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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 12:56:19 PM   
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I believe this is incorrect. Of the thousands of folks sitting at AA meetings this weekend, how many of them are there on a doctor's referral?



I can speak to the AA aspect:

I have been to my fair share of AA, AlAnon, and NA meetings.

And there is somewhat of a delineation:

In AA, there are very few (I don't think I've ever met one) people there on any kind of "official" doctor "referral". In fact, I think it's fair to say that a doctor would never make a "referral" to a (non-medical) individual or a group of any kind.

That said, I have met, literally, THOUSANDS who, when telling their stories, mention pleas and "orders" from their doctors to get their asses to some "help".

Now, we could (I guess) count the people whose doctors refer them to a rehabilitation center and that rehabilitation center strongly suggests 12-step programs. I guess that might be a "referral-once-removed"? LOL

But, more to your point: AA's general consensus (amongst the rank-and-file) and official statements in the literature goes:

Only YOU can decide if you have a problem with alcohol.
It doesn't matter WHAT you drink. It doesn't matter HOW MUCH you drink. It doesn't matter HOW OFTEN you drink. The only thing that matters is: What happens TO YOU, when you drink?

Now, to the NA point: My personal observation is that lots of people in NA were "self-medicating" (when they were using) as a result of some kind of mental illness issue. MANY will say they weren't able to stop using until they got the mental health help that they needed (PTSD and Bi-Polar Disorder seem to be the biggest issues, there).




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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:16:33 PM   
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yes the idea of one repenting and changing their ways throws a monkey wrench into the calculus too doesn't it?

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:21:36 PM   
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yes the idea of one repenting and changing their ways throws a monkey wrench into the calculus too doesn't it?


If this was regarding my last post, I'm not sure I understand?



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:22:55 PM   
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no the post where you talked about Michael vick.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:28:05 PM   
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no the post where you talked about Michael vick.


Oh! Yes, I would consider him "repented" and even "rehabilitated". Along the same lines, I KNOW I've mentioned ... now, the name escapes me ... Lewis Retired from the Ravens? He was involved in a murder case and went on to become a FINE citizen as well as ambassador for the NFL.

I had to eat a little crow (years later) on that one.



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:30:36 PM   
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ever hear or read the story by and about corrie ten boom and one of her former Nazi concentration camp prison guards?

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:34:57 PM   
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ever hear or read the story by and about corrie ten boom and one of her former Nazi concentration camp prison guards?


I know I've heard the story ... people that sheltered Jews from the Nazis?



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:40:53 PM   
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yes, she and her family did, and they all ended up in a camp. most died and years afterward corrie was speaking around the world sharing the her experiences and the gospel---with an emphasis on the need for divine forgiveness.

one of her former camp guards was in the audience and approached her afterwards, and spoke to her. if I remember rightly, the whole account is recorded in her book "tramp for the lord"---but i'll see if I can the specific account online. its pretty powerful.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:42:50 PM   
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Corrie Ten Boom Story on Forgiving

“It was in a church in Munich that I saw him—a balding, heavyset man in a gray overcoat, a brown felt hat clutched between his hands. People were filing out of the basement room where I had just spoken, moving along the rows of wooden chairs to the door at the rear. It was 1947 and I had come from Holland to defeated Germany with the message that God forgives.

“It was the truth they needed most to hear in that bitter, bombed-out land, and I gave them my favorite mental picture. Maybe because the sea is never far from a Hollander’s mind, I liked to think that that’s where forgiven sins were thrown. ‘When we confess our sins,’ I said, ‘God casts them into the deepest ocean, gone forever. …’

“The solemn faces stared back at me, not quite daring to believe. There were never questions after a talk in Germany in 1947. People stood up in silence, in silence collected their wraps, in silence left the room.

“And that’s when I saw him, working his way forward against the others. One moment I saw the overcoat and the brown hat; the next, a blue uniform and a visored cap with its skull and crossbones. It came back with a rush: the huge room with its harsh overhead lights; the pathetic pile of dresses and shoes in the center of the floor; the shame of walking naked past this man. I could see my sister’s frail form ahead of me, ribs sharp beneath the parchment skin. Betsie, how thin you were!

[Betsie and I had been arrested for concealing Jews in our home during the Nazi occupation of Holland; this man had been a guard at Ravensbruck concentration camp where we were sent.]

“Now he was in front of me, hand thrust out: ‘A fine message, Fräulein! How good it is to know that, as you say, all our sins are at the bottom of the sea!’

“And I, who had spoken so glibly of forgiveness, fumbled in my pocketbook rather than take that hand. He would not remember me, of course—how could he remember one prisoner among those thousands of women?

“But I remembered him and the leather crop swinging from his belt. I was face-to-face with one of my captors and my blood seemed to freeze.

