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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Good point about the CIA thing, I was forgetting they get most of their money from the drugs trade. I'm astonished that the DUI laws in the states don't apply to anything besides alcohol, though.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
You do know that pot is supposed to be brilliant for treating arthritis, I hope? There was a story over here a few years back about some old dear who'd found that skunk was a lot more help with her knees and fingers than her medication, and was arrested for growing the stuff for the rest of her knitting circle. It's an excellent muscle relaxant, but an unpatented one, which seems to be the main stumbling block for most of the medical research that's been done.

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• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Desi,
Edibles are actually easier on the system than smoking anyway. And anyone interested in the medical benefits of marijuana needs to do their homework before making a purchase, just like with any medication.
For me, that's the best part. I can look online and find the perfect strains for the problems I have, and find out about the potential side-effects of them. Florida still doesn't quite have it's shit together concerning medical marijuana; our legislators are assholes.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I don’t think you get it.... If my view matches the law of the land I do have power over you if you decide to break that law and I witness it. If you decide to drink yourself into oblivion and get in your vehicle and drive I will report you to the police... You will then abide by the law or spend your time in jail. This discussion is silly as societies wishes always govern the individual. No society can exist with total freedom of choice. The good societies provide a way for the majority’s wishes to make or change laws but they can not exist without them. Soon smoking pot will most likely be legal and the law of the law land... Then I would not have the right to stop you from using pot..Until then, at least in my state, don’t let me catch you... it will cost you money.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

FR

I'm in favor of the legalization (and taxation) of marijuana. But I think that unless and until research proves otherwise, secondhand smoke should be treated the same as secondhand cigarette smoke.

Legalization leads to regulation, quality control, and a better informed consumer.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.

Butch

Pot is no more a gateway drug than nicotine. As long as the law creates a black market, then the dealer is the gateway.

Put pot on the retail shelf, then it's less than a class III drug like codeine. OTC. No gateway.

On the basis of your arguments here, the govt. should class all opioids (class II) now addicting the nation as class I. In fact, they are much worse long term due to their powrful addictive nature.

Seems the early propaganda has worked on you. The corporate world wanted to ban hemp. They couldn't on industrial grounds.

So that because hemp blossoms into a leaf, and smoked caused a high, that corporate world went after it tooth and nail and lied to govt. about it and thus...hemp was banned.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Sounds quite Old Testament, there

You have no problem using the old testament when it comes to cakes and homo's.
I would pick something like week 14 and below... I would not think it reasonable for anything much later than that unless there is a medical reason for a late abortion... but again it is a man's opinion...and way off subject.
Butch

The only usage of the OT is to point out that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes (and I've also posted quite a few NT passages that corroborate that idea).

You can't stop with the "Gotcha!" attempts, can you? You completely mischaracterized my posts regarding homosexuality and the Bible, and were waaay the fuck off, regarding my beliefs about when "Life" begins.

You're going to have to step up your game if you think you're going to catch me in a "Gotcha!" situation. Your current level is almost embarrassingly poor.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

You do know that pot is supposed to be brilliant for treating arthritis, I hope? There was a story over here a few years back about some old dear who'd found that skunk was a lot more help with her knees and fingers than her medication, and was arrested for growing the stuff for the rest of her knitting circle. It's an excellent muscle relaxant, but an unpatented one, which seems to be the main stumbling block for most of the medical research that's been done.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Good point about the CIA thing, I was forgetting they get most of their money from the drugs trade. I'm astonished that the DUI laws in the states don't apply to anything besides alcohol, though.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Good point about the CIA thing, I was forgetting they get most of their money from the drugs trade. I'm astonished that the DUI laws in the states don't apply to anything besides alcohol, though.

That's not accurate. Any controlled substance can count for a DUI, if it impairs normal function.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I don’t think you get it.... If my view matches the law of the land I do have power over you if you decide to break that law and I witness it. If you decide to drink yourself into oblivion and get in your vehicle and drive I will report you to the police... You will then abide by the law or spend your time in jail. This discussion is silly as societies wishes always govern the individual. No society can exist with total freedom of choice. The good societies provide a way for the majority’s wishes to make or change laws but they can not exist without them. Soon smoking pot will most likely be legal and the law of the law land... Then I would not have the right to stop you from using pot..Until then, at least in my state, don’t let me catch you... it will cost you money.

Butch

asshole talk like that is inspirational to put your ignorant pearly white life under a microscope where I assure you that you would rot in prison for the rest of your life. Oh Im sorry dont let me interrupt your prayers to your law god judge dredd, oh great legal avenger.


