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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

So unless a woman elevates the level of violence and increases her risk of being murdered substantially, she shouldn’t bother calling the cops?

But I guess she should be happy that the cops are more likely to try to get justice for her murder. After all, it doesn’t matter if she lives through the assault or not.

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella

As to the "yes means yes, no means no" thing, I've been saying that, if not in this thread, than I did in his inane consent posts.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Thanks for agreeing with me.

I didn't agree with you. I said pedophiles aren't within the subject of consent because non-adults can't consent. Are you being obtuse on purpose?

It matters about as much if a person who is not legally an adult saying "yes" about sexual contact as it does if the same person says "yes" they would like to rent a car. The ADULT in the situation is perfectly aware that the non-adult can't legally consent. Are you suggesting that the term "jail-bait" isn't common enough that the majority of adults in the United States are unaware of what it means?

I don't know why you are trying to twist your idea of "it's not as simple as yes means yes and no means no" has to reach so far for you to drag the idea of non adults into it. Personally, if you are actually talking about consent, you have to consider that non adults can't. But, if it's still an issue, here's some cartoons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGoWLWS4-kU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3nhM9UlJjc

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

So I guess you think it's okay to sent young innocents out to be raped and molested, well I guess we now know where you stand on the matter.

Yes, I stand on the side of logic. You stand on the side of... men confusing a simple concept because he doesn't like the answer. Ever notice how it's only men who question these things? Women have no problem explaining harassment or coming up with examples of times they felt or have been threatened.

For someone with a habit of saying people don't stick to the OP, it's pretty bullshit for you to start calling me a pedo encourager in a convo about men and women and then act like it''s a part of the conversation.

You don't need to respond to every post, you know. It's clear straws are all you have to grasp for.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


Why? I think children should be protected, don't you and with the simplistic "Yes means yes and no, no" there are no qualifications and thus covers everyone including children and so the idiots that keep spewing forth this nonsense should be reminded of the possible consequences of their trying to force this on everyone.

Arent you the poster that used the term yes means yes?

Clover used the term no means no. You put quote marks around a term that was not written, in this thread at least by anyone other than you.

If I missed the post where clover actually used that term ‘yes means yes’ I will stand corrected.

Calling some a pedophile apologist is vile. Can you back up that opinion with the post that Clover actually wrote that lead into forming your opinion?

I did no

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ORIGINAL: cloverodella

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Calling some a pedophile apologist is vile. Can you back up that opinion with the post that Clover actually wrote that lead into forming your opinion?

As to the "yes means yes, no means no" thing, I've been saying that, if not in this thread, than I did in his inane consent posts.

But to calling me a pedo apologist? To my recollection, I've never posted anything to do with minors and gross violations of their personhood. The link between this post and pedophilia are in his mind, and his mind alone. I'm glad I'm not privy to what else is there.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
You don’t see a lot of car dealerships letting 10 year olds test drive vehicles but I am pretty sure that if someone asked my grandson if he wanted to drive the answer would be in the affirmative ... however he is not allowed to say yes. I’m done with this part of the discussion. I am not confused and it’s not as if anyone posting in this thread is going to be looking after my grandchildren.

Moving on.

In some respects it has become ‘in’ to out and I am seeing the trend in a lot of industries, orgs and businesses. It isn’t just the entertainment industry in California. Judiciary, culinary, car dealers, the medical field, religions, military, finance, sports and the list goes on.

Is outing here to stay or will some new bright and shiny allow for a new crop of taint to permeate society? (Rhetorical)

Shit happens, things change and what was okay yesterday is not okay today but may be okay again tomorrow.

It’s called life. Live it and adapt to the changes or stomp a foot and yell at the world to stop because you want to get off and good luck with that one because it just isn’t going to slow down enough to even catch up.

Reality. There are criminal elements in the world. Do the best you can.

In regard to the opening post.. (not poster) If you’re worried about aggression and how others perceive you, then I would suggest you learn how to flirt or go to charm school or, yanno .. watch chick flicks..or go to jail, be shunned, whatever. Can’t say that I care one way or the other.

Kill Bill is not a chick flick. 😉

Ladies and gentlemen..my advice..use your tools. The last time I was touched without consent (Halloween party..so about five, six weeks ago), I had to sidestep in my own home, ask the man not to touch me because it made me uncomfortable and his embarrassment was obvious. He immediately went over to his wife who was sitting on the couch not ten feet away and told her to pack it in because they were leaving. I have told the person who brought him not to bring him back.

