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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 3:10:27 PM

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allen B west and the banning of the 4th of july was another time you were taken, in fact you dont have much luck with buying legitimate stories.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 7:11:45 PM

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https://www2.usgs.gov/climate_landuse/glaciers/glaciers_sea_level.asp

Water levels have been rising ever since we've began observing them,

Not according to the site you posted.

it has been projected that ocean levels have risen ~400 feet in the past 21,000 years,

Your site does not say that either.

but since the 1900's ocean levels have only risen something like 6-8 inches...

There are plenty of ancient coastal cities which have been lost to the sea for hundreds of years because of rising ocean levels that all occurred well before we started burning coal for power.

There have been plenty of coastal cities that have experienced just the opposite as the cite I listed shows.
Is it possible that there is more than one phenomenia at work here?

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 7:14:08 PM

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Sea level and water level are not the same thing...but then I would not expect a lit major to know that.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 7:16:40 PM

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So the U.S. Geological Survey - the leading scientific body on natural and earth sciences -

Cite please

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 7:23:41 PM

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I was taken in by one author...

You chose to be taken in.

how many times have you been taken in by a limousine-riding, jet-flying, biggest house-I-can-buy "green activist"?

None, but I am still young and all of the white shoe snake oil salesmen are not dead...so anything is possible

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 7:34:32 PM

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Sea level and water level are not the same thing...but then I would not expect a lit major to know that.

Well thanks, that's very generous of you, and I'm only too happy to return your kindness: I wouldn't expect an illiterate to know that InfoMan was talking about sea levels.

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

https://www2.usgs.gov/climate_landuse/glaciers/glaciers_sea_level.asp

Water levels have been rising ever since we've began observing them, it has been projected that ocean levels have risen ~400 feet in the past 21,000 years, but since the 1900's ocean levels have only risen something like 6-8 inches...

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/7/2017 7:45:14 PM

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Sea level and water level are not the same thing...but then I would not expect a lit major to know that.

Well thanks, that's very generous of you, and I'm only too happy to return your kindness: I wouldn't expect an illiterate to know that InfoMan was talking about sea levels.

Miss-infoman seldom knows what he is talking about.
If he meant sea level he should say sea level and not water level.
Were you to read the link he posted you would notice that it does not say what he says it does.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 7:40:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

https://www2.usgs.gov/climate_landuse/glaciers/glaciers_sea_level.asp

Water levels have been rising ever since we've began observing them,

Not according to the site you posted.

We didn't start observing ocean levels in 21,000 BC... considering that at that time our ancestors where living in caves, it was kinda hard for us to 'start observing them' at that time. Observation of the Oceans for the United States began in 1880-ish through the Coastal Survey Group, which eventually became National Water Level Observation Network, and was later combined with several other smaller groups to form the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or NOAA.

And while there have been minor fluctuations in ocean levels on a month to year basis where you see small dips through out the time line, the over all trend that has been observed by NOAA is that the oceans have been consistently rising as time goes on:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

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https://www2.usgs.gov/climate_landuse/glaciers/glaciers_sea_level.asp

it has been projected that ocean levels have risen ~400 feet in the past 21,000 years,

Your site does not say that either.

again you prove your illiteracy.

4th text block:
About 21,000 years ago, during the last glacial maximum (LGM), sea level was about 125 meters (about 410 feet) lower than it is today.

it was lower by 400 feet then it is today...
which also means that between now and then - it has risen 400 feet.

I know logic is difficult for you, but at least try next time.

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but since the 1900's ocean levels have only risen something like 6-8 inches...

There are plenty of ancient coastal cities which have been lost to the sea for hundreds of years because of rising ocean levels that all occurred well before we started burning coal for power.

There have been plenty of coastal cities that have experienced just the opposite as the cite I listed shows.
Is it possible that there is more than one phenomenia at work here?

