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Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/28/2006 6:29:33 AM   
Daddysmira


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My Master is well aware that I am indeed a switch.  I am always slave to him but he is allowing me to Domme my own male sub.  He will be training me on how to proceed in scenes as a Domme with my male sub and my male sub is part of my Master's property since I am collared to Him.  Our first session with my new sub will be at a local club and my Master has requested that my male sub sleep at the foot of our bed on the floor when he stays overnight.  Does anyone have any suggestions of how to keep the balance within these two very different relationships up?  I realize my Master is my first priority and that I will be Domme while running scenes with my sub.  How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?
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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/28/2006 6:35:09 AM   
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You have a wise master.  This one act will defuse a LOT of possible tensions and misunderstandings.

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Master has requested that my male sub sleep at the foot of our bed on the floor when he stays overnight.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/28/2006 6:24:17 PM   
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The question of keeping balance between the sub and dom part of your nature is on I have been wrestling with.  I have an enormous urge to domme and degrade women but I am a sub to a dom who does this.   I don't want to get too much into the sub part of myself and weaken the domme after I start going into that.  It's a problem that I have been thinking about for some time.  

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/28/2006 11:40:30 PM   
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quote:

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I realize my Master is my first priority and that I will be Domme while running scenes with my sub.  How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?



I have thought of this also. I have tryed to come to a relatioship with more than one slave. And still I feel the need to submit. A friend of mine said a Dom is as strong as his strongest sub, But on the other hand,  a pyramid is the way I have been told works. Think of it as letting go. Let the Dom actaully run the show. That is what I have been working on. I have even thought it is tougher to be a slave that a Mistress. Getting to much prespective from anyone can not be a bad thing..*s*

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/29/2006 7:12:46 AM   
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Im also in this situation , My dom and partner sees it as important that he doesnt undermine me when im with one of my submissives but i also try to intergreat him into the sessions and we Dom together. I also know someone who subs infrount of her subs which is ok for some of them but one i spoke to thinks that it spoils their relationship as he cant get the mentality of it .

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/29/2006 4:28:17 PM   
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The only issue I see happening and can be cleared up by discussing before hand is...what happens when you are in Domme mode with your submissive and your owner decides He wants you to serve Him?? I know for me.. that wouldnt work and someone might get hurt..LOL..

This is why I never (repeat never) switched within a single relationship.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/29/2006 10:08:22 PM   
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I would think that you would not have to show a submissive side when the male sub is around. Everyone knows thier places in the pecking order. The only time it may even come up would be if your Master was wanting to "flex his muscles" so to speak, So I wouldn't worry about it much. If your Master decides it's time, cross the bridge then. 

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/30/2006 4:43:58 AM   
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I will wait to tune  into this thread later, as this really is a situation I think I could maybe find myself in someday. I've not been in it, or even let my Domme side be active in any way yet, so have no advice  or experience to offer here, but am very glad someone started the thread.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 7/30/2006 1:34:04 PM   
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quote:

Does anyone have any suggestions of how to keep the balance within these two very different relationships up?  I realize my Master is my first priority and that I will be Domme while running scenes with my sub.  How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?


These are issues that need to be addressed between yourself and your Master.  As I will eventually find myself in the same situation you're in now, the Kaptin and I have discussed the running of His household at great length.
 
One thing that is important is that your sub understand that you are his owner, and your submission to another does not have any effect on that ownership.  You will also need to have a clear understanding with your Master that he will not undermine your authority with your submissive.  You both need to be absolutely certain you're on the same page regarding your household AND your new submissive.  Avoid situations where you say one thing, and your Master says another, because it can and will confuse your submissive and lead to a lack of respect on his part due to lack of consistency on your part.  And finally, work out a system wherein when you are actively working with your submissive, your Master will not interrupt that activity.  It's perfectly all right if, while your submissive is washing your car for you, that your Master ask you to fix him a snack.  It's not going to work well for any of you, however, if Master interrupts a disciplinary session with that same request.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/20/2006 6:16:11 AM   
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As a Slave, remember that your subs are really his subs. You have no subs.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/20/2006 6:22:07 AM   
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quote:

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How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?


You sub will totally understand. 

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/20/2006 6:32:13 AM   
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It is convenient to remember that east is east, and west is west and never the twain shall meet.  Consider that there is no confusion in who the Vice-president is in relation to the President. Yet they govern many people. And one lays aside all opinion and self for the other.


In fact as a really good training tool, you are a mirror.  As you serve Master, so should you be served.  In this case, you will see how good you are at you, as well.   yadda yadda yadda.... the sincerest form of flattery and all.... yadda yadda yadda....

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/20/2006 7:43:28 AM   
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I was trained my two strong Dominants to whom I was submissive too... I find that when the submissive side was fed well the Domme was stronger but I never had an issue with handling one on one side and turning to the other and answering yes Sir.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/20/2006 10:57:21 AM   
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As a Slave, remember that your subs are really his subs. You have no subs.

