned. You can talk to some of the witnesses. He never could have made this challenge if this event had not occurred.
9) "Then to all the apostles" (1 Cor. 15.7) which includes the Twelve plus all the other apostles.
10) Jesus appeared to the disciples in Jerusalem (Luke 24.44-49).
11) Those who watched Jesus ascend to heaven (Mark 16.19,20; Luke 24.50-53; Acts 1.3-8).
12) Least of all Paul (outsider skeptic) with others present and as though he was not living in the proper time (1 Cor. 15.8-9; Gal. 1.13-16; Acts 9.1-8, 22.9, read all of chapters 22 and 26; 13.30-37; 1 Cor. 15.10-20; Gal. 2.1-10).


sure got around a lot for a dead guy

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Referring to writings doesn't prove a thing...see my last. There was no guy, let alone a dead guy.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I am not going to chase you around the block every time you get your ass handed to you and move the goal posts to a new argument, especially when I have to post definitions for simple words that you use incorrectly.

Well, then you are comatose, the only one with their ass handed them is you. You can now put your head up it again. There is no new argument, no eyewitness accounts, no miracles with eyewitness accounts.

Here are some simple dates on nero, 15 December 37 AD – 9 June 68 AD

Give me Jeebus. And then you can do the same for god.

What do you mean by AD, exactly?

Anno Domini. You might want to walk very carefully thru your next question or comment. it does not bode well for those of faith.

LOL.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

wow beevus thats briliant, how do you kill a triune God? LOL
We arent talking about any constitution, better double down on your meds before you post

well, buttlick, a triune god? seems like he was one once, after they got rid of his wife in the original fairytale, but you have the problem that jeebus prayed to what he called his father, and never proclaimed himself, or the holy spirit god.

By the Three, what a changeable impotent god you have.

And now we aint seen none of these three, so theres the proof the invisibility cloak is working

Seems you have big problems.

The Triune God of Christianity, became flesh and blood (transubstantiated), and walked among us, too bad you missed it. You managed to kill the body, the flesh and blood, but you did not kill God nor did you kill the Holy Spirit.

I sort of doubt you would ever see so much as a hint of anything what so ever about God since you spend all your time cursing God.

He missed nothing, there is no such thing as transubstantiation. It is ALL in your imagination remember ? One does not curse what does not exist.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Jesus appeared 12 times to different group sizes ranging from just one person to 500 people.

1) Mary Magdalene (Mark 16.9-11; John 20.11-18), Peter in Jerusalem (Luke 24.34; 1 Cor. 15.5), Jesus' brother (insider skeptic) James (1 Cor. 15.7). "And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any [man]; for they were afraid" (Mark 16.8). Some of the New Testament authors explicitly claimed to be eyewitnesses to Jesus' resurrection (and transfiguration). Peter said, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty" (2 Pet. 2.16). John also said, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched...we proclaim to you what we have seen and heard" (1 John 1.1,3).
2) The other women at the tomb (Matthew 28.8-10).
3) The two travelers on the road (Mark 16.12,13; Luke 24.13-34).
4) Ten disciples behind closed doors (Mark 16.14; Luke 24.35-43; John 20.19-25).
5) All the disciples, with Thomas, excluding Judas Iscariot (John 20.26-31; 1 Cor. 15.5).
6) Seven disciples while fishing (John 21.1-14).
7) Eleven disciples on the mountain (Matthew 28.16-20).
8) A crowd of 500 "most of whom are still alive" at the time of Paul writing (1 Cor. 15.6). This may have been the same group as in Matt. 28.16: the rendezvous was to "to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them." Unlike the other accounts which were unexpected and by surprise, and to gather such a large number of people, this meeting was held outdoors. The women were told to tell the disciples to meet Jesus in Galilee as well. "And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted" (Matt. 28.17) may be a reference to many present, both believers and non-believers. Paul had firsthand contact with them. So it was not a legend. He knew some of the people had died in the interim, but most were still alive. He is saying in effect they are still around to be questioned. You can talk to some of the witnesses. He never could have made this challenge if this event had not occurred.
9) "Then to all the apostles" (1 Cor. 15.7) which includes the Twelve plus all the other apostles.
10) Jesus appeared to the disciples in Jerusalem (Luke 24.44-49).
11) Those who watched Jesus ascend to heaven (Mark 16.19,20; Luke 24.50-53; Acts 1.3-8).
12) Least of all Paul (outsider skeptic) with others present and as though he was not living in the proper time (1 Cor. 15.8-9; Gal. 1.13-16; Acts 9.1-8, 22.9, read all of chapters 22 and 26; 13.30-37; 1 Cor. 15.10-20; Gal. 2.1-10).


sure got around a lot for a dead guy

Referring to writings doesn't prove a thing...see my last. There was no guy, let alone a dead guy.

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Exactly, they dont know have the date correct even in fantasy, any AD or BC is incorrect. I rest my case. Don't know what your case is, but if it is to prove that there are abundant lack of facts and reason that makes up the fairytale, good one on ya. If it was something else, then not so much.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

good point, Christ was actually born like everyone else though of a virgin.

transubstantiation is the turning of wine into the blood of Christ and the bread into the flesh of Christ.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Exactly, they dont know have the date correct even in fantasy, any AD or BC is incorrect. I rest my case. Don't know what your case is, but if it is to prove that there are abundant lack of facts and reason that makes up the fairytale, good one on ya. If it was something else, then not so much.

only a complete imbicile would claim it was a fairytale and claim they lack facts which of course means they are a 1/2 wit blowing smoke up everyone ass.

Now if you can prove fraud (which you cant) you might bring your credibility up 1/2 notch.