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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/28/2017 7:47:14 PM   
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you have absolutely no clue about fox news but if you want to keep looking foolish, please, keep up the inane declarations.




No. It is you, who have no clue about Fox News. You keep looking foolish, every time you comment on them.


good critique, just parrot back in reverse what i said to you.

sorry, I actually watch fox news and practically every single time one of you comrades comments on it, its something observationally wrong and not even close to being the truth.

its been 2-3 days now---has the blitz started yet? are we in the midst of it? is the blitz over? did we miss the blitz? oh no!



although, since youre apparently a more astute observer of fox than I am, i'll look forward to all the actual comments attacking Flynn from each of the few dozen shows they have. a "blitz" means you should have tons of material right?

otherwise, really, wise up.



You have to wait until we hear what Flynn says. As soon as that comes out, you will see the Fox machine in action.

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/28/2017 8:01:02 PM   
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You have to wait until we hear what Flynn says. As soon as that comes out, you will see the Fox machine in action.


Or, it will be yet another big fat nothingburger.


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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/28/2017 8:10:22 PM   
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I wouldn't presume to question your expertise in the field of things that are big and fat, but every time some asshole says 'oh look, nothing has happened yet', you're basically revealing to everyone that you think that FBI investigations that don't take less than a year to finish, it means they're useless and doomed.

Flynn is not nothing.
Manafort is not nothing.
Papadopolous is not nothing.

And it's safe to assume that Mueller isn't sharing everything he currently knows with the press, being an actual investigator and everything.

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/28/2017 8:30:15 PM   
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I wouldn't presume to question your expertise in the field of things that are big and fat, but every time some asshole says 'oh look, nothing has happened yet', you're basically revealing to everyone that you think that FBI investigations that don't take less than a year to finish, it means they're useless and doomed.
Flynn is not nothing.
Manafort is not nothing.
Papadopolous is not nothing.
And it's safe to assume that Mueller isn't sharing everything he currently knows with the press, being an actual investigator and everything.


Flynn may be nothing. You were right. We'll have to wait and see.
Manafort hasn't been anything, and I don't think he will be.
Papadopolous is nothing. He lied to the FBI. FFS, I think he was played by the Russians. I think he lied to the FBI about his dealings with Russians who weren't even what he thought they were.

If you were to read for comprehension, you'd see that my comment was an extension of MJ's comment. So, together we provided 2 sides of a story. Together, that would be:
    "We'll have to wait until we hear what Flynn says. As soon as that comes out,
      Option 1: It's damaging to Trump and "you will see the Fox machine in action." or
      Option 2: It's yet another nothingburger.


We won't know what option will be correct until ... wait for it ... we hear what Flynn has to say. I know this might be tough for you to follow, but trust me, it's step for step.

What's your infatuation (see what I did there) with my size/weight? I really don't get it. Are you that weak on debate/discussion skills that you have to resort to personal attacks? Seriously? It's incredibly immature. I'd expected better, but considering several posters here, I suppose I shouldn't.



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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/29/2017 1:36:34 AM   
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I wouldn't presume to question your expertise in the field of things that are big and fat, but every time some asshole says 'oh look, nothing has happened yet', you're basically revealing to everyone that you think that FBI investigations that don't take less than a year to finish, it means they're useless and doomed.
Flynn is not nothing.
Manafort is not nothing.
Papadopolous is not nothing.
And it's safe to assume that Mueller isn't sharing everything he currently knows with the press, being an actual investigator and everything.


Flynn may be nothing. You were right. We'll have to wait and see.
Manafort hasn't been anything, and I don't think he will be.
Papadopolous is nothing. He lied to the FBI. FFS, I think he was played by the Russians. I think he lied to the FBI about his dealings with Russians who weren't even what he thought they were.


Do you have actual reasons why you believe these things or do you just like to pretend that your assumptions aren't completely worthless?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If you were to read for comprehension, you'd see that my comment was an extension of MJ's comment. So, together we provided 2 sides of a story. Together, that would be:
    "We'll have to wait until we hear what Flynn says. As soon as that comes out,
      Option 1: It's damaging to Trump and "you will see the Fox machine in action." or
      Option 2: It's yet another nothingburger.



