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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:13:13 AM

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One of the reason why the Left wants to move this dialogue away from the potential ISIS involvement is, this is their chance to make a very strong point for gun control, since perpetrator bought legal guns and has no criminal records and have a pretty clean reputable.

I already see late night show hosts all crying about gun control. This is gonna be another big gun control debate.

But for them to completely dismiss it and not even go after his GF is probably really just bias investigation. I think they need to cover all grounds. I feel like all reports completely dismisses the GF as any of note just because she was out of the country while this happened. Whereas usually when a soldier of Islam wants to martyr himself. He would usually keep his wife and children if any safe and get them out of harm's way first. She knew this was gonna happen. They need to find her.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:15:47 AM

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The G/F is in Australia. Maybe you too should be sure and cover all grounds before making any kind f definitive statement re muslims as you seem to.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:16:32 AM

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Right.

In fact, the easy availability of automatic weapons in Nevada isn't even a factor here.
He could have just as easily been throwing knives or hammers from his sniper's nest on the 32nd floor... and more people probably would have been killed.

I mean, knives don't even make a sound... so really, it's an argument in favor of allowing people to have silencers for their automatic weapons like the NRA wants.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:18:00 AM

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The G/F is in Australia. Maybe you too should be sure and cover all grounds before making any kind f definitive statement re muslims as you seem to.

Nope, news report says she was in Philippines while this was happening.

Australia is a big breeding ground for Extremist Muslims too. So being in Australia means nothing. ISIS love Australian Muslims because they speak good English. I recently saw a whole documentary on Channel News Asia all about Australia's Muslims.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/02/who-marilou-danley-girlfriend-suspected-las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock/724018001/

It doesn't matter what country she was from. But what is her religion. Somebody needs to find out what is her religion. Nobody has mentioned anything on that! Who cares that she was born in Philippines and citizenship Australian. Means nothing. Her religious following is more the important factor here.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:26:46 AM

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I once saw a whole cartoon of Yogi Bear. I'll never go in the woods with a picnic basket again. I once thought you had brains and a point to make . I have been apologising to myself for quite a while now. you really are a brainless f.o.s empty vessel, aren't you ? And yes, I know that is a paradox but you seem to manage it somehow.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:33:36 AM

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I once saw a whole cartoon of Yogi Bear. I'll never go in the woods with a picnic basket again. I once thought you had brains and a point to make . I have been apologising to myself for quite a while now. you really are a brainless f.o.s empty vessel, aren't you ? And yes, I know that is a paradox but you seem to manage it somehow.

And I know you pretend to be holier than thou than others.

But like others, you resort to ad hominem when you cannot counter what I said.

I've never felt comfortable with your character, that's why when you PM about the possibility of ever meeting in real life because you may have the occasion to come to Singapore, I never agreed to it.

One thing about me, I never do personal attacks unless attacked first. I don't play that low life game. I am here to debate and stick to issues and topic. But when attacked, don't expect me to turn the other cheek.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:38:45 AM

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It doesn't matter what country she was from. But what is her religion. Somebody needs to find out what is her religion. Nobody has mentioned anything on that! Who cares that she was born in Philippines and citizenship Australian. Means nothing. Her religious following is more the important factor here.

So if she's a Catholic, that means Catholicism is to blame?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:43:21 AM

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So if she's a Catholic, that means Catholicism is to blame?

If she was catholic, and the Pope didn't claim responsibility for this attack. So no, she is not to blame.
If the Pope or some extremist catholic group claim responsibility for this attack. Then sure, blame her.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 1:47:05 AM

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So if she's a Catholic, that means Catholicism is to blame?

If she was catholic, and the Pope didn't claim responsibility for this attack. So no, she is not to blame.
If the Pope or some extremist catholic group claim responsibility for this attack. Then sure, blame her.

Why can't you just admit you want it to be Islam so you can say you were right and justify hating Muslims?
Even if she was a non-radical Muslim and he wasn't, you would blame Islam.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 2:59:10 AM

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Why can't you just admit you want it to be Islam so you can say you were right and justify hating Muslims?
Even if she was a non-radical Muslim and he wasn't, you would blame Islam.

I wouldn't blame Islam at all if ISIS didn't take credit for it. But reality here is. ISIS did.

And I feel the authorities are just ruling that out because he is white.

It just shows when the west accuse people of being "racist" when people are anti-Islamic.

That the real person who only associated Muslims by race are the ones who doing the accusations.

If this was a coloured person of the race more typically associated with Islam. They wouldn't have dismiss it so lightly.

And you do realise Ariana Grande concert was recently targeted by Muslims. So Concerts are one of their targets now. It's not Far Fetched at all. It's a possibility.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 3:25:14 AM

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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if he had planned this in advance, then why the 32nd floor?
That's higher than a planned shooting would want to be. If I went wacko and planned to pull off something like this I'd get a room on the 10th floor or so. Still a good angle and field of fire, but lots more accurate, even if all you are doing is spraying a crowd. 32nd floor is just too high up, bullets slow down with distance, not much, but enough to make the difference between killing and only wounding. I don't think someone would plan anything like this with the intent to only wound. A pre-planned killing event should have been lower.

