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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Entering the US illegally is a crime punishable by no more than 6 months in prison however the vast majority of undocumented workers in this country are here as a result of overstaying visas which is not a crime, but rather a civil offense. Unlawful presence does not make one a criminal.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

Once the immigration rules are enforced to the letter, I'm looking at having to move back to either somewhere just south of Leeds (UK) or somewhere in County Limerick (Ireland), how 'bout you?

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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Ask Iraq or Afghanistan what "invading a country" actually means in today's world.

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk
circular argument, nope. And thats one parent what about the other? But the law was, as long as your nose is clean, you can stay. (sort of like the takeback coming on taxes) it sunsets, and if congress doesnt do anything.......

Then why did it have to be renewed every 18 months? You do know what TPS stands for, right?

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

As it stands now, a TPS holder who would like to apply for a green card (also known as legal permanent resident status) must have a basis to adjust. This means that someone cannot apply for a green card simply because they have been granted TPS. But for those who have U.S. citizen family members, or those who have a job willing to sponsor them, or another humanitarian ground, you may be eligible to apply for adjustment, at least without any problems such as false claims of citizenship, certain criminal convictions, or other grounds for inadmissibility or removal.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Entering the US illegally is a crime punishable by no more than 6 months in prison however the vast majority of undocumented workers in this country are here as a result of overstaying visas which is not a crime, but rather a civil offense. Unlawful presence does not make one a criminal.

Yes, I've seen this "It's not a crime" argument and I agree, but only to the extent that it is not a criminal act, but an invasion of our sovereign soil.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Are you in favor of temporary meaning temporary?

I am in favor of productive and contributing members of society being accommodated in that endeavor.
All this hoo-hah about legalization, "temporary status," etc. is meaningless as far as what is good for economy and country.
Consider the legal temporary status of politicians, in that capacity, vs. temporary status of immigrants in their contribution. Who does more harm vs. more good in the USA?
That's what I go by, if I care anything about my country.

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk
circular argument, nope. And thats one parent what about the other? But the law was, as long as your nose is clean, you can stay. (sort of like the takeback coming on taxes) it sunsets, and if congress doesnt do anything.......

Then why did it have to be renewed every 18 months? You do know what TPS stands for, right?

Why did it have to be renewed every 18 months? Where is that law? You know what renewed stands for right?

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How long will the TPS designation last?
TPS designation will last for 18 months. The Attorney General designated El Salvador
for TPS benefits for a period of 18 months, the maximum period of time permissible
under the law. At the end of this initial designation, the Attorney General will review
conditions in El Salvador and, if the conditions for such designation continue to be met,
TPS benefits will be extended for an additional period of time.

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As part of the Administration’s ongoing efforts to assist El
Salvador in recovering from the devastating earthquakes that affected the nation, the
Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (BCIS) announced today an extension of
Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for El Salvador for a period of 18-months until March
9, 2005. This TPS extension, which covers approximately 290,000 Salvadoran
registrants, is effective September 9, 2003 and will remain in effect until March 9, 2005.
Salvadorans who have been granted TPS must re-register during the re-registration
period. The re-registration period begins July 16, 2003 and will remain in effect until
September 15, 2003.

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I am 99.9% positive that the U.S. does allow dual citizenship. In fact, I almost never gamble, but I'd bet a whole $1 that I am correct. But it is a bit complicated:

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Actually, lucy, there are ways to citizenship for TIP residents, especially if they had children born in the US.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
For some reason many Americans think its easy peasy for an immigrant to get citizenship.. it isnt.. for many, there is no legal way to do it (unless you have a spare $1,000,000 to throw into Jared's money-for-visas/citizenship real estate projects)..

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Actually, lucy, there are ways to citizenship for TIP residents, especially if they had children born in the US.

American born children must be at least 21 years old & I expect they must show they have the financial ability to support/sponsor their parents.. that means that those born in 2001 & later arent old enough to do so.. so these people are now fucked as that way wont work..

For some reason many Americans think its easy peasy for an immigrant to get citizenship.. it isnt.. for many, there is no legal way to do it (unless you have a spare $1,000,000 to throw into Jared's money-for-visas/citizenship real estate projects)..

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Actually, lucy, there are ways to citizenship for TIP residents, especially if they had children born in the US.

