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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/3/2017 5:06:02 AM   
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The actions of any actor, producer, musician, etc do not at all change our DVD or CD collections, and rarely change how we feel about what's currently in them. Even if it does change our buying habits in the future, or the selections available at retailers or on TV.

I certainly didn't trash my Mad Max or Lethal Weapon DVDs when Mel Gibson went all Jew hater. They're still really good movies, even if he's a total dick.

And I'm not going to get rid of my Seven DVD because Spacey's a pedo. It's still a good movie. I still own at least 25 films on DVD or Blu-ray from Miramax, Dimension Films, or The Weinstein Company. I still own a Woody Allen DVD, The Duke's of Hazzard DVD box collection, and a couple seasons of The Cosby Show.

Is the 80's HBO series First & Ten all of a sudden not good because OJ killed a couple white people? Is 'Thriller' any less captivating after the accusations against Michael Jackson? 'Frampton Comes Alive' didn't decline in quality because Peter Frampton got busted with kiddie porn.

Face it, Michaelangelo could have been an ax murdering pedophile necrophiliac and the Sisteen Chapel would still be fucking amazing.

But a person's artistic talents and abilities no way excuse or allow for criminal or unsociable behavior. And once they're outed for their personal actions, then they can be held accountable.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/3/2017 5:21:31 AM   
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The actions of any actor, producer, musician, etc do not at all change our DVD or CD collections, and rarely change how we feel about what's currently in them. Even if it does change our buying habits in the future, or the selections available at retailers or on TV.

I certainly didn't trash my Mad Max or Lethal Weapon DVDs when Mel Gibson went all Jew hater. They're still really good movies, even if he's a total dick.

And I'm not going to get rid of my Seven DVD because Spacey's a pedo. It's still a good movie. I still own at least 25 films on DVD or Blu-ray from Miramax, Dimension Films, or The Weinstein Company. I still own a Woody Allen DVD, The Duke's of Hazzard DVD box collection, and a couple seasons of The Cosby Show.

Is the 80's HBO series First & Ten all of a sudden not good because OJ killed a couple white people? Is 'Thriller' any less captivating after the accusations against Michael Jackson? 'Frampton Comes Alive' didn't decline in quality because Peter Frampton got busted with kiddie porn.

Face it, Michaelangelo could have been an ax murdering pedophile necrophiliac and the Sisteen Chapel would still be fucking amazing.

But a person's artistic talents and abilities no way excuse or allow for criminal or unsociable behavior. And once they're outed for their personal actions, then they can be held accountable.

This, and then some.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/3/2017 3:02:16 PM   
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The actions of any actor, producer, musician, etc do not at all change our DVD or CD collections, and rarely change how we feel about what's currently in them. Even if it does change our buying habits in the future, or the selections available at retailers or on TV.

I certainly didn't trash my Mad Max or Lethal Weapon DVDs when Mel Gibson went all Jew hater. They're still really good movies, even if he's a total dick.

And I'm not going to get rid of my Seven DVD because Spacey's a pedo. It's still a good movie. I still own at least 25 films on DVD or Blu-ray from Miramax, Dimension Films, or The Weinstein Company. I still own a Woody Allen DVD, The Duke's of Hazzard DVD box collection, and a couple seasons of The Cosby Show.

Is the 80's HBO series First & Ten all of a sudden not good because OJ killed a couple white people? Is 'Thriller' any less captivating after the accusations against Michael Jackson? 'Frampton Comes Alive' didn't decline in quality because Peter Frampton got busted with kiddie porn.

Face it, Michaelangelo could have been an ax murdering pedophile necrophiliac and the Sisteen Chapel would still be fucking amazing.

But a person's artistic talents and abilities no way excuse or allow for criminal or unsociable behavior. And once they're outed for their personal actions, then they can be held accountable.




Wow, I didn't know about Frampton.
Humm, will play some Frampton later on.

Digs JVoV most of the time, also.





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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:23:25 AM   
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Kevin is hands down, is a consummate actor, one of the most outstanding actors of our time.
Brilliant actor, deeply troubled human.
He has a history of groping and grabbing, very inappropriate--he needs help and I hope he gets help.

I'm not sure that I agree much with the 'if he gets help' theory. He didn't choose to get help all of these years and oddly enough, he didn't decide he needed help until he got caught.
I said on another thread that I actually do believe that addictions, including sexual addition, exists. However, people with addictions are usually aware they have a problem. It's really not that they don't know the difference between right and wrong.


Sometimes it does take a "come to Jesus" moment, to jar someone into doing the right thing. I think you're mistaking Marini's liking and supporting the talented actor (by her account; I, personally, couldn't give two shits about him as an actor), for support of what the person did. If one supports President Bill Clinton (or President Kennedy for that matter) and his time in the Oval Office, does that also mean one supports and condones the womanizing of "Slick Willy?" "Star power" certainly can blind us to the more disturbing aspects of a human being.


