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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 4/28/2023 12:13:58 AM   
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I post a well thought out to plan to steer this country back to how its founders intended


You are a moron.

The founders were well aware of the dangers of a democracy, which is why they chose instead to give us a republic.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 4/28/2023 8:30:50 AM   
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The US of A is showing the merits of democracy but also the flaws, to an extent which can appear discouraging.
Primarily this appears rooted in your winner tales all voting systems which shows the rest of the world what damage can be done by it.
Your votes may give good tv shows but bad politics. There are alternative voting systems on a world-wide scale to select from, none perfect, but most better.

But a good recipe also needs proper chefs. Where would you think you could find those?

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 4/28/2023 9:02:32 AM   
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The US of A is showing the merits of democracy but also the flaws, to an extent which can appear discouraging.
Primarily this appears rooted in your winner tales all voting systems which shows the rest of the world what damage can be done by it.
Your votes may give good tv shows but bad politics. There are alternative voting systems on a world-wide scale to select from, none perfect, but most better.

But a good recipe also needs proper chefs. Where would you think you could find those?


Hilarious, considering the system leftists pursue always always always involves a despotic strongman

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 4/28/2023 10:59:23 PM   
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If we made these changes, we would take power away from political parties

The minority Jefferson and Madison fought to protect, became really dismayed to witness [it] become our American capitalist oligarchy. The two first US banks obviously and brazenly corrupt, were huge clues.

To enact what you suggest is not within the complete ignorance of 20-30 maybe 40 million dumbasses on the right that could still elect another pathological imbecile to the WH. DeSantis comes to mind.

With that kind of outright stupidity yet from a empowered minority, those changes will never be allowed.

Yes, in my mind, if anybody got close to say the Dem nomination, with those issues as they say, that corrupt, American, capitalist oligarchy, would not allow anyone to make it...just like Bernie...or worse.

Look at what happened to people who had position, talked, had success and either got lucky or...just didn't live.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 4/28/2023 11:00:24 PM   
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Mob rule GOOD, Master

YES Igor. YESSSSS!!!! (When WE do it)

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Montana trans lawmaker is silenced AGAIN as she tries to speak after telling Republican colleagues they will have 'blood on their hands' if they ban sex change surgery for kids: Seven supporters are arrested in the clash

Zooey Zephyr was forbidden to speak on a gender affirming care ban on Monday
The lawmaker defiantly allowed her supporters to riot inside the capital
About seven people were arrested and released after a half an hour protest


I smell a WHITE HOUSE INVITE around the corner!!!!


This post is irrelevant to this thread


Aren't they all ?

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/8/2023 7:23:04 PM   
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I post a well thought out to plan to steer this country back to how its founders intended


You are a moron.

The founders were well aware of the dangers of a democracy, which is why they chose instead to give us a republic.


One founder was concerned by majority rule, as he felt that a majority coukd potentially become so, sans critical thought, and adopt a "mob" mentality.
That would be James Madison.
By the way he NEVER said that a majority was automatically a mob, or that it would automatically become "MOB RULE"

Madison, however in his older years, already realized how corrupted the monster he helped create had become. In 834 he wrote a letter, which ne never sent.
James Madison in favor of majority rule

Here is alink to his ACTUAL letter
James Madison to Unknown, re majority governments

He basically says, yes majority rule is not perfect, but it is better than building in a system that dominates and silences the majority.

But here is the reality... Madisonian Federalism was mostly dead 100 years.

All of Madison's fears of "MOB RULE" of the majority were exercised in the corruption of the system creating a large right wing MOB Minority.

It had some semblance of life until Newt Gingrich, Roger Ailes, and Donald Trump came on the scene.

Let me explain:

Newt Gingrich normalized the US VS Them right wing mantra. Instead of saying "I disagree with my colleague on the other side of the aisle.", the tactic is to group ALL people who are not Republicans and cast them as evil and trying to destroy the country. This plays very well with the low information voter. It creates a "MOB" mentality, which no longer even applies critical thought to the issue at hand. Rather they just say "Not a Repbulican, therefore evil." My good friend BoscoX uses this tactic ALL the time, especially in the titles of his thread (look how many have the word "Democrats" in them. <SPIT>.

The other thing Newt did is set up the Republican pay to play system in the House. It's a way of keeping House members inline and funding the mothership's coffers.

It works like this:
To even BE a Republican member of the House, you have to raise x dollars to give to the RNC
To get on a committee, it is 2x dollars
To CHAIR a comittee 3x dollars
To chair a KEY committee 5x dollars
To be speaker, 10x dollars

The money is raised by the Republican House members from Lobbyists! Who they meet right across the street.