That isn't up for you to say - it is her Masters decision.
If he says his slave has a submissive, that is what occurs.
 
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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/20/2006 8:11:12 PM   
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<QUOTE>That isn't up for you to say - it is her Masters decision.
If he says his slave has a submissive, that is what occurs.</QUOTE>


Indeed.  There are as many ways to handle this situation as there are people in the world.


<QUOTE>LTRsubNW> You sub will totally understand. </QUOTE>

This statement as well is too blanketed.  The whole situations needs to be discussed and it must be ensured that all involved are aware of and understand each others roles.  Things may even change as the relationship develops.

My wife and I are switches as well.  I do tend to be on the Dom side more and her on the sub side.  As a sub she is my Head Trainer.  In this position she can simultaniously act as Domme and sub.  I really like the President/Vice-President comparison.  Very apt.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/25/2006 10:58:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daddysmira

My Master is well aware that I am indeed a switch.  I am always slave to him but he is allowing me to Domme my own male sub.  He will be training me on how to proceed in scenes as a Domme with my male sub and my male sub is part of my Master's property since I am collared to Him.  Our first session with my new sub will be at a local club and my Master has requested that my male sub sleep at the foot of our bed on the floor when he stays overnight.  Does anyone have any suggestions of how to keep the balance within these two very different relationships up?  I realize my Master is my first priority and that I will be Domme while running scenes with my sub.  How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?


What you are doing is called a hierarchy. This is much like the chain of command in the military. Your boy is an enlisted man. You are the Sargent and your Master is the General. In the old manor houses, junior staff would not be allowed to talk with the owners of the house. Only senior staff (Butler, Housekeeper, Ladies Maid, etc...) could speak to the family. The maids, footmen, hallboy, etc.. did their chores and served the senior staff as well. By serving the Butler or Housekeeper the footmen and maids learned the skills needed to one day be Butlers and Housekeepers themselves. Likewise the junior staff was addressed by their first names ie Bob, Nancy etc... The Butler and Housekeeper where addresses as Mr or Mrs/Miss etc.. to denote their senior position.

PBS (pbs.org/manorhouse) did a series entitled Manor House which you might wish to look over. It was a study in the hierarchy of the Edwardian era and might give you some insights.

Hope this helps.

< Message edited by MistressMelissa -- 8/25/2006 11:00:07 AM >


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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/25/2006 1:27:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daddysmira

My Master is well aware that I am indeed a switch.  I am always slave to him but he is allowing me to Domme my own male sub.  He will be training me on how to proceed in scenes as a Domme with my male sub and my male sub is part of my Master's property since I am collared to Him.  Our first session with my new sub will be at a local club and my Master has requested that my male sub sleep at the foot of our bed on the floor when he stays overnight.  Does anyone have any suggestions of how to keep the balance within these two very different relationships up?  I realize my Master is my first priority and that I will be Domme while running scenes with my sub.  How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?


Put yourself in your sub'splace (mentally)  How would you feel and what would YOU expect then take it from there?

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/26/2006 2:46:16 AM   
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what i think would be cool is a huge circle of people all flogging the one in front flogging to infinity (eternity)

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/26/2006 2:00:47 PM   
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Maybe the three of you can negotiate the scene together. You've been given the honor of taking property, even though your Master gets the final say. So you could take direction from him, or he could merely sit in on the session to ensure that, should any problems arise, you have a more experienced Dom there. And, actually, your situation's not all that uncommon. There's always someone more dom than you out there, so your sub will only see two dominant people.

That being said, if you can find it, watch The Submission of Eros. It's this very same situation (except with all women), but it might give you some insight into how to carry the scene.

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RE: Collared slave that owns a sub. - 8/27/2006 7:06:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daddysmira
My Master is well aware that I am indeed a switch.  I am always slave to him but he is allowing me to Domme my own male sub.  He will be training me on how to proceed in scenes as a Domme with my male sub and my male sub is part of my Master's property since I am collared to Him.  Our first session with my new sub will be at a local club and my Master has requested that my male sub sleep at the foot of our bed on the floor when he stays overnight.  Does anyone have any suggestions of how to keep the balance within these two very different relationships up?  I realize my Master is my first priority and that I will be Domme while running scenes with my sub.  How do I keep up my Domme strength to my sub while showing my own sub side to my Master and not overstepping my boundaries?


Discussion, communication, negotiation, compromise, trial and error, and feedback.
Be open and honest.
 
Everyone is different.   Inform your Dom how you would like him to treat you while
you are dommeing your sub,   If he objects, then try to find some compromise.  There
is no right or wrong, there is only what people agree to.   What works for others might
not work for you, and what works for you might not work for others.

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