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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 1:39:27 PM

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It really isn't even so inconceivable that he got really drunk and it just seemed like a good idea at the time.

Actually, I find that quite plausible. Perhaps: Booze, plus some gripe that had put him in a bad mood that night particularly ... on top of many years of growing misanthropic anger.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 1:46:16 PM

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on top of the point she made that she doesn't listen to country music.

greta---for the most part, accents are accents and you cannot necessarily differentiate skin color based on them.

there are however other indicators by which that can be done, just not accent alone.

and country music as a genre is incredibly eclectic and in many cases, at least to the average music listener, fairly indistinguishable from pop and rock.

last point---there ARE black country singers.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 1:51:42 PM

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Greta it makes no difference his motivation... he is mentally ill.... and we must institute stronger screening for gun owners to at least try to weed out people like this.

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We don't know if he is mentally ill yet.

Oh yes we do.... unless you think killing 58 strangers is normal... there is no sane justification for this.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 1:52:02 PM

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Maybe, it also seems he was a known gambler, maybe he lost some money? but he had ten guns, this isnt a temper tantrum, spur of the moment..rage, crazy bastard

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 1:57:33 PM

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He did it because in the US, anyone at any moment could get drunk, depressed, have a bad dream, or just suddenly snap, take out their legally purchased automatic or semi-automatic weapons of war and kill a bunch of people.

I know the answer wasn't only meant to be taken literally (aka cheeky) but it just strikes me that, in this case, this has got to be some serious planning. We're talking about an individual who made hotel reservations in advance for a good shooting location, checked in the Thursday before, the girlfriend just happens to be on vacation the same weekend of the event, and so on.

There's nothing about this that says it was a spur of the moment thing.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:05:38 PM

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He did it because in the US, anyone at any moment could get drunk, depressed, have a bad dream, or just suddenly snap, take out their legally purchased automatic or semi-automatic weapons of war and kill a bunch of people.

I know the answer wasn't only meant to be taken literally (aka cheeky) but it just strikes me that, in this case, this has got to be some serious planning. We're talking about an individual who made hotel reservations in advance for a good shooting location, checked in the Thursday before, the girlfriend just happens to be on vacation the same weekend of the event, and so on.

There's nothing about this that says it was a spur of the moment thing.

It sounds like he spent a lot of time at casinos. I'm not sure the girlfriend being on vacation is evidence of it being thought out.
He had a lot of guns in his hotel room, but I don't see how that's so rare in the US... people carry guns around all the time, nobody does anything to stop it.

He could have just been hanging out in his room with his usual stash of guns, looked down at the concert, got the idea, and decided to go through with it.
If he was impulsive by nature, which it sort of sounds like he was, it really isn't a stretch.

I know everyone wants to look for deeper meaning in things like this, but I know people for whom a week of hardcore drinking would be enough for them to snap like this.
Serious alcoholics can get pretty messed up... it starts as a party, then goes wrong, then gets even more wrong, and finally shit like this is possible.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:09:51 PM

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There's nothing about this that says it was a spur of the moment thing.

I agree, you don't sneak 10 rifles into a hotel room by accident.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:14:07 PM

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He could have just been hanging out in his room with his usual stash of guns, looked down at the concert, got the idea, and decided to go through with it.
If he was impulsive by nature, which it sort of sounds like he was, it really isn't a stretch.

I know everyone wants to look for deeper meaning in things like this, but I know people for whom a week of hardcore drinking would be enough for them to snap like this.

One of my first thoughts after hearing about this was that after having his room bombarded by three days of constant very loud Country music may have just reached his limit and snapped. Vegas is the kind of town where he might have just been there to sell or buy guns and do a bit of gambling on the side.
It may not have been planned ahead of time at all. Rather that he just happened to have guns at hand when he broke.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:15:44 PM

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There's nothing about this that says it was a spur of the moment thing.

I agree, you don't sneak 10 rifles into a hotel room by accident.

Meh... he loved his guns.
And he wasn't doing anything unique.

http://pacevegas.com/2016/06/casino_guns/

If he was a big gambler and spent a lot of time there, they'd be even more willing to let it slide.

And it's a good thing too... otherwise we would have tyranny.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:20:45 PM

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Al queda is taking responsibility saying he recently converted to islam but the fbi isn't confirming it.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:25:51 PM

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Yeah right, that explains why he snuck them in and hid them.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:35:38 PM

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Yeah right, that explains why he snuck them in and hid them.

I don't think he hid them.

But now I'm reading that he had tripods and 19 rifles, so I guess it must have been premeditated.
That still doesn't mean that it always has to be, which is my point anyways.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:45:40 PM

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I don't think he hid them.

Hotel cleaning staff have been reported as saying they never saw any guns, so yeah, he hid them. Pay attention dude, I mean really.

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That still doesn't mean that it always has to be, which is my point anyways.

Well duh, that's one stupid fucking point that didn't need making.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:52:38 PM

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Al queda is taking responsibility saying he recently converted to islam but the fbi isn't confirming it.

So is every other camel fucking piece of shit.
Are you believing their message these days or what?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 2:55:11 PM

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last point---there ARE black country singers.

If you don't like Charlie Pride, there's something wrong.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 3:06:58 PM

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theres been research done on listening preferences and political persuasion. on the whole, country music is not a liberal predilection while it more or less is for the right...

a sort of fyi:

"CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'"

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Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's now-former vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.

“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.

Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 3:12:03 PM

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Michael, theres been research done on listening preferences and political persuasion. on the whole, country music is not a liberal predilection while it more or less is for the right...

a sort of fyi:

"CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'"

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Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's now-former vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.

“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.

Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5078437

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 3:23:17 PM

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last point---there ARE black country singers.

If you don't like Charlie Pride, there's something wrong.

Amen to that.

And Darius Rucker's voice was made for country music.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 3:27:18 PM

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I don't think he hid them.

Hotel cleaning staff have been reported as saying they never saw any guns, so yeah, he hid them. Pay attention dude, I mean really.

Or maybe they just weren't there when the staff was cleaning.
Just because the maid doesn't find something doesn't mean it is hidden.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 3:38:26 PM

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I don't think he hid them.

Hotel cleaning staff have been reported as saying they never saw any guns, so yeah, he hid them. Pay attention dude, I mean really.

Or maybe they just weren't there when the staff was cleaning.
Just because the maid doesn't find something doesn't mean it is hidden.