You can watch all of this as Matt Gaetz explains it very well on The Swamp

So, you can't run for the House in less you have $$$. As a Republican, you can't get $$$ unless you ask the RNC. If you get elected, the RNC now owns you. And who owns the RNC? The LOBBYISTS and Donald Trump (and therefore Putin and Xi), and to a large extent, Fox News.

Ahhhh but that is the Federal government. WHat about the state governments? RNC funds them too. It is a top down message from the Federal to the states and the state legislatures. All controlled by $$$. The RNC has $$$. If you want it, you play ball and parrot their message. It is truly a cult. True their are other sources of $$$ for state and local races. However, if you do not follow the RNC party line, the RNC will disown you, and you will be out of office.
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Madisonoan federalism smashed, by this money fueled corruption.

Enter Roger AIles. Roger Ailes destroyed the concept of journalism. He had no concern for the truth. He wanted to profit off the masses of low information voters. He took The Gingrich US VS THEM message and broadcast it 24/7 on a "news" channel. The grievance, victim, politics. "All non Republicans are evil, and they look down on you" - He further created the MOB.

Then of course Trump and Putin. Putin had his St. Petersburg troll farm create millions of fake accounts in social media and make up fake stories to stir up divison and hatred. (aka the MOB)
Trump did exactly the same thing, and made sure to discredit the media, and ANYONE critical of him. Putin's team worked hard to get Trump elected (as the Russians have already admitted). In return, Trump dropped the sanctions against Russia and told Putin, he can have Crimea.

Madison already saw his Fedralist system corrupted by 1834. He NEVER imagined the vast power of political parties in our age.

Look at our current system. It is called a "2-party system. Not because there is a legal limit of two parties. It is because:

1. The two parties siphon all the available cash and maintain their power
2. The Electoral College WInner-Take-All system doesn't allow for any success of a 3rd party

Look at the absolute crap for candidates this system produced in 2016!!!!!

Madison NEVR imagined the populations of states growing and taking on the demograhpics they have now. He never imagined the full impact of gerrymandering for House races and state legislatures. A state with a popularly elected Democratic Governor, with a gerrymandered, veto-proof Republican legislature, completely destroys the will of the people. And Republican legislature continuously gerrymander their own districts so they stay in power and continue to gerrymander the next census.


This is why... I say take $$$ away from politics, and the political parties are reduced to what they were in Madison's time. Get rid of the Electoral COllege, and you will see many parties and candidates popping up. You will actually see debates on REAL issues.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/10/2023 7:48:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I post a well thought out to plan to steer this country back to how its founders intended


You are a moron.

The founders were well aware of the dangers of a democracy, which is why they chose instead to give us a republic.


One founder was concerned by majority rule, as he felt that a majority coukd potentially become so, sans critical thought, and adopt a "mob" mentality.
That would be James Madison.
By the way he NEVER said that a majority was automatically a mob, or that it would automatically become "MOB RULE"

Madison, however in his older years, already realized how corrupted the monster he helped create had become. In 834 he wrote a letter, which ne never sent.
James Madison in favor of majority rule

Here is alink to his ACTUAL letter
James Madison to Unknown, re majority governments

He basically says, yes majority rule is not perfect, but it is better than building in a system that dominates and silences the majority.

But here is the reality... Madisonian Federalism was mostly dead 100 years.

All of Madison's fears of "MOB RULE" of the majority were exercised in the corruption of the system creating a large right wing MOB Minority.

It had some semblance of life until Newt Gingrich, Roger Ailes, and Donald Trump came on the scene.

Let me explain:

Newt Gingrich normalized the US VS Them right wing mantra. Instead of saying "I disagree with my colleague on the other side of the aisle.", the tactic is to group ALL people who are not Republicans and cast them as evil and trying to destroy the country. This plays very well with the low information voter. It creates a "MOB" mentality, which no longer even applies critical thought to the issue at hand. Rather they just say "Not a Repbulican, therefore evil." My good friend BoscoX uses this tactic ALL the time, especially in the titles of his thread (look how many have the word "Democrats" in them. <SPIT>.

The other thing Newt did is set up the Republican pay to play system in the House. It's a way of keeping House members inline and funding the mothership's coffers.

