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Musicmystery -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 10:37:19 AM)

Banned Books That Shaped America

The Library of Congress created an exhibit, "Books that Shaped America," that explores books that "have had a profound effect on American life." Below is a list of books from that exhibit that have been banned/challenged.

(To learn more about challenges to books since the inception of Banned Books Week, check out the timeline created by ALA.)



The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain, 1884

The first ban of Mark Twain’s American classic in Concord, MA in 1885 called it “trash and suitable only for the slums.” Objections to the book have evolved, but only marginally. Twain’s book is one of the most-challenged of all time and is frequently challenged even today because of its frequent use of the word “nigger.” Otherwise it is alleged the book is “racially insensitive,” “oppressive,” and “perpetuates racism.”



The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcolm X and Alex Haley, 1965 (Grove Press)

Objectors have called this seminal work a “how-to-manual” for crime and decried because of “anti-white statements” present in the book. The book presents the life story of Malcolm Little, also known as Malcolm X, who was a human rights activist and who has been called one of the most influential Americans in recent history.



Beloved, Toni Morrison, 1987

Again and again, this Pulitzer-prize winning novel by perhaps the most influential African-American writer of all time is assigned to high school English students. And again and again, parental complaints are lodged against the book because of its violence, sexual content and discussion of bestiality.



Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Dee Brown, 1970

Subtitled “An Indian History of the American West,” this book tells the history of United States growth and expansion into the West from the point of view of Native Americans. This book was banned by a school district official in Wisconsin in 1974 because the book might be polemical and they wanted to avoid controversy at all costs. “If there’s a possibility that something might be controversial, then why not eliminate it,” the official stated.



The Call of the Wild, Jack London, 1903

Generally hailed as Jack London’s best work, The Call of the Wild is commonly challenged for its dark tone and bloody violence. Because it is seen as a man-and-his-dog story, it is sometimes read by adolescents and subsequently challenged for age-inappropriateness. Not only have objections been raised here, the book was banned in Italy, Yugoslavia and burned in bonfires in Nazi Germany in the late 1920s and early 30s because it was considered “too radical.”



Catch-22, Joseph Heller, 1961

A school board in Strongsville, OH refused to allow the book to be taught in high school English classrooms in 1972. It also refused to consider Cat’s Cradle as a substitute text and removed both books from the school library. The issue eventually led to a 1976 District Court ruling overturning the ban in Minarcini v. Strongsville.



The Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger, 1951

Young Holden, favorite child of the censor. Frequently removed from classrooms and school libraries because it is “unacceptable,” “obscene,” “blasphemous,” “negative,” “foul,” “filthy,” and “undermines morality.” And to think Holden always thought “people never notice anything.”



Fahrenheit 451, Ray Bradbury, 1953

Rather than ban the book about book-banning outright, Venado Middle school in Irvine, CA utilized an expurgated version of the text in which all the “hells” and “damns” were blacked out. Other complaints have said the book went against objectors religious beliefs. The book’s author, Ray Bradbury, died this year.



For Whom the Bell Tolls, Ernest Hemingway, 1940

Shortly after its publication the U.S. Post Office, which purpose was in part to monitor and censor distribution of media and texts, declared the book nonmailable. In the 1970s, eight Turkish booksellers were tried for “spreading propaganda unfavorable to the state” because they had published and distributed the text. This wasn’t Hemingway’s only banned book – A Farewell to Arms and Across the River and Into the Trees were also censored domestically and abroad in Ireland, South Africa, Germany and Italy.



Gone With the Wind, Margaret Mitchell, 1936

The Pulitzer-prize winning novel (which three years after its publication became an Academy-Award Winning film) follows the life of the spoiled daughter of a southern plantation owner just before and then after the fall of the Confederacy and decline of the South in the aftermath of the Civil War. Critically praised for its thought-provoking and realistic depiction of ante- and postbellum life in the South, it has also been banned for more or less the same reasons. Its realism has come under fire, specifically its realistic portrayal – though at times perhaps tending toward optimistic -- of slavery and use of the words “nigger” and “darkies.”



The Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck, 1939

Kern County, California has the great honor both of being the setting of Steinbeck’s novel and being the first place where it was banned (1939). Objections to profanity—especially goddamn and the like—and sexual references continued from then into the 1990s. It is a work with international banning appeal: the book was barred in Ireland in the 50s and a group of booksellers in Turkey were taken to court for “spreading propaganda” in 1973.