Yes, and you are wrong.

I am pretty sure that to qualify as a nothingburger, some part of this investigation would actually have to have turned out to be nothing.
What are the other nothingburgers?
Are you referring to your own worthless assumptions?

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We won't know what option will be correct until ... wait for it ... we hear what Flynn has to say. I know this might be tough for you to follow, but trust me, it's step for step.


LOL... if it's not tough for you to follow, then it won't be tough for most other people to follow, I promise.

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What's your infatuation (see what I did there) with my size/weight? I really don't get it. Are you that weak on debate/discussion skills that you have to resort to personal attacks? Seriously? It's incredibly immature. I'd expected better, but considering several posters here, I suppose I shouldn't.


No, see.. I don't point out your size/weight INSTEAD of answering your bullshit... I do it IN ADDITION to answering your bullshit.
If you follow closely, you will see that it doesn't actually affect the points I am trying to make.

It's not really an infatuation-- insulting your physical appearance adds some much-needed liveliness to an otherwise dry political discussion.

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/29/2017 1:56:13 AM   
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righttttttt....

given as ive explained numerous times, you know, from my position of cluelessness about fox, that fox news isn't a monolith, please explain how there could be such a thing as a "fox machine" and then provide the definitive evidence for it.

meanwhile, given that apparently you watch fox too (all day right?), you'll be the first person to know when the blitz begins right? i'll be sure to ask you.

speaking of which, we'd do well to define terms. exactly what will constitute the "blitz?"

hopefully you'll do better on that one than you will in answering (since you cannot) the question about the "fox machine"


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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/29/2017 9:16:49 AM   
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I wouldn't presume to question your expertise in the field of things that are big and fat, but every time some asshole says 'oh look, nothing has happened yet', you're basically revealing to everyone that you think that FBI investigations that don't take less than a year to finish, it means they're useless and doomed.
Flynn is not nothing.
Manafort is not nothing.
Papadopolous is not nothing.
And it's safe to assume that Mueller isn't sharing everything he currently knows with the press, being an actual investigator and everything.

Flynn may be nothing. You were right. We'll have to wait and see.
Manafort hasn't been anything, and I don't think he will be.
Papadopolous is nothing. He lied to the FBI. FFS, I think he was played by the Russians. I think he lied to the FBI about his dealings with Russians who weren't even what he thought they were.

Do you have actual reasons why you believe these things or do you just like to pretend that your assumptions aren't completely worthless?


Do you not pay any attention to the threads on here or the links posted in threads on here? Papadopolous was a rather large thread, and he's been shown to have been a low-level player that actually got nowhere. None of his claims of having contact with high level Russian government operatives has panned out. All he knows is what was told to him. I'm pretty sure that thread also showed that some of the stuff he believed were just untrue. In the end, there was no meeting between Trump or consequential Trump campaign staff with high level Russian government officials. Everything he was working to accomplish never happened.

Manafort's actions that he's under investigation for happened prior to his joining Trump's campaign team. Unless you're going to claim that he was working for Trump in the 10 years prior to joining the campaign to win the 2016 election, his actions aren't tied to Trump.'s campaign.

I've quoted MJ's OP link where people who have reviewed the documents have claimed there isn't anything in the documents Flynn can point to that implicate Trump.

All that sounds like my assumptions aren't completely worthless. I accept you will continue to think they are though.

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If you were to read for comprehension, you'd see that my comment was an extension of MJ's comment. So, together we provided 2 sides of a story. Together, that would be:
    "We'll have to wait until we hear what Flynn says. As soon as that comes out,
      Option 1: It's damaging to Trump and "you will see the Fox machine in action." or
      Option 2: It's yet another nothingburger.


Yes, and you are wrong.
I am pretty sure that to qualify as a nothingburger, some part of this investigation would actually have to have turned out to be nothing.
What are the other nothingburgers?
Are you referring to your own worthless assumptions?