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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 5:20:45 AM   
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The actions of any actor, producer, musician, etc do not at all change our DVD or CD collections, and rarely change how we feel about what's currently in them. Even if it does change our buying habits in the future, or the selections available at retailers or on TV...


I think for the most part that's true, but there are indeed some people, though very rare, who mark their rejection of the person in question by not partaking in the product that person's involved with.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 6:21:21 AM   
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I think for the most part that's true, but there are indeed some people, though very rare, who mark their rejection of the person in question by not partaking in the product that person's involved with.



Just as an example, let me bring up a name: "Michael Vick". I'm not a Falcons fan, but I appreciated the hell out of Vick's talent.

I am, by no means an "Animal Rights Activist". Up until two years ago (or so), I hadn't had a dog in my house in over thirty years (I don't count the two-week misadventure with my son's rescued Dalmatian).

I didn't want to believe anyone could be stupid enough (forget the "cruel", for a moment) to have a fairly stellar career in the NFL and get involved with dog fighting. What moron throws that away? So, initially, I didn't want to believe it.

When he admitted to his involvement, I was done with him.

He did his time, came out and teams were floating test balloons to see if they could get him. My team entered the fray and I was pissed! Thank God he went to the Eagles ("Hide your Beagle! Vick's an Eagle!").

I believe people can change and I believe some deserve a second chance, but I equate to what I've heard from some high-priced attorneys: "Everyone deserves a defense, but not everyone deserves me."

The JETS did eventually get Vick, but he had spent some time, on the outside, at least trying to be a good citizen (it seems).

I decided to give him a chance, based upon all of those factors.

An old professor of mine (now, a friend) and I met up for drinks, the other night. As we do, we wound up talking politics and journalism. This professor also edits for a gay rights magazine based out West.

After we discussed all the obvious about Spacey, he asked me: "Michael, does he come back after this?"

I made my "I-just-ate-a-nasty-lemon" face and said: "I don't know, Andy, but he never makes another dime out of my pocket."

He is a great actor. Maybe that's part of the problem. Actors lie for a living. He certainly pulled the wool over a lot of peoples' eyes.



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 7:40:15 AM   
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Sometimes it does take a "come to Jesus" moment, to jar someone into doing the right thing. I think you're mistaking Marini's liking and supporting the talented actor (by her account; I, personally, couldn't give two shits about him as an actor), for support of what the person did. If one supports President Bill Clinton (or President Kennedy for that matter) and his time in the Oval Office, does that also mean one supports and condones the womanizing of "Slick Willy?" "Star power" certainly can blind us to the more disturbing aspects of a human being.

I'm not that big on Kevin Spacey as an actor but I just consider that to be differences in personal taste. There are definitely actors out there that I would be greatly disappointed if similar stories came out about them because I do like their work, so it's not that I don't get that angle.

As much as I dislike admitting it, there are several folks of my personal acquaintance that didn't have their "come to Jesus" moment until they got caught doing whatever in the heck they were doing. It wasn't that they didn't know that <insert particular type of bullsh^t here> was screwing up their life. It took the catalyst of getting caught to straighten themselves out. Some really did succeed in turning their lives around. I have huge admiration for that.

Unfortunately, 'therapy' doesn't have a great track record for those who prefer to indulge in their sexual activities with non-adults or other types of sexual predatory behavior. That's why we see such horrible re-offending rates when it comes to crimes related to sex.



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 7:43:09 AM   
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I'm just wondering why an actor who's won a few awards and made a lot of money has a "problem" for which he needs "therapy" rather than the legal consequences that would be applied to a serial sex pest with less notoriety and money.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 7:47:54 AM   
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here's another wrinkle:

Article: Leah Remini Reportedly Interviewed Victims of Masterson

I'm a fan of the show. I have been since it started. I have always liked Leah (she's a fellow Noo Yawkuh and not too hard on the eyes, either).

The headline (Not the shortened version I typed out) almost made it seem like she and her co-star, Mike Rinder, were involved in some kind of "cover up". Not the case.

Here's the important bit:
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According to Ortega's report, Remini and co-star Mike Rinder were asked by the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office to hold airing the episode while they decided whether or not to file charges against Masterson, who himself is a Scientologist. Remini then reportedly asked A&E not to air the explosive episode.

The article goes on to cite a HuffPoo claim:
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HuffPost published a revealing update on the case on Thursday, alleging that the case has been "slow-rolled" despite "overwhelming" evidence against the actor, who has lawyered up. The reported evidence includes "audiotapes, emails sent to and from Scientology officers at the time the alleged rapes happened, forensic computer evidence and a threatening handwritten letter Masterson sent to one of the alleged victims."