The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald, 1925

Perhaps the first great American novel that comes to the mind of the average person, this book chronicles the booze-infused and decadent lives of East Hampton socialites. It was challenged at the Baptist College in South Carolina because of the book’s language and mere references to sex.



Howl, Allen Ginsberg, 1956

Following in the footsteps of other “Shaping America” book Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg’s boundary-pushing poetic works were challenged because of descriptions of homosexual acts.



In Cold Blood, Truman Capote, 1966

The subject of controversy in an AP English class in Savannah, GA after a parent complained about sex, violence and profanity. Banned but brought back.



Invisible Man, Ralph Ellison, 1952

Ellison’s book won the 1953 National Book Award for Fiction because it expertly dealt with issues of black nationalism, Marxism and identity in the twentieth century. Considered to be too expert in its ruminations for some high schools, the book was banned from high school reading lists and schools in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Washington state.



The Jungle, Upton Sinclair, 1906

For decades, American students have studied muckraking and yellow journalism in social studies lessons about the industrial revolution, with The Jungle headlining the unit. And yet, the dangerous and purportedly socialist views expressed in the book and Sinclair’s Oil led to its being banned in Yugoslavia, East Germany, South Korea and Boston.



Leaves of Grass, Walt Whitman, 1855

If they don’t understand you, sometimes they ban you. This was the case when the great American poem Leaves of Grass was first published and the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice found the sensuality of the text disturbing. Caving to pressure, booksellers in New York, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania conceded to advising their patrons not to buy the “filthy” book.



Moby-Dick; or The Whale, Herman Melville,1851

In a real head-scratcher of a case, a Texas school district banned the book from its Advanced English class lists because it “conflicted with their community values” in 1996. Community values are frequently cited in discussions over challenged books by those who wish to censor them.



Native Son, Richard Wright, 1940

Richard Wright’s landmark work of literary naturalism follows the life of young Bigger Thomas, a poor Black man living on the South Side of Chicago. Bigger is faced with numerous awkward and frustrating situations when he begins working for a rich white family as their chauffer. After he unintentionally kills a member of the family, he flees but is eventually caught, tried and sentenced to death. The book has been challenged or removed in at least eight different states because of objections to “violent and sexually graphic” content.



Our Bodies, Ourselves, Boston Women’s Health Book Collective, 1971

Challenges of this book about the female anatomy and sexuality ran from the book’s publication into the mid-1980s. One Public Library lodged it “promotes homosexuality and perversion.” Not surprising in a country where some legislators want to keep others from saying the word “vagina.”



The Red Badge of Courage, Stephen Crane, 1895

Restricting access and refusing to allow teachers to teach books is still a form of censorship in many cases. Crane’s book was among many on a list compiled by the Bay District School board in 1986 after parents began lodging informal complaints about books in an English classroom library.



The Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne, 1850

According to many critics, Hawthorne should have been less friendly toward his main character, Hester Prynne (in fairness, so should have minister Arthur Dimmesdale). One isn’t surprised by the moralist outrage the book caused in 1852. But when, one hundred and forty years later, the book is still being banned because it is sinful and conflicts with community values, you have to raise your eyebrows. Parents in one school district called the book “pornographic and obscene” in 1977. Clearly this was before the days of the World Wide Web.



Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Alfred C. Kinsey, 1948

How dare Alfred Kinsey ask men and women questions about their sex lives! The groundbreaking study, truly the first of its scope and kind, was banned from publication abroad and highly criticized at home.



Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert A. Heinlein, 1961

The book was actually retained after a 2003 challenge in Mercedes, TX to the book’s adult themes. However, parents were subsequently given more control over what their child was assigned to read in class, a common school board response to a challenge.



A Streetcar Named Desire, Tennessee Williams, 1947

The sexual content of this play, which later became a popular and critically acclaimed film, raised eyebrows and led to self-censorship when the film was being made. The director left a number of scenes on the cutting room floor to get an adequate rating and protect against complaints of the play’s immorality.



Their Eyes Were Watching God, Zora Neale Hurston, 1937

Parents of students in Advanced English classes in a Virginia high school objected to language and sexual content in this book, which made TIME magazine’s list of top 100 Best English-Language Novels from 1923 to 2005.



