Termyn8or
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The best pizza I ever had was from a place called The Villa. At first just one location and that is when they were the best. They eventually went out of business. But thing is they used very expensive ingredients. Another on was Trio's Pizza, very good but also out of business. Angelo's was good, and I think they are still in business.
And decades ago we used to drive clear across town to get DiCarlo's, which was not the standa4d Americanized pizza. It had sauce on it, that is all. The had a kinda hot sauce but you had to order everything like pepperoni and cheese. The pepperoni was shaved and piled on thick. The cheese was romano. This was put on after it was made and taken out of the oven. The ride home with it gave the pepperoni a chance to rend its grease into the pizza and it was great. Not sure but I think it was about 30 miles away, and we did not mind the drive time. Later they moved, and then went out of business. The guy did give my Father the recipe and he had varying success duplicating it. The problem is getting the shaved pepperoni, y elcheapo slicer won't do it, you need a commercial one like a Hobart or something.
Buddy of mine worked at a pizzeria run by his Mother. Actually a relative of the Bellasarios own(ed?) it. He told me the most expensive ingredient is the cheese, and you can spend some money on the cheese, believe me. Not that Papa John's does, they probably use the cheapest shit they can get. It really doesn't have much flavor. One of the best mixes is provolone, mozzerella and romano. That can get expensive.
Now these old and really good pizzerias used really good ingredients and I am sure that cost money. And like I said, people are lazy and many have never had a really good pizza. They are more expensive and people are cheap. Papa John's and others have garlic butter (margarine actually) to dip the pizza in, you should not need that. Also, good pizza does not need salt.
Those places that are out of business would probably have to charge three times what the elcheapo places charge, just to stay in business. One that survived is Nunzio's, they are still good but as of late they have declined and become a bit too greasy.
When the family moved here they tried every pizzeria in town and found nothing to compare to the old way. I used to make a pizza every Saturday and we had a party. People asked where I got it and I told them I didn't, I made it. However it has been a long time and I probably lost my touch. One problem is getting enough sausage and pepperoni with enough fat in it. The health craze is killing me. And people are so damned stupid they do not realize that eating fat does not go directly to be fat in your body, nor is it harmful in reasonable quantities. Sure it makes fat in your body, but carbs are worse.
Everything I like seems to disappear, or become "new and improved" and is wrecked. Many things come to mind and pizza is definitely one of them.
Another thing about this area is there are many many pizzerias. They all got coupons. Problem is, it is sometimes better to eat the box and throw away the pizza.
It is hard to stay in that business. In fact any restaurant is a tough business, mainly because people are lazy and will just go to McD's or whatever.
Enough ranting, I think you got the idea. Everything I like is disappearing. I will be glad to leave this planet. The food is becoming bland. People are sickeningly stupid. There is really no way out o f these environmental problems unless we spend all our money to live like people did 100 years ago. And the good is not only bland, but also lacking in nutrients which causes about half the diseases in "civilized" countries.
Yup, I won't be crying on me death bed. I will be laughing at the shit those who remain have to put up with.
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Personally I think you just look for a shit pot to stir or anyone you can talk down to. Because bitching about how people offer up opinions regarding franchise pizza is both sad and hilarious. Must be a slow news day at Townhall, eh? 
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