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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:00:57 AM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:03:41 AM   
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One only need ask the question, but as I said, its from within not the world where the answer is to be found.


I disagree. The world is part of it in this existence.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:05:07 AM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		sure that does not mean however the answer lies 'outside', and can be obtained from 'the world'.


Here to put it into perspective for you, imagine for a moment being on a stairway, you cant see whats on the floor above or below until you get there, not going up or down does not change the fact whats there has been there all along.





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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:12:18 AM   
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sure that does not mean however the answer lies 'outside', and can be obtained from 'the world'.


Oh... absolutely... it definitely can't be obtained from the world. Thanks for the clarification. I like the stairway illustration. : )

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:21:10 AM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:41:07 AM   
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To see outside, one must look inside.





Define 'See'.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 11:52:01 AM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 12:02:14 PM   
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sure that does not mean however the answer lies 'outside', and can be obtained from 'the world'.


Here to put it into perspective for you, imagine for a moment being on a stairway, you cant see whats on the floor above or below until you get there, not going up or down does not change the fact whats there has been there all along.

So your conviction that the holocaust didn't happen is a gnostic revelation, then?
Cute!

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 2:09:19 PM   
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You have no idea,what you are talking about.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 2:10:34 PM   
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One only need ask the question, but as I said, its from within not the world where the answer is to be found.

No, you're right, I think. The answer comes from within. I agree. But where does it come from within? From where comes the decision this is good or this is shit? I was repelled by it all, the catechism, the smells, the rituals, but I did not sit down and think it through until much, much later. The first decision was not a conscious calculation but a reaction. Either you have Faith or you don't. It is rather like a psychological predestination, innit?

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 2:13:00 PM   
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One only need ask the question, but as I said, its from within not the world where the answer is to be found.

No, you're right, I think. The answer comes from within. I agree. But where does it come from within? From where comes the decision this is good or this is shit? I was repelled by it all, the catechism, the smells, the rituals, but I did not sit down and think it through until much, much later. The first decision was not a conscious calculation but a reaction. Either you have Faith or you don't. It is rather like a psychological predestination, innit?


I'd say it is more of a maturation process of your true self.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 3:02:29 PM   
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To hear colors you must smell the universe.


You have no idea,what you are talking about.


You have no facility with the English language.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 5:08:52 PM   
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To hear colors you must smell the universe.


You have no idea,what you are talking about.


You have no facility with the English language.

The leaf that floats the river, was once the leaf that floats the breeze.


As i said, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 9:15:57 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 9:19:14 PM   
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Oh, I do, it is you who has no idea.


No...i know. You don't.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/19/2017 10:00:23 PM   
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within religious circles your claim is vehemently disputed, and therefore invalid.

The mere fact that some groups interpret religious texts literally does not invalidate the argument that to do so is a mistake. Similarly, if you interpret a scientific text allegorically, the result will be neither science nor scientific, no matter how many people it may please to insist otherwise.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/20/2017 2:50:44 AM   
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within religious circles your claim is vehemently disputed, and therefore invalid.

The mere fact that some groups interpret religious texts literally does not invalidate the argument that to do so is a mistake.
K.




There are some religious teachings that don't lend themselves to symbolic readings at all.

For example, the Christian Commandments "Thou shalt not steal" and/or "Thou shalt not kill" are obviously designed for literal, not symbolic interpretation. The Christian Commandments must qualify as "religious teachings" if that phrase is to have any coherent meaning.

While symbolic interpretations of religious teachings may be more pleasing to 21st century minds, it is far from the case that they are the only valid interpretations, or even the best interpretation in all instances.

Therefore, your claim that "all religious teachings are inherently symbolic" is invalid.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/20/2017 5:23:23 AM   
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Oh, I do, it is you who has no idea.


No...i know. You don't.

Unfortunately, as has been pointed out here, you just simply ain't got it in ya.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/20/2017 6:36:09 AM   
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There are some religious teachings that don't lend themselves to symbolic readings at all.

For example, the Christian Commandments . . . must qualify as "religious teachings" if that phrase is to have any coherent meaning.

Therefore, your claim that "all religious teachings are inherently symbolic" is invalid.

The commandments you cite are moral teachings. So no, no, and no again.

Religions commonly include moral teachings, but it is the reasons for them that are specifically religious, and religious teachings must of necessity be symbolic -- figurative, metaphorical -- because they are addressing a reality that virtually by definition cannot be encompassed by words. It has to be experienced to be known.

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