To Kill a Mockingbird, Harper Lee, 1960

Harper Lee’s great American tome stands as proof positive that the censorious impulse is alive and well in our country, even today. For some educators, the Pulitzer-prize winning book is one of the greatest texts teens can study in an American literature class. Others have called it a degrading, profane and racist work that “promotes white supremacy.”



Uncle Tom's Cabin, Harriet Beecher Stowe, 1852

Like Huck Finn, Of Mice and Men and Gone With the Wind, the contextual, historically and culturally accurate depiction of the treatment of Black slaves in the United States has rankled would-be censors.



Where the Wild Things Are, Maurice Sendak, 1963

Sendak’s work is beloved by children in the generations since its publication and has captured the collective imagination. Many parents and librarians, however, did much hand-wringing over the dark and disturbing nature of the story. They also wrung their hands over the baby’s penis drawn in In the Night Kitchen.



The Words of Cesar Chavez, Cesar Chavez, 2002

The works of Chavez were among the many books banned in the dissolution of the Mexican-American Studies Program in Tucson, Arizona. The Tucson Unified School District disbanded the program so as to accord with a piece of legislation which outlawed Ethnic Studies classes in the state. To read more about this egregious case of censorship, click here.



http://www.bannedbooksweek.org/censorship/bannedbooksthatshapedamerica




WhoreMods -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 10:39:39 AM)

A useful list, but a breakdown of who's banned what and why they banned it would be more useful.
No Roald Dahl? I thought he had a good record for library bannings..
(Read about a dozen of those, and never even heard of twice that many again.)

ETA: thanks, I've read a lot more of that second list.




Musicmystery -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 11:00:41 AM)

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MercTech -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 11:14:00 AM)

The banned books bit should really be a different topic.
But, to me, the list includes a lot of works totally appropriate for a College course or adult reading but inappropriate for 14-15 year old high school students. Why set up the kids for failure by assigning a literature assignment that uses words they can be expelled for uttering in class?




WhoreMods -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 11:18:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The banned books bit should really be a different topic.
But, to me, the list includes a lot of works totally appropriate for a College course or adult reading but inappropriate for 14-15 year old high school students. Why set up the kids for failure by assigning a literature assignment that uses words they can be expelled for uttering in class?

Do you honestly think that The Catcher In The Rye or Huck Finn would be too advanced for a fifteen year old?
They start them on Shakespeare for high school lit classes, FFS!




Lucylastic -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 11:19:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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it was only for the quarter, and obama reached that point several times.
Dont believe everything you think.

Oh Lucy, aren't you the cut and paste rather than think poster. You should have links to this.

You made the claim, shouldnt you have sourced your link???
aaaah whatever.
A) Emperoro Tang hasnt been in charge for a year, so it was a quarterly % figure
Octobers figures arent out for at least three weeks

How many links would you like?

how about
Donald Trump Says U.S. Never Hit 3% GDP Growth Under Obama — But It’s Misleading
Lucinda Shen
Aug 30, 2017
Technically, the President of the United States was correct.
He was correct that America's gross domestic production growth never hit 3%, annually under President Barack Obama when speaking about his long-awaited tax reform before a crowd in Springfield, Mo. Wednesday. That comes after the U.S. Commerce Department said GDP growth had hit Trump's 3% target in the second quarter.
"We just announced that we hit 3% in GDP, it just came out," the president said."On a yearly basis, as you know, the last administration, during an eight year period, never hit 3%. So we're really on our way. If we achieve sustained 3% growth, that means 12 million new jobs and $10 trillion of new economic activity over the next decade. That's some numbers."
But the comparison that he made is somewhat misleading. President Trump compared annual GDP growth in the Obama era to quarterly GDP growth in a three month period. And quarterly GDP often isn't a good indicator for how much an economy will produce over the year, with quarterly GDP growth often differing significantly from the year's overall GDP growth.
Take the Obama era for example. Between 2009 and 2016, GDP growth reached at or above 3% on a quarterly basis about eight times.

http://fortune.com/2017/08/30/donald-trump-springfield-mo-3-gdp/




Wayward5oul -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 2:13:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The banned books bit should really be a different topic.
But, to me, the list includes a lot of works totally appropriate for a College course or adult reading but inappropriate for 14-15 year old high school students. Why set up the kids for failure by assigning a literature assignment that uses words they can be expelled for uttering in class?