It works like this:
To even BE a Republican member of the House, you have to raise x dollars to give to the RNC
To get on a committee, it is 2x dollars
To CHAIR a comittee 3x dollars
To chair a KEY committee 5x dollars
To be speaker, 10x dollars

The money is raised by the Republican House members from Lobbyists! Who they meet right across the street.

You can watch all of this as Matt Gaetz explains it very well on The Swamp

So, you can't run for the House in less you have $$$. As a Republican, you can't get $$$ unless you ask the RNC. If you get elected, the RNC now owns you. And who owns the RNC? The LOBBYISTS and Donald Trump (and therefore Putin and Xi), and to a large extent, Fox News.

Ahhhh but that is the Federal government. WHat about the state governments? RNC funds them too. It is a top down message from the Federal to the states and the state legislatures. All controlled by $$$. The RNC has $$$. If you want it, you play ball and parrot their message. It is truly a cult. True their are other sources of $$$ for state and local races. However, if you do not follow the RNC party line, the RNC will disown you, and you will be out of office.
.
Madisonoan federalism smashed, by this money fueled corruption.

Enter Roger AIles. Roger Ailes destroyed the concept of journalism. He had no concern for the truth. He wanted to profit off the masses of low information voters. He took The Gingrich US VS THEM message and broadcast it 24/7 on a "news" channel. The grievance, victim, politics. "All non Republicans are evil, and they look down on you" - He further created the MOB.

Then of course Trump and Putin. Putin had his St. Petersburg troll farm create millions of fake accounts in social media and make up fake stories to stir up divison and hatred. (aka the MOB)
Trump did exactly the same thing, and made sure to discredit the media, and ANYONE critical of him. Putin's team worked hard to get Trump elected (as the Russians have already admitted). In return, Trump dropped the sanctions against Russia and told Putin, he can have Crimea.

Madison already saw his Fedralist system corrupted by 1834. He NEVER imagined the vast power of political parties in our age.

Look at our current system. It is called a "2-party system. Not because there is a legal limit of two parties. It is because:

1. The two parties siphon all the available cash and maintain their power
2. The Electoral College WInner-Take-All system doesn't allow for any success of a 3rd party

Look at the absolute crap for candidates this system produced in 2016!!!!!

Madison NEVR imagined the populations of states growing and taking on the demograhpics they have now. He never imagined the full impact of gerrymandering for House races and state legislatures. A state with a popularly elected Democratic Governor, with a gerrymandered, veto-proof Republican legislature, completely destroys the will of the people. And Republican legislature continuously gerrymander their own districts so they stay in power and continue to gerrymander the next census.


This is why... I say take $$$ away from politics, and the political parties are reduced to what they were in Madison's time. Get rid of the Electoral COllege, and you will see many parties and candidates popping up. You will actually see debates on REAL issues.


I think most thinking people know I am correct here

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/11/2023 7:04:55 AM   
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The #1 thing we need to do to save the republic from you communists, is figure out a way to keep you from miscounting ballots

Locked doors, shades drawn, no independent observers or media allowed etc.





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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/11/2023 8:00:09 PM   
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The #1 thing we need to do to save the republic from you communists, is figure out a way to keep you from miscounting ballots

Locked doors, shades drawn, no independent observers or media allowed etc.


Of course NONE of this happened in any Presidential election in my life time. I do recall this past one, where tons of selectively edited videos of poll workers and made up false narratives were created by Rudy Giuliani and his ilk.

My ex-wife was a poll worker in the last election, and I worried for her safety from MAGA mobs lapping up the latest propaganda from edited videos.

Every state election was checked and audited. All 62 legal challenges claining fraud were tossed out of court on their lack of merit.

So in the real world, ballots are counted in the light of day with observers, like there were in the last election (contrary to the endless lies and edited video on Fox News and other right wing outlets)

Let's not forget 2000 mules!!!! Tried to say cell phone tower data was proof of ballot harvesting. The MAGA lemmings ate that stuff up!!!!! A DInesh D'Souza special!!

There is no limit to how gullible these idiots are.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/11/2023 10:03:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph

The US of A is showing the merits of democracy but also the flaws, to an extent which can appear discouraging.
Primarily this appears rooted in your winner tales all voting systems which shows the rest of the world what damage can be done by it.
Your votes may give good tv shows but bad politics. There are alternative voting systems on a world-wide scale to select from, none perfect, but most better.

But a good recipe also needs proper chefs. Where would you think you could find those?


I don't see our government as "winner takes all" at all. I think our current political situation, with a Republican-controlled House of Representatives, and a Democratic Senate & White House is proof of that. Not to mention the whole 50 States thing, each having its own governor, legislature, and judicial branch.