Emergent coasts are Plate Tectonics in which a subduction zone pushes another plate upward, causing uplift zones along the area. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with ocean levels and is a well known and observed geological event. What's more - there is no citation that you have presented which shows or even presents the idea of any coastal city, ancient or modern, that has risen above sea level. It talks specifically about emergent coasts and the development of the 'coastal cliff' feature.

try again.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 7:48:22 AM

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Miss-infoman seldom knows what he is talking about.
If he meant sea level he should say sea level and not water level.
Were you to read the link he posted you would notice that it does not say what he says it does.

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/nwlon.html

National Water Level Observation Network.
Accurate data about the ever-changing water levels of our nation’s lakes, estuaries, and oceans....

Yeah, the NOAA uses the word 'water level' to describe oceanic and sea levels of coastal regions.
And they're a little more experienced in it then you are...

You've proven you're incapable of reading any link honestly.
A link about the development of cliff face shore lines some how describes cities...
a link which specifically states the ocean was 400 feet lower then it is to day doesn't say that...

these are claims you've made.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 10:41:56 AM

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So that's NOT seawater flooding Miami's streets, and that's NOT melting ice and open water in the Arctic and Antarctica.

Good to know!

I wonder what it is then?

Leaking brain fluid perhaps.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 1:01:37 PM

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So that's NOT seawater flooding Miami's streets, and that's NOT melting ice and open water in the Arctic and Antarctica.

Before you go too far down the "melting ice" path, the East Coast has faced increasing saltwater intrusions for decades due to glacial isostatic adjustment, independent of any sea level rise, and estimates of the effect on global temperature of completely stopping CO2 emissions are reported in fractions of a degree and would not be realized for 1,000 years after cessation.

Even though the ice retreated long ago, North America is still rising where the massive layers of ice pushed it down. The U.S. East Coast and Great Lakes regions—once on the bulging edges, or forebulge, of those ancient ice layers—are still slowly sinking from forebulge collapse. Forbulge collapse is one of the larger causes of ground movement in the United States. Many places in the Eastern U.S. have been sinking for thousands of years and will continue to sink for thousands more. In fact, new estimates say land around the Chesapeake Bay will sink as much as half a foot over the next 100 years because of the forebulge collapse. ~NOAA

A new scientific study led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reaches a powerful conclusion about the climate change caused by future increases of carbon dioxide: to a large extent, there’s no going back. The pioneering study, led by NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon, shows how changes in surface temperature, rainfall, and sea level are largely irreversible for more than 1,000 years after carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are completely stopped. The findings appear during the week of January 26 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. ~NOAA

On the plus side, we can adjust to higher temperatures and shoreline changes, and the increase in CO2 has done a spectacular job of greening the Earth, which shouldn't be ignored, because we have a lot of mouths to feed.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 1:03:37 PM

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Yet again, whatever the reason it's happening, that it's happened would seem to indicate taking prudent steps (whatever you conceive those to be) rather than insisting it's not happening at all, which is the official position of the US government (but thankfully not the military, which likes to prepare for actual events, not beliefs).

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 1:26:04 PM

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Yet again, whatever the reason it's happening, that it's happened would seem to indicate taking prudent steps (whatever you conceive those to be) rather than insisting it's not happening at all, which is the official position of the US government (but thankfully not the military, which likes to prepare for actual events, not beliefs).

Oh, I don't disagree. I might disagree with some of the "prudent steps" proposed, but not with the ostrich principle.

K.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 3:04:29 PM

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Yet again, whatever the reason it's happening, that it's happened would seem to indicate taking prudent steps (whatever you conceive those to be) rather than insisting it's not happening at all, which is the official position of the US government (but thankfully not the military, which likes to prepare for actual events, not beliefs).

I am not insisting that it is not happening at all - i am stating that spending time, money, and effort in the fruitless task of trying to stop a naturally occurring event from naturally occurring is a waste. You may as well be attempting to glue together the San Andreas Fault Line.

I believe that thinking that Global Warming is Our Fault as humans and thus Our Responsibility to fix is no different then thousands of years ago sacrificing virgins, live stock and first borns to appease the gods, sky spirits, or ancestors. The language may of changed - but still it was always our fault for a lack of faith, respect, or morality which brought forth such calamity, and thus our duty to prevent it from happening in the future by any means necessary.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 9:02:48 PM

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Yet again, whatever the reason it's happening, that it's happened would seem to indicate taking prudent steps (whatever you conceive those to be) rather than insisting it's not happening at all, which is the official position of the US government (but thankfully not the military, which likes to prepare for actual events, not beliefs).

