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ORIGINAL: LTE

...is shit. What is not shit is that some women are crazy enough to feel threatened when no threat is intended.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

No, saying you’re good to go if they don’t strongly shut you down, is not correct.
There’s not a woman on earth who hasn’t been threatened for saying no. We’re lucky if it stops with threats.

And it is never appropriate to cause a hostile work environment. Which is what happens when you view coworkers and subordinates as a pool of available vaginas.

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ORIGINAL: LTE

...and that is also not shit is men are supposed to be the aggressor and most women expect them to be so. That is coded in our chromosomes. The DNA for both genders. It's how the human race was designed. However, some women have bought in to the notion that they are not women by redefining what a man and a women are in relationship to each other and then find themselves on a forum justifying this irrational behavior. Take a Red Pill and call me in the morning.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Passive aggressive males in your case, judging from the whinily entitled bitching whenever you get onto this one, sweetie.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Interesting story and accept for him not being honest at first, seemed to be handled well.

He has a habit of lying about his occupation. When he first met me, he also lied to me about his occupation too. But they fell inlove and I don't think any woman would be unhappy that a man is actually making more money than he let up initially. But this woman is also wealthy in her own right as she is a rich kid with large inheritance from parents and the job was not important to her, as she wasn't wanting for money to start with. So it all worked out.

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Would you like a club to go with the caveman concept?

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
When I was raised men were to be the aggressor and women were to be passive.

The old “men chase and women choose” concept.

But now it seems that if the “chase” is more than a onetime offer of dinner, it is sexual harassment. (In the work place asking twice can legally be considered sexual harassment)

So I guess my question is; are men to stop being the aggressor, stop chasing and just let women chase and choose?

Simply, YES, men are to stop being the aggressor stop chasing and just let women chase and choose.

The whole premise is wrong from the start -- you're conflating "pursuer" with "aggressor". They are two very different things.

Pursuing a women is asking her out and if she declines or acts wishy-washy, stop pursuing. There is no chasing her, just accepting rejection. After she says no, continuing after her is aggressive.

Being an aggressor is to get rejected, but then keep asking until she finally relents. It doesn't have to be in a "mean" manner, just unwanted. Aggressive acts in this sense may include gift-giving, dinner offers, flowers, etc.; acts that would be otherwise be considered nice or romantic.

Think Pepé le Pew. My instinct was to call him an extreme example, but with all the women coming out with stories of unwelcome or forced kissing, groping, hugging, etc. some men in power have taken his behavior as normal.

The answer here is simple. It's the same as the 2 consent threads you started.

If you're worried about being a harasser, just stop assuming there are mind games going on and (here's a totally! new! concept!) take no for no. If she is the kind to play mind games, she'll either miss out or let you know she actually is interested by saying so. Who wants to be with someone who plays mind games and doesn't just tell you what they want, anyway?

As far as the workplace goes, there's an old saying: don't shit where you eat.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
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I have repeatedly posted in this kind of thread that I do not understand or accept any male attitude which bemoans how men are poor creatures who are put upon in today's workplace or dating culture, where somehow the slightest error can lead to a sincere individual being branded as a sexual harasser.
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

I actually was kind enjoying your post until you decided to act like a jerk and started in with your; "(here's a totally! new! concept!) take no for no" idiocy and I thought I bet she also believes that the slogan "just say no to drugs" has stopped drug abuse. I hate to break it to you but real life just doesn't work that way.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
The whole idea of anyone being the "aggressor" makes me feel uncomfortable straight off ...

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

I actually was kind enjoying your post until you decided to act like a jerk and started in with your; "(here's a totally! new! concept!) take no for no" idiocy and I thought I bet she also believes that the slogan "just say no to drugs" has stopped drug abuse. I hate to break it to you but real life just doesn't work that way.

Just say no to drugs? Where in your ass did you pull that whack ass straw man from?

But you're right, in real life it doesn't work out that "no means no" because men, such as yourself, keep arguing that "no" means one of a 50 shads of gray instead of a black and white, plain as day, one word sentence.

(And I'll address your non-sequitur for fun... In a family full of hardcore drug addicts, I escaped drug addiction by saying no to drugs. It was simple. I said no when friends offered, and they respected me enough not to ask again. "No" is simple.)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
I'm glad it worked out for them, I just find that it is hard to trust someone who starts out by lying to you.

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ORIGINAL: LTE

...is shit. What is not shit is that some women are crazy enough to feel threatened when no threat is intended.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You dont expect everyone to appreciate your "caveman with club" approach :)

Too many men dont have that filter.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

That's just me. For me, it's safety. If things turn south. I want to disappear. I had bad experience of men stalking or retaliating if you want to stop seeing him. Like a literal "Have sex with me again or else......things he knew about me threatening to use against me.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

I was a preteen when my mom and dad taught me that if you like a girl, and want her to like you, you should focus on her, listen, and make her feel like she is the only person in the world when you talk to her. Let her know how she makes you feel. Be open, vulnerable (but not fragile) and if there is any chance of chemistry, she will respond in kind.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
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I have repeatedly posted in this kind of thread that I do not understand or accept any male attitude which bemoans how men are poor creatures who are put upon in today's workplace or dating culture, where somehow the slightest error can lead to a sincere individual being branded as a sexual harasser.
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I found this to be interesting, I don't know about this "poor creatures" thing but will point out that I have started three threads just to have conversations about topics that seemed to be in the news and mostly to hear what others have to say on the subjects. For the most part I have not given my opinion on the subjects and yet without even knowing how I stand on the subject, I have been called a sexual harasser and an advocate for rape and that without the "slightest error".