The embarrassment tool is in your arsenal, usually works well and if it doesn’t work..use a different tool appropriate to the situation. Aggressive offensive can also be a tool. ‘What the fuck is wrong with you? QUIT touching me’ screamed at the top of your lungs in front of the wife may be a viable alternative. That probably would have been my go-to if his touching had continued. If it continued after aggressive offensive, then knees to balls or some other physical exertion may be your last chance.

If you find yourself in a situation of danger in the presence of a criminal do what is necessary for your own survival.. if it comes down to a choice between your life and the aggressors then do the killing yourself because that is way better than doing the dieing.

Maybe Kill Bill is a chick flick after all?

And now I’m done with this part of the discussion unless there is a question relevant to my post.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

This is the third or fourth thread in which everybody is wrong and no one knows what they are talking about, except you.

The one thing they all have in common is you.

Maybe you need to do a better job of expressing yourself, if no one understands what you are trying to say, except for you.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

This is the third or fourth thread in which everybody is wrong and no one knows what they are talking about, except you.

The one thing they all have in common is you.

Maybe you need to do a better job of expressing yourself, if no one understands what you are trying to say, except for you.

I'm constantly amazed at how many people seem to "think" that trying to be insulting is some how a comment about the subject of the thread.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

This is the third or fourth thread in which everybody is wrong and no one knows what they are talking about, except you.

The one thing they all have in common is you.

Maybe you need to do a better job of expressing yourself, if no one understands what you are trying to say, except for you.

I'm constantly amazed at how many people seem to "think" that trying to be insulting is some how a comment about the subject of the thread.

When you refuse to participate in any discussion of your threads' subjects beyond whining "that isn't what I said, moron" in reply to every post you disagree with, what else is left for other posters to add?

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

This is the third or fourth thread in which everybody is wrong and no one knows what they are talking about, except you.

The one thing they all have in common is you.

Maybe you need to do a better job of expressing yourself, if no one understands what you are trying to say, except for you.

I'm constantly amazed at how many people seem to "think" that trying to be insulting is some how a comment about the subject of the thread.

When you refuse to participate in any discussion of your threads' subjects beyond whining "that isn't what I said, moron" in reply to every post you disagree with, what else is left for other posters to add?

Hi froogy, I see that you still haven't come up with anything to say that actually refers to the OP, come back when you can think of something.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
Friggin hell fire, how the hell does a thread on aggressive men, in an ADULT ONLY site get around to pedophilia?

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
So, I'm going to put this right out there Milesandsmiles, because to me you're coming over as a passive aggressive male, I'm an abuse victim, from the age of 8 years old. Do you think for one moment that I was listened to when I said no? Here's something else to consider; adults groom children to say yes, in the most evil and vile ways possible, but sometimes they do so in a way that the child is left as an adult believing that they were at fault because they willingly consented. Now, even if this is what you are driving at, you're making a really shit point in the whole 'no means no' debate, and then twisting it to say that in that case you're a pedophile apologist. Fuck right off with that nonsense!

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
At no point would my mind have even gone there with what Clover said. It actually speaks far more about you that you would.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
So, as the abuse victim, let me make this very clear to you- as adults, NO MEANS NO. if you can not understand that it's time to leave other people alone. Yes means yes, but it usually comes with boundaries and limits that should have been talked about to be respected. In essence a Yes also comes with a No attachment.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
Now do yourself a favour and drop the 'I didn't mean that' 'I didn't say that' and 'You don't understand what I'm saying' bullshit, because here's the thing on that, you're in charge of your keyboard. If people are not understanding you, damn well explain yourself so that they do. Stop blaming others for your ineptitude!

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Until you stop changing your mind what the point of the OP was every time somebody mentions it, that's asking for the moon on a stick.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
When I was raised men were to be the aggressor and women were to be passive.

The old “men chase and women choose” concept.

But now it seems that if the “chase” is more than a onetime offer of dinner, it is sexual harassment. (In the work place asking twice can legally be considered sexual harassment)

So I guess my question is; are men to stop being the aggressor, stop chasing and just let women chase and choose?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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That's it. I'm out.

Anybody trying to justify their actions, stomping their feet about what about the pedophiles??? When the flipping original post was about co-workers in the workplace. Somehow, that became what about the poorpedipholes???

Out of curiosity, how many of you folks really WORK with people under the age of consent?