But college level classes are often offered at high schools, either through AP classes or dual enrollment courses. I don't know of a single high school that doesn't offer AP English.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 2:20:08 PM)

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But, to me, the list includes a lot of works totally appropriate for a College course or adult reading but inappropriate for 14-15 year old high school students.

Oh for fuck's sakes, really? Any book is a children's book if the kid can read.


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Why set up the kids for failure by assigning a literature assignment that uses words they can be expelled for uttering in class?

You do realize that those kids use those words all the time, right?

smh at the profound stupidity




Wayward5oul -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 2:27:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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Bounty, this is no different than what you do on here on a daily basis, with the way you disparage leftists and liberals and attribute all sorts of negativity to them. The words smug and pompous can be applied to the majority of your posts as well. Pot, kettle. You just choose not to acknowledge it because of your own biases. But it makes you no different than the people that you complain about.



Except he supplies quotes from the liberals to demonstrate his points. You, on the other hand, ignore all of the liberal trash, quotes and all, and try to sound as if the only trash is those pointing out the trash. It's just what you do.

Show me one post where I have griped about rightwingers, or conservatives, or any derogatory term or acronym to disparage entire groups of people simply because they lean either to the left or the right of any spectrum. You can't.

When I comment on people, it is because of what they say or do based on their individual actions, not because of what they believe.

You're changing the arguement. What you do is ignore the multitude of idiotic childish statements tossed out by the lefty loons and decry how all of the right wing people are meanies with no thought. It's what you do. So, rather than your silly arguement, you show me a post where you talked to HB, MM, Lucy, stef or WM like you do bounty and bosco.

Show me where I have said that all the right wing people are meanies with no thought, or even anything similar.


Again a deflection and completely off point and nor even what I said. Since you try, ever so hard, to sound smart and even handed, I would have thought that reading comprehension would be your friend. Alas.

You made claims about me saying things on here. But when I asked you to show where that was true, I'm deflecting and not on point. Gotcha.

Mumsey would not be proud.

Lol, oh and my passive aggressive little friend, I'm not that one with severe mommy issues. That's HB. I'm really laughing at this shot. You really don't have a clue and you think you're so clever. Lol, I admit, the first couple of times you pulled your deflection crap I feel for it because you present it so reasonably. But, then, I noticed all you do is the deflection crap. God, you must be horrible to live with. What a waste of oxygen.

If I recall correctly, you are the one that's always bringing up Mumsey, so I would say you are the one with issues. If I'm wrong about you being the one bringing it up, so be it.

As for the rest, whatever helps you sleep at night. I stand by anything that I've said. You have made claims about me that you can't back up, and when asked to do so you claim I am defecting.

And since you have nothing else, you are resorting to personal attacks, Predictable. Carry on as you will, makes no difference to me. Just don't expect me to take part any further,




Hillwilliam -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 2:59:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Based on his posting history, they figured bosco would appreciate no one posting on topic.


The posting history in your insane imagination...

Your obsession with me is hilarious, clown [:D]

I have no obsession with you.
I only enjoy pointing out ignorant fuckwits who are incapable of independent thought or posting on topic. If you end up downwind of that frequently, it should tell you something.[sm=lol.gif]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 3:02:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The banned books bit should really be a different topic.
But, to me, the list includes a lot of works totally appropriate for a College course or adult reading but inappropriate for 14-15 year old high school students. Why set up the kids for failure by assigning a literature assignment that uses words they can be expelled for uttering in class?

I was reading at a college level in the 6th grade. Should I and others like me be held back because we're surrounded by fucking morons?

Welcome to the idiocracy.[8|]




Musicmystery -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 3:22:43 PM)

And, why condemn college students to failure by sending them to college illiterate?




BoscoX -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 8:01:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Based on his posting history, they figured bosco would appreciate no one posting on topic.


The posting history in your insane imagination...

Your obsession with me is hilarious, clown [:D]

I have no obsession with you.
I only enjoy pointing out ignorant fuckwits who are incapable of independent thought or posting on topic. If you end up downwind of that frequently, it should tell you something.[sm=lol.gif]


Keep telling yourself that, loser

Repeat it until you believe it [:D]




Nnanji -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 8:26:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Bounty, this is no different than what you do on here on a daily basis, with the way you disparage leftists and liberals and attribute all sorts of negativity to them. The words smug and pompous can be applied to the majority of your posts as well. Pot, kettle. You just choose not to acknowledge it because of your own biases. But it makes you no different than the people that you complain about.