How can you claim I am wrong? Do you have special knowledge that no one else has? Are you part of Mueller's investigative team? Since the investigation isn't over, how do you have any idea if I'm wrong? Just assumptions on your part.

How do you know your assumptions are worth more than mine?

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We won't know what option will be correct until ... wait for it ... we hear what Flynn has to say. I know this might be tough for you to follow, but trust me, it's step for step.

LOL... if it's not tough for you to follow, then it won't be tough for most other people to follow, I promise.


Your proclamations that I am wrong have already pointed out that even you can't follow that we have to wait until we hear what Flynn has to say.

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What's your infatuation (see what I did there) with my size/weight? I really don't get it. Are you that weak on debate/discussion skills that you have to resort to personal attacks? Seriously? It's incredibly immature. I'd expected better, but considering several posters here, I suppose I shouldn't.

No, see.. I don't point out your size/weight INSTEAD of answering your bullshit... I do it IN ADDITION to answering your bullshit.
If you follow closely, you will see that it doesn't actually affect the points I am trying to make.
It's not really an infatuation-- insulting your physical appearance adds some much-needed liveliness to an otherwise dry political discussion.


LMAO!! So, personal attacks are just "much-needed livelieness?!?" Thank you for showing yourself some more. I do appreciate that.


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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 6:05:27 AM   
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I've quoted MJ's OP link where people who have reviewed the documents have claimed there isn't anything in the documents Flynn can point to that implicate Trump.



You left out the part in the link that identifies those "people who have reviewed the documents" as Trump and Flynn attorneys.

Sort of an important detail. ;)

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 6:20:35 AM   
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I've quoted MJ's OP link where people who have reviewed the documents have claimed there isn't anything in the documents Flynn can point to that implicate Trump.

You left out the part in the link that identifies those "people who have reviewed the documents" as Trump and Flynn attorneys.
Sort of an important detail. ;)


Actually, if you look at Post 2, the section I quoted states
    quote:

    Defense lawyers have said privately that Flynn will be unable to point to White House or campaign records turned over in the probe to bolster any claims of a criminal scheme. None of those records suggest a conspiracy by Trump or his inner circle to improperly work with Russians to defeat Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, according to people who have reviewed the documents.
    [Italics mine]


There are 2 sentences, and those are the only two sentences in that paragraph. You are making an assumption (to which you may be right, or you may be wrong) that "the people" who have reviewed the documents are Trump and/or Flynn Attorneys. It's not explicitly stated. Since the first sentence mentions "Defense lawyers" and the second sentence mentions "people," it's just as easy to assume the two groups aren't the same.

I didn't hide anything when I quoted the material I quoted. I included the entire paragraph because I thought the context would matter. And, my claim stands as correct, as I definitely did quote your OP link. Hell, I could have put quotation marks around the "people who have reviewed the documents" phrase and it would have been just as accurate.

Do you have proof the two groups in that paragraph ARE one and the same?

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 9:14:48 AM   
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Do you not pay any attention to the threads on here or the links posted in threads on here? Papadopolous was a rather large thread, and he's been shown to have been a low-level player that actually got nowhere. None of his claims of having contact with high level Russian government operatives has panned out. All he knows is what was told to him. I'm pretty sure that thread also showed that some of the stuff he believed were just untrue. In the end, there was no meeting between Trump or consequential Trump campaign staff with high level Russian government officials. Everything he was working to accomplish never happened.


The NY times has a piece out today about Pappad....

WASHINGTON — During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.
About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.
Exactly how much Mr. Papadopoulos said that night at the Kensington Wine Rooms with the Australian, Alexander Downer, is unclear. But two months later,  when leaked Democratic emails began appearing online, Australian officials passed the information about Mr. Papadopoulos to their American counterparts, according to four current and former American and foreign officials with direct knowledge of the Australians’ role.

The hacking and the revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about it were driving factors that led the F.B.I. to open an investigation in July 2016 into Russia’s attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of President Trump’s associates conspired.