“ ‘You mentioned Ravensbruck in your talk,’ he was saying, ‘I was a guard there.’ No, he did not remember me.

“ ‘But since that time,’ he went on, ‘I have become a Christian. I know that God has forgiven me for the cruel things I did there, but I would like to hear it from your lips as well. Fräulein,’ again the hand came out—’will you forgive me?’

“And I stood there—I whose sins had again and again to be forgiven—and could not forgive. Betsie had died in that place—could he erase her slow terrible death simply for the asking?

“It could not have been many seconds that he stood there—hand held out—but to me it seemed hours as I wrestled with the most difficult thing I had ever had to do.

“For I had to do it—I knew that. The message that God forgives has a prior condition: that we forgive those who have injured us. ‘If you do not forgive men their trespasses,’ Jesus says, ‘neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.’

“I knew it not only as a commandment of God, but as a daily experience. Since the end of the war I had had a home in Holland for victims of Nazi brutality. Those who were able to forgive their former enemies were able also to return to the outside world and rebuild their lives, no matter what the physical scars. Those who nursed their bitterness remained invalids. It was as simple and as horrible as that.

“And still I stood there with the coldness clutching my heart. But forgiveness is not an emotion—I knew that too. Forgiveness is an act of the will, and the will can function regardless of the temperature of the heart. ‘… Help!’ I prayed silently. ‘I can lift my hand. I can do that much. You supply the feeling.’

“And so woodenly, mechanically, I thrust my hand into the one stretched out to me. And as I did, an incredible thing took place. The current started in my shoulder, raced down my arm, sprang into our joined hands. And then this healing warmth seemed to flood my whole being, bringing tears to my eyes.

“ ‘I forgive you, brother!’ I cried. ‘With all my heart!’

“For a long moment we grasped each other’s hands, the former guard and the former prisoner. I had never known God’s love so intensely, as I did then”


http://www.familylifeeducation.org/gilliland/procgroup/CorrieTenBoom.htm

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 1:48:18 PM   
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You are unwanted and unloved.
You should go away now.
its for the best.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 2:35:19 PM   
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Not so much really.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 4:24:31 PM   
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Yes. The mercy of forgiveness.

The Christian obligation, as that piece pointed out, to give that forgiveness, once it is asked.

Powerful stuff.



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 5:24:27 PM   
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Yes. The mercy of forgiveness.

The Christian obligation, as that piece pointed out, to give that forgiveness, once it is asked.

Powerful stuff.

Peace,

Michael



and even when its not...smiles...

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 5:28:25 PM   
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Yes. The mercy of forgiveness.
The Christian obligation, as that piece pointed out, to give that forgiveness, once it is asked.

Powerful stuff.

Peace,

Michael


and even when its not...smiles...


I was raised a Catholic. We were taught God's forgiveness must be asked for (confession) before absolution could be given.

As a human, I require that my forgiveness be asked, otherwise I assume the "offender" is not contrite and unrepentant.



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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 5:38:26 PM   
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The latest accusation against Spacey (#11 if you're counting) is by Richard Dreyfuss's son, Harry.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/harrydreyfuss2/actor-harry-dreyfuss-when-i-was-18-kevin-spacey-groped-me?utm_term=.qjWkP5A10b#.ifxK3lOrv9

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:12:13 PM   
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Chastity devices for sex offenders seems like an appropriate start.

Let your shrink hold your key.


lol, that is a good one.

Maybe we will see "shrink" key holder profiles on here, I actually have seen
people dressed in doctor costumes on here, offering key holder services.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:21:51 PM   
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The latest accusation against Spacey (#11 if you're counting) is by Richard Dreyfuss's son, Harry.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/harrydreyfuss2/actor-harry-dreyfuss-when-i-was-18-kevin-spacey-groped-me?utm_term=.qjWkP5A10b#.ifxK3lOrv9


This man has some serious demons, he is a lot worse off than I initially thought earlier in the week.
He has been a serial predator, and I hope some of these young men can sue for damages.

We thought he was a good actor, but it appears when he played a predator, he was not always acting.

Rich men, powerful men, and men with influence have often thought they could "get away with" and "do almost anything", because no one would "tell.

Many people will know think twice before engaging in these behaviors, that have been going on, probably close to as long as man has walked the earth.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:25:37 PM   
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I was "Matron" and "headmistress" held the keys of several subs... "naughty boys" back in the day...but got fed up with it being an expectation of further fetish delivery. outside the "boundaries" of a "hands off" keyholder.




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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:28:08 PM   
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Ok, so you can write up the report for the clinical trial. Let's do it.

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RE: Another Piece of Shit - 11/4/2017 9:29:40 PM   
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I hate writing reports dammit.
i need me a "minion"

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