Except he supplies quotes from the liberals to demonstrate his points. You, on the other hand, ignore all of the liberal trash, quotes and all, and try to sound as if the only trash is those pointing out the trash. It's just what you do.

Show me one post where I have griped about rightwingers, or conservatives, or any derogatory term or acronym to disparage entire groups of people simply because they lean either to the left or the right of any spectrum. You can't.

When I comment on people, it is because of what they say or do based on their individual actions, not because of what they believe.

You're changing the arguement. What you do is ignore the multitude of idiotic childish statements tossed out by the lefty loons and decry how all of the right wing people are meanies with no thought. It's what you do. So, rather than your silly arguement, you show me a post where you talked to HB, MM, Lucy, stef or WM like you do bounty and bosco.

Show me where I have said that all the right wing people are meanies with no thought, or even anything similar.


Again a deflection and completely off point and nor even what I said. Since you try, ever so hard, to sound smart and even handed, I would have thought that reading comprehension would be your friend. Alas.

You made claims about me saying things on here. But when I asked you to show where that was true, I'm deflecting and not on point. Gotcha.

Mumsey would not be proud.

Lol, oh and my passive aggressive little friend, I'm not that one with severe mommy issues. That's HB. I'm really laughing at this shot. You really don't have a clue and you think you're so clever. Lol, I admit, the first couple of times you pulled your deflection crap I feel for it because you present it so reasonably. But, then, I noticed all you do is the deflection crap. God, you must be horrible to live with. What a waste of oxygen.

If I recall correctly, you are the one that's always bringing up Mumsey, so I would say you are the one with issues. If I'm wrong about you being the one bringing it up, so be it.

As for the rest, whatever helps you sleep at night. I stand by anything that I've said. You have made claims about me that you can't back up, and when asked to do so you claim I am defecting.

And since you have nothing else, you are resorting to personal attacks, Predictable. Carry on as you will, makes no difference to me. Just don't expect me to take part any further,

God you are just going to keep trying to deflect with passive aggressive tenacity aren't you? You can't stand seeing yourself pointed out publicly can you? Okay grandpa Walton. You may have the last word. You haven't addressed anything I've said, you've deflected everything with a blind determination, but, because you are really starting to wear thin on this thread, you may have the last word. Go for it. You and Lucy are just insane with this sort of thing.




Lucylastic -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 9:44:34 PM)

Then stop bullshittng with your accusations, and it stops.
Its very easy,its called having facts at your fingers, you dont have it.

If you want to be an obnoxious liar,
Then you get treated like one.
Its only you , can change you




Nnanji -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 9:57:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Then stop bullshittng with your accusations, and it stops.
Its very easy,its called having facts at your fingers, you dont have it.

If you want to be an obnoxious liar,
Then you get treated like one.
Its only you , can change you

LMAO. How did I know the other passive aggressive would show up. Lololololololol, as you say.




Lucylastic -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/2/2017 10:05:50 PM)

Im in bed, whats your problem, you say fucked up shit, you will get called on it .
That is some fucked up shit, again,
Dont use me or WS to excuse your puny impotence at telling the truth.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/3/2017 4:07:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Based on his posting history, they figured bosco would appreciate no one posting on topic.


The posting history in your insane imagination...

Your obsession with me is hilarious, clown [:D]

I have no obsession with you.
I only enjoy pointing out ignorant fuckwits who are incapable of independent thought or posting on topic. If you end up downwind of that frequently, it should tell you something.[sm=lol.gif]


Keep telling yourself that, loser

Repeat it until you believe it [:D]

I keep proving it over and over. You make it easy.
When is the last time you actually posted something on topic?




BoscoX -> RE: Howler Leftist Librarian Troll Gets Her Comeuppance (10/3/2017 5:18:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I keep proving it over and over. You make it easy.
When is the last time you actually posted something on topic?


Not counting in reply to you and your your mindless little troll friends howling about me personally? My last post, moron.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5078327

You, on the other hand, are another story

Just a troll, all you will ever be




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