I am not insisting that it is not happening at all - i am stating that spending time, money, and effort in the fruitless task of trying to stop a naturally occurring event from naturally occurring is a waste. You may as well be attempting to glue together the San Andreas Fault Line.

I believe that thinking that Global Warming is Our Fault as humans and thus Our Responsibility to fix is no different then thousands of years ago sacrificing virgins, live stock and first borns to appease the gods, sky spirits, or ancestors. The language may of changed - but still it was always our fault for a lack of faith, respect, or morality which brought forth such calamity, and thus our duty to prevent it from happening in the future by any means necessary.

Ridiculous.

Your own links blatantly stated that anthropogenic emission levels will determine how much the sea level rise will be. You trust them with their data and yet mistrust their conclusions?

Why do you know so much more about this than NASA, NOAA, etc?

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 9:30:58 PM

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Yet again, whatever the reason it's happening, that it's happened would seem to indicate taking prudent steps (whatever you conceive those to be) rather than insisting it's not happening at all, which is the official position of the US government (but thankfully not the military, which likes to prepare for actual events, not beliefs).

I am not insisting that it is not happening at all - i am stating that spending time, money, and effort in the fruitless task of trying to stop a naturally occurring event from naturally occurring is a waste. You may as well be attempting to glue together the San Andreas Fault Line.

I believe that thinking that Global Warming is Our Fault as humans and thus Our Responsibility to fix is no different then thousands of years ago sacrificing virgins, live stock and first borns to appease the gods, sky spirits, or ancestors. The language may of changed - but still it was always our fault for a lack of faith, respect, or morality which brought forth such calamity, and thus our duty to prevent it from happening in the future by any means necessary.

Ridiculous.

Your own links blatantly stated that anthropogenic emission levels will determine how much the sea level rise will be. You trust them with their data and yet mistrust their conclusions?

Why do you know so much more about this than NASA?

He has only posted one link in this thread related to sea level rise (here), and it says nothing of the kind, blatantly or otherwise. Moreover, sea level rise has remained constant for the past century. There is no CO2 signal in the data.

K.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 10:25:51 PM

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I know I'm going to regret unblocking you, but he posted this link in #48:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

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As global temperatures continue to warm, sea level will continue to rise. How much it will rise depends mostly on the rate of future carbon dioxide emissions and future global warming. How fast it will rise depends mostly on the rate of glacier and ice sheet melting.

And human activity is responsible for 70% of sea level rise since 1970:

https://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/most-sea-level-rise-1970-due-greenhouse-gas-emissions

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 10:33:44 PM

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On the plus side, we can adjust to higher temperatures and shoreline changes, and the increase in CO2 has done a spectacular job of greening the Earth, which shouldn't be ignored, because we have a lot of mouths to feed.

Ha... it doesn't surprise me you're one of those 'CO2 is plant food' people.

Well, since pizza is human food I guess you should just keep eating more and more of it until you die. At the same time, I will increase the temperature in your room until it's so hot you collapse before you can eat even more pizza.

Then the world will be a better place.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 11:14:49 PM

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I know I'm going to regret unblocking you, but he posted this link in #48:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

You're right, I missed that one. Mea culpa.

But the fact remains that attributing the rise to CO2 lacks evidence. From Church and White:

The period of relatively rapid sea-level rise commencing in the 1930s ceases abruptly in about 1962 after which there is a fall in sea level of over 10 mm over 5 years.

In other words, no CO2 signal.

K.

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RE: "Inconvenient Sequel" hits theatres July ... - 4/8/2017 11:23:55 PM

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Ha... it doesn't surprise me you're one of those 'CO2 is plant food' people.

Well, since pizza is human food I guess you should just keep eating more and more of it until you die. At the same time, I will increase the temperature in your room until it's so hot you collapse before you can eat even more pizza.

Then the world will be a better place.

You're a charmer, that's for sure.

K.

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