Lee Harvey Oswald was only on the 4th floor for his planned shooting if you buy the Warren Commission report.

Are you criticizing his technique? Dude racked up the highest body count of any mass shooting in the US, so far. I don't think he needed to be lower.

Oswald tried to get away quickly. He had no desire or intentions of getting caught and arrested (or ultimately killed).

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 3:36:37 AM

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Why can't you just admit you want it to be Islam so you can say you were right and justify hating Muslims?
Even if she was a non-radical Muslim and he wasn't, you would blame Islam.

I wouldn't blame Islam at all if ISIS didn't take credit for it. But reality here is. ISIS did.

And I feel the authorities are just ruling that out because he is white.

It just shows when the west accuse people of being "racist" when people are anti-Islamic.

That the real person who only associated Muslims by race are the ones who doing the accusations.

If this was a coloured person of the race more typically associated with Islam. They wouldn't have dismiss it so lightly.

And you do realise Ariana Grande concert was recently targeted by Muslims. So Concerts are one of their targets now. It's not Far Fetched at all. It's a possibility.

ISIS also sometimes declines to take ownership for attacks that turn out to be linked to it. For example, the group hasn’t claimed responsibility for the suspect in Canada who rammed his car into a police barricade Saturday night and then stabbed an officer, even though he had an ISIS flag on his vehicle's dashboard.

But until recently, claims of responsibility put out through official channels were seen as reliable. Establishing a reputation for making easily disprovable claims could undercut its credibility with its own supporters, so ISIS has carefully safeguarded its authority.

That might be changing. The group has now made at least two false claims in the past few months.

In June, ISIS took credit for a deadly attack on a casino in Manila, the capital of the Philippines, claiming that the shooter converted to Islam months before. But the attack later appeared to be a botched robbery by a gambling addict. Police have consistently maintained there was no tie to terror.

Then, last month, the group claimed it had placed bombs at Charles de Gaulle Airport, sparking an evacuation. There were no bombs and the evacuation was unrelated to terrorism.Its a shame its all in your head, you have nothing. as usual

PS terrorist groups have always taken responsibility for acts they havent tacken, The IRA used to do it 40 years ago, Eta did it in spaid, and Isis, al qaeda have done it.

Your attempt to put this on islam is curious, because you have less than a cunts hair of proof. Just whats in your head. no evidence, no proof, just mindless blerg.
You are spoiling for islam to be the only bad actors in the world, that shows the low bar on your knowledge and incredible hate for facts.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 3:50:14 AM

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ISIS also sometimes declines to take ownership for attacks that turn out to be linked to it. For example, the group hasn’t claimed responsibility for the suspect in Canada who rammed his car into a police barricade Saturday night and then stabbed an officer, even though he had an ISIS flag on his vehicle's dashboard.

If ISIS didn't take credit for that one, it's simply because this was someone who was doing it as a supporter of ISIS but ISIS had no official information regarding this dude gonna do this. And actually this makes ISIS even more credible that they don't claim anything unless they had info on this dude gonna do this.

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In June, ISIS took credit for a deadly attack on a casino in Manila, the capital of the Philippines, claiming that the shooter converted to Islam months before. But the attack later appeared to be a botched robbery by a gambling addict. Police have consistently maintained there was no tie to terror.

I have very high suspicion about the Philippines case. One thing I know about government is, that they can spin any truth any way they want, especially one as corrupted as Philippines. It could also be Durtete wants to look like a strong man who has terrorists under control and doesn't want it in his legacy where a terrorist managed to take a casino. Durtete is in serious war right now with Islamic terrorists and not gonna let them claim any victory.

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Then, last month, the group claimed it had placed bombs at Charles de Gaulle Airport, sparking an evacuation. There were no bombs and the evacuation was unrelated to terrorism.Its a shame its all in your head, you have nothing. as usual

Don't you think that if you were a terrorist who wanna successfully bomb shit. You should cry wolf more often, so when you plant the real bombs, all the police will be slacken on their guards and be like, 'Meh, that's some ISIS bullshit again creating false alarm!"

Good strategy ISIS! It's a very high alert environment right now and harder to accomplish their missions. More false alarms, especially for bombs, will tired the authorities from high alert.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 3:57:15 AM

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Why can't you just admit you want it to be Islam so you can say you were right and justify hating Muslims?
Even if she was a non-radical Muslim and he wasn't, you would blame Islam.

I wouldn't blame Islam at all if ISIS didn't take credit for it. But reality here is. ISIS did.

So every single Muslim in the world is a member of ISIS?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 4:05:02 AM

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Why can't you just admit you want it to be Islam so you can say you were right and justify hating Muslims?
Even if she was a non-radical Muslim and he wasn't, you would blame Islam.

I wouldn't blame Islam at all if ISIS didn't take credit for it. But reality here is. ISIS did.