If Mr. Papadopoulos, who  pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I.  and is now a cooperating witness, was the improbable match that set off a blaze that has consumed the first year of the Trump administration, his saga is also a tale of the Trump campaign in miniature. He was brash, boastful and underqualified, yet he exceeded expectations. And, like the campaign itself, he proved to be a tantalizing target for a Russian influence operation.

Some of Mr. Trump’s advisers have derided him an insignificant campaign volunteer or a “coffee boy,” interviews and new documents show that he stayed influential throughout the campaign.
Two months before the election, for instance, he helped arrange a New York meeting between Mr. Trump and President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt.
The information that Mr. Papadopoulos gave to the Australians answers one of the lingering mysteries of the past year: What so alarmed American officials to provoke the F.B.I. to  open a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign months before the presidential election?

It was not, as Mr. Trump and other politicians have alleged, a dossier compiled by a former British spy hired by a rival campaign. Instead, it was firsthand information from one of America’s closest intelligence allies.
Interviews and previously undisclosed documents show that Mr. Papadopoulos played a critical role in this drama and reveal a Russian operation that was more aggressive and widespread than previously known.

They add to an emerging portrait, gradually filled in over the past year in revelations by federal investigators, journalists and lawmakers, of Russians with government contacts trying to establish secret channels at various levels of the Trump campaign.

The F.B.I. investigation, which  was taken over  seven months ago by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has cast a shadow over Mr. Trump’s first year in office — even as he and his aides repeatedly played down the Russian efforts and falsely denied campaign contacts with Russians.

They have also insisted that Mr. Papadopoulos was a low-level figure. But spies frequently target peripheral players as a way to gain insight and leverage.
F.B.I. officials disagreed in 2016 about how aggressively and publicly to pursue the Russia inquiry before the election. But there was little debate about what seemed to be afoot. John O. Brennan, who retired this year after four years as C.I.A. director,  told Congress in May  that he had been concerned about multiple contacts between Russian officials and Trump advisers.
Russia, he said, had tried to “suborn” members of the Trump campaign.

‘The Signal to Meet’
Mr. Papadopoulos, then an ambitious 28-year-old from Chicago, was working as an energy consultant in London when the Trump campaign,  desperate to create a foreign policy team, named him as an adviser in early March 2016. His political experience was limited to two months on Ben Carson’s presidential campaign before it collapsed.

Mr. Papadopoulos had no experience on Russia issues. But during his job interview with Sam Clovis, a top early campaign aide, he saw an opening. He was told that improving relations with Russia was one of Mr. Trump’s top foreign policy goals, according to court papers, an account Mr. Clovis has denied.
Traveling in Italy that March, Mr. Papadopoulos met Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor at a now-defunct London academy who had valuable contacts with the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Mr. Mifsud showed little interest in Mr. Papadopoulos at first.

But when he found out he was a Trump campaign adviser, he latched onto him, according to court records and emails obtained by The New York Times. Their joint goal was to arrange a meeting between Mr. Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Moscow, or between their respective aides.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 9:27:40 AM   
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F.B.I. officials disagreed in 2016 about how aggressively and publicly to pursue the Russia inquiry before the election. But there was little debate about what seemed to be afoot. John O. Brennan, who retired this year after four years as C.I.A. director,  told Congress in May  that he had been concerned about multiple contacts between Russian officials and Trump advisers.



Obama loyalist Brennan drove FBI to begin investigating Trump associates last summer

Shocking

Obama's people used the power of the government to "investigate" and undermine their political adversaries

What else is "news"

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 9:49:54 AM   
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come up to date with a better link than the WT
LMFAO
No wonder you are so sensationalist...




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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 10:06:38 AM   
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The NY times has a piece out today about Pappad....

WASHINGTON — During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.
About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.


The professor (Mifsud) and the female (Maryann?) with ties to "high level Russian government officials" told him the Russians had shloads of emails. That was mid-April. Wikileaks opened their searchable archive in March 2016.

Did anything pan out regarding the female's allegedly being related to Putin? How about the "man connected to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs?"

