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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
The UN has no power the US doesn't allow it to have. And all the US has...is money and a navy. The US has no moral ground whatsoever to stand on here and hasn't had since 1947.
So the UN has the power to veto the borders of your country, kick you out of that part and give the other side to others, to create their own new country ?
How's this ? It was the US that 'empowered' the UN to partition Palestine and take their land in the first place and only then to, whole cloth, out-of-thin-air, created a new state...Israel.
How would all you righteous righties here feel about say what one American offered ? Have the UN give the Jews Oregon ? Then along comes this insecure blathering fucking asshole to declare Portland...the capitol of Israel.
The area that was subdivided into what is now Israel and should have had a country for Palestinians, was the British Mandate in the middle east, which they got after the Ottoman Empire was defeated along with the other Central powers of Germany and the Austria-Hungary Empire.
In point of historic fact, the entire region, every country, was carved up from territory taken from the Ottoman Empire and placed under British and French mandate.
They then turned around and started drawing lines on a map with zero regard for long standing religious and cultural conflicts in the region, which resulted in warring Muslim sects being put in the same country.
Which of course justified the British and French keeping troops in the region 'to keep peace' but actually were there to keep the new leaders in line.
Of course, in the years preceeding ww2, the Jews living in the region that is referred to as Palestine began to get a bit testy. So, in the late 30's, the Irgun began terrorist actions against the British occupiers, and the Palestinians, who in turn were killing Jews and Brits.
And the British colonial forces in the region reacted as British colonial forces did at the time, they came down on everyone with an iron boot. Basically, British troops in Palestine were fighting the Germans, Jews and Palestinians.
And the country that requested the UN to act was not the United States, but Great Britain.
So the UN formed UNSCOP (United Nations Special Committee on Palestine) who went in, studied the history of the people, conflicts and such for about 20 minutes (might have been longer, who knows) but their plan was adopted by the UN and the result was the creation of the States of Israel and Palestine.
Now, typical of western led UN ideas, the people living in the region were none to happy, the Palestinians more than the Jews, and the Arab countries were royally pissed.
So, pretty much within 24 hours after the state of Israel was created, the first Arab-Israeli war started, and the US started shipping ww2 war surplus to the region. Of course, the shipment of arms into the region was frowned on by the UN, and the Soviets began shipping arms and equipment to the Arab countries (hey, why waste a good bush war?)
So, the US one upped the Soviets and helped arrange former military commanders to help the Israeli army with whatever was needed, strictly as advisors, although some took active command in the field.
Then the British got involved and started sending actual ammo for the home made sten guns the Irgun had been making for years, thus the Israelis no longer had to make bullet casings from lipstick tubes.
The Brits also sent tanks to supplement the surplus Shermans the US was sending, along with trucks, guns, artillery and everything else a new country could need.
And of course, the Israeli army had two choices, every Jew in the region being exterminated or win. They won.
And since, when the Arabs or Palestinians do something the US did not like, we either gave the Israeli's the equipment to blow the holy shit out of them or we did it ourselves, while at the same time, when the Israeli government did something in defiance of the UN resolution, they got a "Bad Israel, dont do that, now we have to wait six months before we can send you more military equipment."
And after 30 or so years of this nonsense, the Islamic extremists realized the only way they could isolate Israel was to hurt the US so bad we would get out. They tried, we didnt and we got 9/11 for our efforts.
But even though Congress passed a resolution way back in 95 supporting Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, no president was stupid enough to announce it publicly, and no congress was stupid enough to force the issue, simply because common sense said it would make the situation worse.
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