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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 2:21:21 PM   
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Yep... God killed a brother who jacked off rather than impregnate his dead brothers wife. In so many words if my memory is correct.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 2:33:46 PM   
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Yep... God killed a brother who jacked off rather than impregnate his dead brothers wife. In so many words if my memory is correct.
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Sounds quite Old Testament, there.

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I see... you think potential life is the same as a fully formed life... is this right?
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The huge range encompassed by the phrase "potential life" makes your question rather ridiculous. To say ejaculate is the same as a fetus at 7 months gestation is stupid, even though both can be determined to be "potential life" and not "fully formed life."

In case you forgot, the last time there was a long thread about fetal human rights, the two doing most of the arguing were Bounty and me. Bounty tended to espouse the idea that life beings as conception. I disagreed with that and made the claim that I don't know when a fetus "should" gain human rights. It could be 24 weeks (isn't that where Roe v. Wade put the cutoff?), though that would mean a later-term abortion due to the mother's health would be murder, which I can't get behind.

To be completely honest, I believe the Catholic ban on contraception had more to do with the church wanting to increase it's congregation and less to do with spiritual purity. But, that's my belief and I'm not going to force anyone who disagrees to change their mind about it.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 2:47:41 PM   
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Sounds quite Old Testament, there


You have no problem using the old testament when it comes to cakes and homo's.

I would pick something like week 14 and below... I would not think it reasonable for anything much later than that unless there is a medical reason for a late abortion... but again it is a man's opinion...and way off subject.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 2:56:39 PM   
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Sounds quite Old Testament, there

You have no problem using the old testament when it comes to cakes and homo's.
I would pick something like week 14 and below... I would not think it reasonable for anything much later than that unless there is a medical reason for a late abortion... but again it is a man's opinion...and way off subject.
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The only usage of the OT is to point out that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes (and I've also posted quite a few NT passages that corroborate that idea).

You can't stop with the "Gotcha!" attempts, can you? You completely mischaracterized my posts regarding homosexuality and the Bible, and were waaay the fuck off, regarding my beliefs about when "Life" begins.

You're going to have to step up your game if you think you're going to catch me in a "Gotcha!" situation. Your current level is almost embarrassingly poor.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:03:23 PM   
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And so yet another thread gets dragged into bullshit arguments against birth control.


Not bullshit at all. That is the main argument against abortion.

And, it's Lucy's snarky comment that introduced the abortion idea into this thread.




he changed his post.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:03:58 PM   
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I will not stop pointing out hypocrisy when I see it... especially when it comes to human rights... of all kinds. I find it revealing when you and others decide to pick certain parts of the religious texts to support your views then ignore others to suite your discrimination. It is my opinion to be sure but it sure looks that way to me.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:08:34 PM   
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And so yet another thread gets dragged into bullshit arguments against birth control.

Not bullshit at all. That is the main argument against abortion.
And, it's Lucy's snarky comment that introduced the abortion idea into this thread.

he changed his post.


Michael changed his post? The only part you quoted is still in there.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:13:09 PM   
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ooops
so it is....so no, i made a mistake.

i removed context, because the point being, that its true.
you think you can dictate women as not worthy of choice.
and that stands.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:14:17 PM   
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Oh..... and as applies to this thread... remember what the Bible says about defiling the body...oops there you go picking and choosing again... you are surely going to hell now...May as well have another toke.

Now tell me you don't see the hypocrisy?