And I feel the authorities are just ruling that out because he is white.

It just shows when the west accuse people of being "racist" when people are anti-Islamic.

That the real person who only associated Muslims by race are the ones who doing the accusations.

If this was a coloured person of the race more typically associated with Islam. They wouldn't have dismiss it so lightly.

And you do realise Ariana Grande concert was recently targeted by Muslims. So Concerts are one of their targets now. It's not Far Fetched at all. It's a possibility.

ISIS takes credit for everything. That's how terrorism works. It may even be true, but I'll wait for the FBI to confirm it.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 4:08:24 AM

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So every single Muslim in the world is a member of ISIS?

Very high 90% potential. Yes! Even that friendly Muslim who is friends with you. The cases in our country. ISIS supporters show no signs of extremism at all. But they support their more outwardly extremist friends. Like if their fellow Muslim buddy wants to fly to join the ISIS Army. The less extremist Muslims encourage them and basically hail them as heroes, although they themselves choose not to physically participate and on surface, be very chill and easy going and fun guy to be around.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 4:10:29 AM

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Why can't you just admit you want it to be Islam so you can say you were right and justify hating Muslims?
Even if she was a non-radical Muslim and he wasn't, you would blame Islam.

I wouldn't blame Islam at all if ISIS didn't take credit for it. But reality here is. ISIS did.

And I feel the authorities are just ruling that out because he is white.

It just shows when the west accuse people of being "racist" when people are anti-Islamic.

That the real person who only associated Muslims by race are the ones who doing the accusations.

If this was a coloured person of the race more typically associated with Islam. They wouldn't have dismiss it so lightly.

And you do realise Ariana Grande concert was recently targeted by Muslims. So Concerts are one of their targets now. It's not Far Fetched at all. It's a possibility.

ISIS takes credit for everything. That's how terrorism works. It may even be true, but I'll wait for the FBI to confirm it.

Don't bother, greta knows more than the FBI

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 4:12:16 AM

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Don't bother, greta knows more than the FBI

Wasn't that FBI Director the one who said that, there may be something in Hillary emails that would incriminate her? So FBI is know all?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 4:26:06 AM

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no, apparently you are.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/3/2017 4:26:16 AM

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/03/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html

Las Vegas investigation finds more weapons, but shooter's motive unknown

(CNN) A day after the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history, authorities are learning more about the shooter who fired into a crowd of thousands during a country music festival from a Las Vegas hotel suite.

At least 59 people were killed and 527 others were injured in the shooting that started late Sunday night. Police believe the shooter, Stephen Paddock, killed himself before they entered his suite.

In his 32nd-floor hotel suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, police recovered 23 weapons, including a handgun, and multiple rifles -- some had scopes on them. Authorities also found several pounds of ammonium nitrate, a material used to make explosives, in his car.

Police also searched the gunman's home in Mesquite, Nevada, where they found at least 19 firearms, explosives, several thousand rounds of ammunition and some electronic devices.

As police uncovered more evidence, they're still piecing together a motive.

There was no explanation on why Paddock, a 64-year-old retired accountant who had never faced any notable criminal charges, unleashed a hailstorm of bullets into concertgoers.

So far, police believe Paddock acted alone.

"We believe Paddock is solely responsible for this heinous act," Clark County Assistant Sheriff Todd Fasulo said in a press conference late Monday.

Latest developments

Police say Stephen Paddock killed more than 50 people at a Las Vegas concert.
Police say Stephen Paddock killed more than 50 people at a Las Vegas concert.
-- Paddock was alive when he made first contact with officers. A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's suite, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters. Paddock had a large suite with two rooms, he said.

-- Paddock fired at the officers through the door and shot a security guard, Lombardo said. The guard was shot in the leg.

-- A SWAT team broke down the door, but Paddock had already killed himself, he said.

-- Authorities were searching a house in Reno Monday. A law enforcement official confirmed that the FBI is present in the city as part of the investigation. Paddock had a house in Reno, his brother said.

A vigil was held in Las Vegas for victims of the shooting.
A vigil was held in Las Vegas for victims of the shooting.
-- Several vigils were held Monday night to honor the victims of the shooting. Community members gathered in Reno, Las Vegas, the Nellis Air Force Base and at the campus of University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

-- Carrie Barnette, a Disney employee, is the latest victim to be identified. "A senseless, horrific, act, and a terrible loss for so many. We mourn a wonderful member of the Disney family: Carrie Barnette," tweeted Disney Chairman and CEO Robert Iger.

-- Paddock bought multiple firearms in the past, but investigators believe the firearms were purchased legally, a law enforcement official said. The official said initial reports suggest at least one rifle was altered to function as an automatic weapon.

-- A North Las Vegas gun store sold a shotgun and a rifle to Paddock in the spring. All state and federal requirements, including a FBI background check, were met, said David Famiglietti, president of New Frontier Armory. He said that neither of the weapons "leaving our store [are] capable of what we've seen and heard in the video without modification."

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