Could the police/District Attorneys have been "feeling some heat" from Weinstain's "machine"? How far does this go?



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 7:53:49 AM   
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Quite possibly somebody wanted to keep the C0f$ element out of the investigation, rather than protecting Masterson? Hasn't worked if so...

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 7:58:07 AM   
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I'm just wondering why an actor who's won a few awards and made a lot of money has a "problem" for which he needs "therapy" rather than the legal consequences that would be applied to a serial sex pest with less notoriety and money.

maybe the statute of limitations ?
Thats maybe why weinstein, trump, ailes, all the other serial nasties are being taken to court, civil, not criminal?
A:tho one headline I read somewhere last night, saying the NYPD had now got a "credible" rape charge against Weinstein, It was only a matter of time.


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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 8:07:29 AM   
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I'm just wondering why an actor who's won a few awards and made a lot of money has a "problem" for which he needs "therapy" rather than the legal consequences that would be applied to a serial sex pest with less notoriety and money.

Because if the perpetrator has a 'problem,' addiction, or some other thing, it's not their fault.


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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 8:11:22 AM   
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I'm just wondering why an actor who's won a few awards and made a lot of money has a "problem" for which he needs "therapy" rather than the legal consequences that would be applied to a serial sex pest with less notoriety and money.

Because if the perpetrator has a 'problem,' addiction, or some other thing, it's not their fault.


If sex addiction is a thing, yes, but it only ever seems to get used as a justification for the behaviour of minor celebrities, successful business mavens, and other wealthy and influential sorts. I've yet to see that excuse offered for sex pests, serial molesters or rapists from less affluent backgrounds.

Lucy, that's definitely a good point.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:50:01 AM   
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If sex addiction is a thing, yes, but it only ever seems to get used as a justification for the behaviour of minor celebrities, successful business mavens, and other wealthy and influential sorts. I've yet to see that excuse offered for sex pests, serial molesters or rapists from less affluent backgrounds.

I'm rather convinced that sexual addiction is a thing. I'm probably about to tell you a bunch of stuff that you already know, but hang with me for a minute.

Most people can wrap their heads around chemical addictions. Things like booze, substances, nicotine, etc. Put ingredient X into the body, the body becomes dependent, and this helps the person get into the cycle of obsession and compulsion. It becomes about more than the physical dependency, which is scary enough if you've ever dealt with a person going through the DTs.

So, that's the body. Let's talk about the brain.

The whole reason that synthetics work is because they trigger chemical reactions in the grey matter. One thing or another boosts our endorphin levels, and we tend to like that. A whole lot!

Non-chemical addictions still get the same kind of endorphin flow in the brain. It's the rush, the high, etc. Those same chemicals are firing off that feel-good stuff and what's happening in the brain is very similar. The person with a gambling addiction is a great example of this. The porn addict. Shopping. Anything that has anything to do with adrenaline.

Even with my personal stance believing in stand alone types of addictions, I wouldn't dare to put a number on how many people have an actual sex addiction as opposed to 'damn, it's a great legal defense'.




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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:57:51 AM   
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If sex addiction is a thing, yes, but it only ever seems to get used as a justification for the behaviour of minor celebrities, successful business mavens, and other wealthy and influential sorts. I've yet to see that excuse offered for sex pests, serial molesters or rapists from less affluent backgrounds.

I'm rather convinced that sexual addiction is a thing. I'm probably about to tell you a bunch of stuff that you already know, but hang with me for a minute.

Most people can wrap their heads around chemical addictions. Things like booze, substances, nicotine, etc. Put ingredient X into the body, the body becomes dependent, and this helps the person get into the cycle of obsession and compulsion. It becomes about more than the physical dependency, which is scary enough if you've ever dealt with a person going through the DTs.

So, that's the body. Let's talk about the brain.

The whole reason that synthetics work is because they trigger chemical reactions in the grey matter. One thing or another boosts our endorphin levels, and we tend to like that. A whole lot!

Non-chemical addictions still get the same kind of endorphin flow in the brain. It's the rush, the high, etc. Those same chemicals are firing off that feel-good stuff and what's happening in the brain is very similar. The person with a gambling addiction is a great example of this. The porn addict. Shopping. Anything that has anything to do with adrenaline.

Even with my personal stance believing in stand alone types of addictions, I wouldn't dare to put a number on how many people have an actual sex addiction as opposed to 'damn, it's a great legal defense'.




No argument with most of that, but until sex addiction starts getting used as an excuse to keep poor sex offenders as well as rich ones out of jail, I don't have any time for it as a legal argument. Sorry.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 10:20:34 AM   
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Well, only a doctor can diagnose a medical or mental condition. Until the poor are given appropriate access to mental health providers, how can they be diagnosed, much less treated?