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:15:59 PM   
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I will not stop pointing out hypocrisy when I see it... especially when it comes to human rights... of all kinds. I find it revealing when you and others decide to pick certain parts of the religious texts to support your views then ignore others to suite your discrimination. It is my opinion to be sure but it sure looks that way to me.
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You need to think harder then. I'm not hypocritical at all regarding how i've used the OT and NT regarding the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. I've used them to show that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes. That I disagree that homosexual should be stoned to death isn't hypocritical, either, as I'm neither Jewish nor Islamic, and there is a new Covenant ushered in by Christ.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:19:46 PM   
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I will not stop pointing out hypocrisy when I see it... especially when it comes to human rights... of all kinds. I find it revealing when you and others decide to pick certain parts of the religious texts to support your views then ignore others to suite your discrimination. It is my opinion to be sure but it sure looks that way to me.
Butch


You need to think harder then. I'm not hypocritical at all regarding how i've used the OT and NT regarding the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. I've used them to show that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes. That I disagree that homosexual should be stoned to death isn't hypocritical, either, as I'm neither Jewish nor Islamic, and there is a new Covenant ushered in by Christ.



All references to homosexuality refer back to the old testament and the penalty is spelled out very clearly... The same for jacking off...death death. You are picking and choosing.. If you can do that then you can do the right thing and support homosexuality and denounce the old testament for what it is... discriminatory trash.

The same goes for putting drugs into your body thereby defiling it a sin in the Bible... hypocrite

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:20:13 PM   
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ooops
so it is....so no, i made a mistake.
i removed context, because the point being, that its true.
you think you can dictate women as not worthy of choice.
and that stands.


Another straw woman there, Lucy. The most fundamental difference between those who support women being allowed to get abortions and those who oppose abortions comes down to when your freedom to do with your body as you please interferes with another's rights. I've already been on record A LOT here saying that I believe abortion to be wrong, but that I have no right to force my beliefs onto anyone else. That is, I'm not going to stop you from getting one, if you so choose.

How you get the idea that I think women aren't worthy of having the choice or that I'm dictating anything, I don't know.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:23:06 PM   
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Oh..... and as applies to this thread... remember what the Bible says about defiling the body...oops there you go picking and choosing again... you are surely going to hell now...May as well have another toke.
Now tell me you don't see the hypocrisy?
Butch


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I will not stop pointing out hypocrisy when I see it... especially when it comes to human rights... of all kinds. I find it revealing when you and others decide to pick certain parts of the religious texts to support your views then ignore others to suite your discrimination. It is my opinion to be sure but it sure looks that way to me.
Butch

You need to think harder then. I'm not hypocritical at all regarding how i've used the OT and NT regarding the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. I've used them to show that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes. That I disagree that homosexual should be stoned to death isn't hypocritical, either, as I'm neither Jewish nor Islamic, and there is a new Covenant ushered in by Christ.

All references to homosexuality refer back to the old testament and the penalty is spelled out very clearly... The same for jacking off...death death. You are picking and choosing.. If you can do that then you can do the right thing and support homosexuality and denounce the old testament for what it is discriminatory trash.
Butch


What does the Bible say about defiling one's body? Feel free to post the scriptures to back up whatever point you're attempting to make. Same goes for the death penalty for jacking off.

Feel free to demonstrate the NT referring back to the OT and the penalty.




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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:24:31 PM   
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CLOSE enough for me.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:25:11 PM   
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To be honest, I don't know enough to form an educated opinion.

I will tell you that from personal experience I'd like to think yet unbiased, the only time smoking was better than say a pill or oil, (concentrates) was in the speed and efficiency with which it took away migraines and back pain.

That's all I know but not only is research speeding up on concentrates effects, dosage etc. but also their wider use.


That's kind of why I asked.

Everything I've read/been told by people in the know is that taking a THC pill is as good as (or better) than smoking weed.

I agree that there's probably not much physical addiction to smoking marijuana, but I believe that an addict can get hooked on just about anything that has some kind of "mind altering" affect.

Don't believe me? Try to take my Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi© away from me!

So, using the (less?) non-mind-altering form of THC would seem to be a simple solution to me.





Dr. Pepper for me and yep...full of sugar. There are those that will tell you with extreme confidence, concentrates will outsell he leaf.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:29:53 PM   
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CLOSE enough for me.
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Of course it is. Easy way to get out of proving yourself wrong, too.




