UllrsIshtar
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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub I have to disagree with you on this one. The threats and violence that people are exposed to in these situations would make most, if not all, believe that there was no escape. Those are the same types of threats and violence domestic abuse victims tend to be exposed to, resulting in an equal situation of them feeling there is no escape. However, feeling there is no escape isn't the same as having no escape. The fact is that, throughout history, slaves have stayed with their owners for a variety of reasons, in a variety of circumstances, where they could have realistically walked away. Yet the fact that they realistically could walk away didn't make the threat of force they were living under on a daily basis any less. quote:
ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub I think it is crossing a line to even compare this horrible thing to any type of consensual slavery. Debating is a great thing, but not at the cost of diminishing the suffering by those who are taken and held and forced to do what, to them, would have been unthinkable before they were forced into it. If the origin of the term is too offensive to be discussed, and the comparison between what the origin of the term is, and what we make of it in our modern sheltered world, is too offensive to be discussed, then it's offensive to the victims of nonconsensual slavery to use the term 'slave' in a BDSM context. Period. Either we can discuss why we chose to call what we do slavery, and where that terminology came from, and what the context of it's historical meaning is, and how that compares to what we're currently practicing, or comparing what we do is offensive to the victims, in which case calling what we do by the same label is offensive. If it diminishes the suffering of actual slaves to discuss why BDSMers have chosen slavery as a label for their relationships, then it diminishes the suffering of actual slaves to call BDSM relationships slavery.
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