The poor also lack the best lawyers available when they're on trial, and they get one, not a full team with the resources of major firms behind them to pull rabbits out of hats.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 10:31:56 AM   
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Well, only a doctor can diagnose a medical or mental condition. Until the poor are given appropriate access to mental health providers, how can they be diagnosed, much less treated?

The poor also lack the best lawyers available when they're on trial, and they get one, not a full team with the resources of major firms behind them to pull rabbits out of hats.


Also, I don't think anyone here is qualified to state what treatments work, what treatments do not work.
Addiction of any type is a mental health issue, and I am not sure why it is being picked apart more than the other mental health addictions.

What is the overall "cure" rate for any addiction?
{drugs legal and illegal, alcohol, sex, gambling, over eating, smoking, etc.}

I wonder why some people feel like they can judge some issues over other issues?
Anyway there are some great treatment programs, it is interesting sex addiction centers also treat:

Compulsive masturbation
Multiple affairs
Anonymous sex
Obsessive dating
Compulsive use of pornography
Risky or unsafe sex
Cybersex
Exhibitionism
Voyeurism
Prostitution or use of prostitutes


Recovery Ranch- sex addiction

Another thing I don't see being mentioned is the LONG list of actors/directors/entertainment folks being accused, including Dustin Hoffman.
This issue is widespread and pervasive, it also is not limited to celebrities.
It has been covered up for a long time, and I hope in the future we see "less" cover ups.


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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 11:49:30 AM   
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Chastity devices for sex offenders seems like an appropriate start.

Let your shrink hold your key.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 12:37:38 PM   
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Well, only a doctor can diagnose a medical or mental condition. Until the poor are given appropriate access to mental health providers, how can they be diagnosed, much less treated?

I believe this is incorrect. Of the thousands of folks sitting at AA meetings this weekend, how many of them are there on a doctor's referral?

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The poor also lack the best lawyers available when they're on trial, and they get one, not a full team with the resources of major firms behind them to pull rabbits out of hats.

In my opinion, the whole job of a defense attorney is to try to get the client a not guilty verdict. In lieu of that, the next best thing is 'smallest sentence possible'. Try to keep the client out of jail


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Also, I don't think anyone here is qualified to state what treatments work, what treatments do not work.

OK. I'm not qualified. I have two questions for you:

How many recovering alcoholics do you know? It's probably at least a few.

As opposed to how many recovering sex addicts do you know? If you know any, you can probably count them on one hand and still have fingers left over. Unless, of course, you are in the field.

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Addiction of any type is a mental health issue, and I am not sure why it is being picked apart more than the other mental health addictions.

Nope, nope, and more nope.

I tend to believe that, unless a person is so ill that they honestly don't know right from wrong, they are accountable. I am the LAST person you will ever see on this board excusing an alcoholic for ramming into another car. Random person A wants to get high? I don't care. Right up until they make another person a victim of a crime because they were "chasing the dragon".

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What is the overall "cure" rate for any addiction?
{drugs legal and illegal, alcohol, sex, gambling, over eating, smoking, etc.}

Sex addicts don't seem to be doing well on the scorecard. I didn't cherry pick, but a quick turn on google gave an estimated 5%. (It's actually worse than I thought it was.)

For what it's worth, I tend to separate addictions to food and sex differently than other types of addictions. To take alcohol as an example, a person can abdicate from drinking without it being necessary to life. Can't really do that about food, and most people consider sex as an essential part to a healthy life.

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I wonder why some people feel like they can judge some issues over other issues?

It's because I believe in choices. The whole concept of, even in addiction, people do know right from wrong.

I've done a lot of wrong sh^t in my life. When I did this thing or that thing? I knew what I was doing. Like it or not, unless a person really is mentally incompetent, they do, too.

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Anyway there are some great treatment programs, it is interesting sex addiction centers also treat:

Compulsive masturbation
Multiple affairs
Anonymous sex
Obsessive dating
Compulsive use of pornography
Risky or unsafe sex
Cybersex
Exhibitionism
Voyeurism
Prostitution or use of prostitutes


Recovery Ranch- sex addiction

Thank you! Thank you for posting that!

Yet, Weinstein had to flee to Europe for "treatment". Maybe Spacey will find a nice treatment center in Bermuda. (I hear extradition is a b^tch from there.)

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Another thing I don't see being mentioned is the LONG list of actors/directors/entertainment folks being accused, including Dustin Hoffman.

Really? I must have missed the articles from the two (former) 14 year olds that were published in the last week saying Dustin Hoffman sexually molested them.

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This issue is widespread and pervasive, it also is not limited to celebrities.

Well, at least we agree on something.

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It has been covered up for a long time, and I hope in the future we see "less" cover ups.

For what it's worth, I hope that, too.


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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 12:47:32 PM   
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Chastity devices for sex offenders seems like an appropriate start.

Let your shrink hold your key.

Older, professional-looking guys float your boat, then?

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