IF Mifsud, the female, and the male, had thousands of stolen emails, how was it that Papadopolous didn't get them and couldn't arrange a meeting with Trump and/or High Level Trump Advisors with the 3 (or with high level Russian Government officials)? A couple months later, WikiLeaks starts leaking hacked DNC emails. How's that for a staffer that wasn't a nothing?



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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 10:12:02 AM   
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different set of emails

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 10:12:59 AM   
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different set of emails


The DNC hack dump of July 2016 wasn't the set referred to by Mifsud? Which set then?


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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 11:40:56 AM   
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righttttttt....

given as ive explained numerous times, you know, from my position of cluelessness about fox, that fox news isn't a monolith, please explain how there could be such a thing as a "fox machine" and then provide the definitive evidence for it.

meanwhile, given that apparently you watch fox too (all day right?), you'll be the first person to know when the blitz begins right? i'll be sure to ask you.

speaking of which, we'd do well to define terms. exactly what will constitute the "blitz?"

hopefully you'll do better on that one than you will in answering (since you cannot) the question about the "fox machine"





As for the fox machine... It is well documented, and quite obvious and apparent for all to see the coordination with the RNC, Republican White House, and Fox. The talking points coming from Roger Ailes (later Bill Shine, now Jay Wallace) down to Fox & Friends, Martha MacCallum, Gretchen Carlson, Megyn Kelly, through O'Reilly and Hannity, and now we can add Jesse Waters in The Five. The EXACT same talking points, verbatim (like it was monolithic or something... gee). There have been dozens of video mashups on it. (Yes I know, you can't watch video).

Yes... I know it is not definitive proof. We will have that when someone decides to say "f**k it" and break the NDA. Only the most sycophantic viewers fail to realize this. I think the most likely, would be Gretchen Carlson. It was so sad, seeing a Stanford educated woman having to dumb down for the Fox audience for all those years. I am happy for her now that she is free.



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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 11:52:31 AM   
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come up to date with a better link than the WT
LMFAO
No wonder you are so sensationalist...





While you link to the Slimes and their unnamed anonymous liars

Are you really seriously in denial that Brennan is an Obama / Leftist lowlife hack

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 11:56:22 AM   
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come up to date with a better link than the WT
LMFAO
No wonder you are so sensationalist...





While you link to the Slimes and their unnamed anonymous liars

Are you really seriously in denial that Brennan is an Obama / Leftist lowlife hack



So the endless flurry of Right Wing opinion pieces you link to, are fact.
And of course "xxxx is a leftist, and encouraged Mueller, or is on Mueller's team, therefore the whole investigation is a hoax"

But well-sourced journalism is a lie, because the sources are unnamed.


Got it.

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 1:05:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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come up to date with a better link than the WT
LMFAO
No wonder you are so sensationalist...





While you link to the Slimes and their unnamed anonymous liars

Are you really seriously in denial that Brennan is an Obama / Leftist lowlife hack



So the endless flurry of Right Wing opinion pieces you link to, are fact.
And of course "xxxx is a leftist, and encouraged Mueller, or is on Mueller's team, therefore the whole investigation is a hoax"

But well-sourced journalism is a lie, because the sources are unnamed.


Got it.


You are a moron

My point is that the crazy lucy's go-to source regarding leftist Russia hysteria howling, is John Brennan - is the same Obama operative who took the lead role in pushing the Russia hoax from the very beginning

Sad how such as simple point, and an indisputable fact, flies so far over your head

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RE: Getting ready to attack Flynn - 12/30/2017 1:39:15 PM   
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: MasterJaguar01

And of course "xxxx is a leftist, and encouraged Mueller, or is on Mueller's team, therefore the whole investigation is a hoax"

Got it.


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: BoscoX

My point is that the crazy lucy's go-to source regarding leftist Russia hysteria howling, is John Brennan - is the same Obama operative who took the lead role in pushing the Russia hoax from the very beginning

Sad how such as simple point, and an indisputable fact, flies so far over your head



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