But the rule that ignorance is no excuse does not work as well for crimes that are not inherently wrong. Today, there are thousands of crimes that are crimes only because they are prohibited by statute. For these types of crimes—known as “wrongs by prohibition,” or malum prohibitum[2]—the principle that ignorance of the law is no excuse works only when a person knows what the statute requires or, at a minimum, could have discovered what the statute requires with a reasonable amount of effort.

Therein lies the problem. The criminal laws are not always easy to track down and not always easy to understand. In fact, many laws are nearly impossible to understand in all of their complexity, and the whole corpus of federal law is in fact impossible to know. There are so many crimes in the federal law books that no conscientious citizen (or even a conscientious legislator, law enforcement officer, lawyer, or judge) could possibly know what they require. This puts Americans at risk of conviction and imprisonment for the violation of laws that are impossible to find and impossible to know, effectively discarding the traditional protection that conviction requires culpability.

http://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/report/ignorance-the-law-no-excuse-it-reality

I assure you dredd, that you are committing at this very moment no less than 6 crimes you are not even aware exist. grow up

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Desi,

Edibles are actually easier on the system than smoking anyway. And anyone interested in the medical benefits of marijuana needs to do their homework before making a purchase, just like with any medication.

For me, that's the best part. I can look online and find the perfect strains for the problems I have, and find out about the potential side-effects of them. Florida still doesn't quite have it's shit together concerning medical marijuana; our legislators are assholes.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Hemp is the fibers from the stems. The leaves and buds were waste products from rope production. Hemp wasn't commonly grown in the U.S. until WWI and issues with rope supplies coming from South America and Asian countries.

The buds and leaves were burned as waste and some found that some varieties of hemp plants had an intoxicant and hallucinogen effect. By the 1930s cannabis was a poor man's high whose street name was "muggles". "Huffin' Muggles" was even a popular jazz tune.

This was the heyday of the prohibition movement. ANYthing that could get you high was on a hit list with the Christian Temperance Movement.

There was a HUGE push on the west coast and in New England to do something about the opium problem. But, midwestern and southern states resisted making drugs a federal issue as it was considered a regional problem. But, the gulf coast states had an issue of their own. Booze was banned and muggles along with cocaine became the recreational high of choice. The church ladies were horrified.

The deal was cut to pass federal laws banning the opium trade along with criminalizing cocaine and marijuana which had never been an issue before.

What I find really ironic is that the huge push to make drugs a federal crime came on the heels of the repeal of alcohol prohibition just as all the federal officers hired to enforce alcohol prohibition were looking at massive layoffs.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Desi,

Edibles are actually easier on the system than smoking anyway. And anyone interested in the medical benefits of marijuana needs to do their homework before making a purchase, just like with any medication.

For me, that's the best part. I can look online and find the perfect strains for the problems I have, and find out about the potential side-effects of them. Florida still doesn't quite have it's shit together concerning medical marijuana; our legislators are assholes.

I am in the process of moving to D.C. in the next 4-6 months.
Since it has been legalized in D.C., I may need some advice on the edibles.


I actually agree with K.C. on some issues, pot is often THE gateway drug----> for other drugs.
I have a family member dealing with marijuana psychosis and it is NO joke.
I smoked pot back in the day, and I know it held me back in many areas.
I also indulged in More than pot, back in the day, and some can walk away, and some people ended up in cemeteries.
I am not even going into details here, but as a person who played with fire years ago, I know for a fact POT is a gateway drug for many people.

I don't know of many situations {and I study this a fair amount/and watch Intervention},in which people go straight to harder substances.
Very few people start with: Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, Ecstasy, OxyContin, etc.

POT IS A KNOWN gateway drug.

Rehab-international- Pot is a gateway drug
KC I am sorry to hear about your daughter, and those that say pot is NOT a gateway drug are ignorant or lying.
It is one thing for those of us over 50 to dabble a bit, and for younger impressionable people to dabble a bit.


Everyone can NOT handle smoking pot, and those with underlying mental health issues, often do not need to smoke it.
It is a damn slippery slope for many, many people.

But those of us, over a certain age, that live somewhere that it is legal.
Might need just a little bit now and then, to help with medical issues.
JVoV I am serious about the advice, I will need it soon.
I don't want to smoke it, but I think a brownie make be okay.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Good point about the CIA thing, I was forgetting they get most of their money from the drugs trade. I'm astonished that the DUI laws in the states don't apply to anything besides alcohol, though.

That's not accurate. Any controlled substance can count for a DUI, if it impairs normal function.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Desi,

Edibles are actually easier on the system than smoking anyway. And anyone interested in the medical benefits of marijuana needs to do their homework before making a purchase, just like with any medication.

For me, that's the best part. I can look online and find the perfect strains for the problems I have, and find out about the potential side-effects of them. Florida still doesn't quite have it's shit together concerning medical marijuana; our legislators are assholes.