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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:34:03 PM   
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Also at the end you make the statement; WORLD HUNGER COULD END and as far as I know it isn't a food source and I didn't see, in your post, how ending world hunger was going to happen.


I agree that the "world hunger could end" thing is a bit of overblown melodrama.

But in any case, -as a food source- hulled hemp seeds, hemp protein powder, nutritional hemp oil, etc. have been legally sold and bought for years, even through all-out Federal warfare on the leaves. Same with hemp clothing. All that provided by hemp being a staple product of many societies over millennia.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:43:41 PM   
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That’s right you do not have the legal right to put anything you want in your body. It is just a rule of law and a fact of life. But the laws can and will be changed to accommodate the wishes of the people and in the case of pot the people want it legalized.

Butch

Actually, we do. You do understand that by virtue of govt. having only certain rights vested in its power given by our national and respective state constitutions, are without that power to even have something called a Controlled Substances Act.

However, because certain substances that can kill or maim on contact and without much further exposure, cause serious bodily harm, the courts have found that in certain circumstances, the state has a 'compelling' interest to control it.

Hemp doesn't come close to falling within that 'compelling interest.' In fact, the opposite has now been proven and the courts will soon enough...come around.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 3:55:06 PM   
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ooops
so it is....so no, i made a mistake.
i removed context, because the point being, that its true.
you think you can dictate women as not worthy of choice.
and that stands.


Another straw woman there, Lucy. The most fundamental difference between those who support women being allowed to get abortions and those who oppose abortions comes down to when your freedom to do with your body as you please interferes with another's rights. I've already been on record A LOT here saying that I believe abortion to be wrong, but that I have no right to force my beliefs onto anyone else. That is, I'm not going to stop you from getting one, if you so choose.

How you get the idea that I think women aren't worthy of having the choice or that I'm dictating anything, I don't know.


I wasnt talking to you. its simple, that it appears I was talking to you, is a mistake of typing from my bed.
Maybe this makes more sense?

Society, think they can dictate women as not worthy of such choice
And that means Birth Control AS WELL as abortion
No matter how much people HATE abortion discussions.
In both this thread AND the religious liberty /cake thread, BOTH involve liberties for women, via birthcontrol, and via forced birthers.
Human rights, civil rights, every right affects women and their children. both in utero and out.
And just as a matter of interest, I dont like abortion either, i have never had one. My choice shouldnt be forced on others.
I had a choice.
Taking away that choice for others is the problem.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/2/2018 4:13:32 PM   
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Hemp, traditionally, has a significantly lower level of THC and a higher level of cannabidiol (CBD) that actually inhibits the psychoactive effects. Marijuana, on the other hand, contains much higher levels of THC and keeps the psychoactive effects.

Marijuana has psychoactive effects. Hemp, for the most part, does not.


Amen, brother.

In the early '70s, we kids went driving in the country in IL and saw a plant near the roadside, thought we hit the jackpot. It was a hemp farm out of season (except for this one plant which the harvester missed) but we didn't know any of that. We didn't know that the 'evil weed' was also used for making ropes for centuries.

I wish we had known that.

We took the ~ one ounce of leaves to my cousin's house and baked the wet stuff for two hours at 200 F, then smoked it.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Could have gotten the same ill affect we got there from lawn grass, which one of us pointed out in just that way. It was definitely hemp, though.

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If it were legal in Ohio, I still would not smoke pot.


This is what people don't get. What little correlation to be had at all re legality and usage actually indicates greater abuse and societal harm as result of outlawing. 95% who don't do crack or cocaine, much less marijuana, don't abstain because the law prohibits it, but because they just don't want it. Some might have tried it, others not, but no 'usual people' carry it on after the experimental stage.

I sometimes wonder if there would be such a thing as "the mafia" at all had it not been for prohibition to give them such a phenomenal boost.







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