Our 2 party system is not indicative of our government's founding flaws, but until other parties prove themselves capable, that's what we have. Do all Dems agree on every issue? Nope. Nor do all Republicans. This is why we have party primaries ahead of the elections, and why each party has a platform it decides to run on, sort of a promise of things to come, if they get elected. As opposed to forming a coalition after the voting happens.

There may be benefits to having coalition governments, but there are also flaws. We choose not to willingly accept those flaws here on a national level.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/12/2023 5:57:02 AM   
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Of course NONE of this happened


Blind ignorant "Democrat" cult members are trained to worship censorship for a reason

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/12/2023 3:41:15 PM   
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Of course NONE of this happened


Blind ignorant "Democrat" cult members are trained to worship censorship for a reason


Maybe they are, but I am trained to look at facts.

1. I saw the actual footage (pre-edit by Rudy G)
2. All 62 claims of fraud shot down on their lack of merit

You can talk about "Democrat" cult members all you want. I look at the facts.

The facts say that you are full of shit.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/13/2023 11:18:38 AM   
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Here is where the corruption of the Electoral College is going (even beyond where it already is!)

Independent State Legislature Theory

Trump tried to corrupt the system as far as it could go with this tactic.

Basically, the idea is that state legislatures can do whatever they want, and are not even subject to their own state's constitutions and their own Supreme Court. They can gerrymander and keep their own seats in perpetuity. They can pick the candidate to whom their state's Electoral Votes go to, REGARDLESS of the will of the people.

They are severely gerrymandered, so they are not even close to being democratically elected and they like it that way. They never could win statewide elections.

Trump knew this and wanted to throw the key states that would ensure his victory to the state legislatures. He has said it many times and JUST said it again in recent Town Hall.

Madison NEVER imagined this.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/14/2023 7:25:38 AM   
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Well, I'm legally blind, temporarily. But not usually ignorant, if I can help it. Although, there is a lot to know in this world, and I don't have unlimited amounts of time. I'm registered to vote as a Democrat, but there isn't a "these people suck" party yet. I'm not much of a joiner, but I could see me as a cult leader, if I chose that path. I'd probably have a fun cult, totally kool-aid free.

Censorship can be done by any government. It's only the citizens that can put a stop to it.

I still don't see how our elections are "winner takes all" though. I also don't think removing the Electoral College would fix democracy. The GOP just has the EC math down, while the Dems seem to be struggling with it. Nah, really, Hillary just sucked as a candidate. I wasn't excited about Gore or Kerry either. Hopefully there will be a more exciting candidate in 2028.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/14/2023 10:04:17 AM   
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I still don't see how our elections are "winner takes all" though. I also don't think removing the Electoral College would fix democracy. The GOP just has the EC math down, while the Dems seem to be struggling with it. Nah, really, Hillary just sucked as a candidate. I wasn't excited about Gore or Kerry either. Hopefully there will be a more exciting candidate in 2028.


I do not mean this in any derogatory way. But do you understand how the Electoral College works?
Most people don't. I only ask, because you say you don't see how our elections are "winner takes all"

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/14/2023 11:42:40 PM   
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I understand the Electoral College just fine, but thanks for your concern, or is it condescension? Again. I don't see how the intentional design of the EC matters. Look at our government now: Dems in charge of the White House and Senate, GOP in charge of the House, and a conservative majority at SCOTUS.

Doesn't seem like "winner takes all" to me, by any stretch of the imagination. And that's the way our government has been designed. Not for good TV. Oprah didn't write it in. Diane Sawyer wasn't at the Constitutional Convention.

This system prevents extreme changes when any party takes control.

Compared to the British Parliament, or other governments more similar to that, I think it works much better. Nah, it's not perfect, but it's still pretty damn good.

Your issues with the EC stem from the GOP being so dominant in particular states, because they've done a better job doing the basic math. I do see problems arising in red states due to gerrymandering, but I'm not sure that's a problem with the EC as it was written in the Constitution. The country is pretty much split down the middle now. If the GOP has done a better job at messaging, then the Dems need to step it up. If a 3rd party wants to move in, they need to have a platform people respond to and believe in. A 3rd party can only be a spoiler by having the same basic platform as one of the bigs, but with a few tweaks.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/15/2023 6:34:49 AM   
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Of course NONE of this happened in any Presidential election in my life time.