American born children must be at least 21 years old & I expect they must show they have the financial ability to support/sponsor their parents.. that means that those born in 2001 & later arent old enough to do so.. so these people are now fucked as that way wont work..

For some reason many Americans think its easy peasy for an immigrant to get citizenship.. it isnt.. for many, there is no legal way to do it (unless you have a spare $1,000,000 to throw into Jared's money-for-visas/citizenship real estate projects)..

Actually, the parent can get a green card and stay legally if the child is a minor, you know that nice little part of the constitution that does not allow for a US citizen to be exiled?

Thats why there was the big fucking fuss about 'anchor babies.'

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

For those who don't think that immigrants with citizen children don't get deported... this guy was married to an American, and had 5 children here, owned his own home, business, paid taxes, and no criminal record. But he was deported anyway.
http://www.theothersideofimmigration.com/more-films.html

It's the first video listed on the page.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

This case had nothing to do with divorce or custody. Did you even watch it?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Then, as I said: he's male. That's an uphill battle for an argument; not because there was divorce, necessarily, but because men, in general, aren't viewed as having the same parental instincts as women. Therefore, a male, wanting to stay for the sake of their children, doesn't present as sympathetic a character.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

For those who don't think that immigrants with citizen children don't get deported... this guy was married to an American, and had 5 children here, owned his own home, business, paid taxes, and no criminal record. But he was deported anyway.
http://www.theothersideofimmigration.com/more-films.html

It's the first video listed on the page.

Hardly surprising, considering the fact that males have next-to no rights, where child custody is involved.

Let's look at this:

Marrying an American citizen does NOT guarantee you citizenship; nor "permanent" status (I think the exception being the "K-1" visa, but they might have changed the designation, by now. It's commonly referred to as a "Fiancé{e}" visa). I would argue that it should except I've seen lots of cases where citizens marry foreigners for money.

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In fact, years ago, there was a young lady on my delivery route. She was an Israeli citizen and here, on a student visa. Her visa was about to expire (she hadn't graduated). She knew how I felt about her and, one day, she flat-out asked me if I was "interested enough" to marry her.

We started talking about it and I realized that while she hadn't been dishonesty with me (exactly), she was looking to defraud the country. She said things like: "Oh! There'd be no 'honeymoon'!" and "I can't really marry you. You're not Jewish."

I didn't report her (and I probably should have). I blame it on nineteen-year-old hormones.

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Then, as I said: he's male. That's an uphill battle for an argument; not because there was divorce, necessarily, but because men, in general, aren't viewed as having the same parental instincts as women. Therefore, a male, wanting to stay for the sake of their children, doesn't present as sympathetic a character.

Then, there's that horrible term: "anchor baby". I think it's derogatory, but that's a fight for another day.

While the contention is that being the parent of a U.S.-born citizen is no guarantee to avoid deportation, is probably technically legally correct, in practice, no one wants to be the politician/policeman/ICE agent/whatever that tears apart a family. Add in this new idea of "sanctuary" cities and you have precious few actual deportations of parents of U.S.-born citizens.

It's an emotional argument that tugs at the heart-strings, but it's not the reality.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

Dude, Trump (who is now a politician, btw) & the govt & ICE doesnt give a shite if an immigrant is a woman, a child or a man.. if they stop you and you dont have "papers", they will drag you to jail and deport you.. its in Trump's EO.. and dont think ICE agents have a heart at all.. if they did, they wouldnt be doing that job in the first place..

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ORIGINAL: tj444
"As soon as he took office, Trump, whose anti-immigrant vitriol was a campaign trademark, signed two executive orders making nearly all undocumented immigrants target for arrest, detention, and deportation regardless of family ties, time they spent in this country, and criminal history. In September, Trump also rescinded stays on deportation granted through the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, putting 800,000 young people brought to the U.S. as children in limbo and at risk for deportation."
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/06/trump-immigration-deportation-dhs/

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ORIGINAL: tj444
According to this study, more illegal immigrants are male (58%) than female (42%), so if there are more men, then it just follows that more men will be deported (duh).. especially since they are probably more visible, travel farther for work, etc.. so easier for ICE to find..
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2006/07/05/gender-and-migration/