You have vision, but you don't allow yourself to see

EXAMPLE -

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Pennsylvania Settles Voter Roll Lawsuit with Judicial Watch

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today it settled its federal election integrity lawsuit against Pennsylvania and five of its counties. Pennsylvania admitted in court filings that it removed 178,258 ineligible registrations in response to communications from Judicial Watch. The settlement commits Pennsylvania and five of its counties to extensive public reporting of statistics regarding their ongoing voter roll clean-up efforts for the next five years, along with a payment to Judicial Watch of $15,000 for legal costs and fees.

In November 2021, Judicial Watch filed an amended complaint in an ongoing National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) lawsuit. The amended complaint sought to compel Pennsylvania and five of its counties (Luzerne County, Cumberland County, Washington County, Indiana County and Carbon County) to comply with their voter list-maintenance obligations under Section 8 of the NVRA (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, et al.(No. 1:20-cv-00708)).

In the settlement agreement, Pennsylvania agreed to publish the total number of registered and eligible voters (active and inactive) in the five counties by June 30 of each year on the Department of State’s website, for the next five years. It also agreed to publish the total number of address confirmation notices sent to registered voters and the number returned as undeliverable or not responded to. It also will publish the total number of voters removed from the registration rolls on account of death, or for failing to respond to an address confirmation notice and failing to vote in the two most recent federal general elections.

Judicial Watch alleged a “multi-year failure” to take reasonable steps to maintain accurate voter registration lists as required by federal law. On April 22, 2021, Judicial Watch sent a notice-of-violation letter to the Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth setting forth a range of violations by the Commonwealth and 27 identified counties.

In September 2021, Pennsylvania informed the court:

Upon receiving the [April 22, 2021] letter, the Secretary [of the Commonwealth] immediately took action by investigating the issues raised and working with the identified 27 counties to remove outstanding inactive voters who had failed to return a confirmation notice and did not participate in the subsequent two consecutive federal elections. With the Secretary’s assistance, the counties removed every single inactive voter eligible for removal from the rolls. The total inactive voters removed was 178,258.

Separately, a 2020 letter from Judicial Watch to Allegheny County, Pennsylvania led to the removal of 69,000 outdated registrations. According to a January 14, 2020, CBS news report, “This mountain of faulty registrations has now courted the attention of the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch.” David Voye, Elections Manager for the county told CBS, “I would concede that we are behind on culling our rolls,” and that this had “been put on the backburner.” Allegheny County later confirmedto Judicial Watch on January 31, 2020 that the removals had occurred.

“Pennsylvania’s election rolls are cleaner – and will remail cleaner – thanks to Judicial Watch. This federal lawsuit settlement is good news for voters in Pennsylvania who want to ensure that only eligible voters are on voter rolls,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Judicial Watch’s remarkable run of litigation successes resulted in well over 2 million ineligible registrations being removed from voter rolls across the nation in the last two years!”

Judicial Watch is a national leader in voting integrity and voting rights. As part of its work, Judicial Watch assembled a team of highly experienced voting rights attorneys who stopped discriminatory elections in Hawaii, and cleaned up voter rolls in California, Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky, among other achievements.

In March 2023, Colorado agreed to settle a Judicial Watch NVRA lawsuit alleging that Colorado failed to remove ineligible voters from its rolls. The settlement agreement requires Colorado to provide Judicial Watch with the most recent voter roll data for each Colorado county each year for six years.

In February 2023, Los Angeles County confirmed removal of 1,207,613 ineligible voters from its rolls since last year, under the terms of a settlement agreement in a federal lawsuit that Judicial Watch filed in 2017.

Judicial Watch settled a federal election integrity lawsuit against New York City after the city removed 441,083 ineligible names from the voter rolls and promised to take reasonable steps going forward to clean its voter registration lists.

Kentucky also removed hundreds of thousands of old registrations after it entered into a consent decree to end another Judicial Watch lawsuit.

In February 2022, Judicial Watch settled a voter roll clean-up lawsuit against North Carolina and two of its counties after North Carolina removed over 430,000 inactive registrations from its voter rolls.

In March 2022, a Maryland court ruled in favor of Judicial Watch’s challenge to the Democratic state legislature’s “extreme” congressional gerrymander.

In May 2022, Judicial Watch sued Illinois on behalf of Congressman Mike Bost and two other registered Illinois voters to stop state election officials from extending Election Day for 14 days beyond the date established by federal law.

Robert Popper, a Judicial Watch senior attorney, leads its election law program. Popper was previously in the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department, where he managed voting rights investigations, litigations, consent decrees, and settlements in dozens of states.



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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/15/2023 6:56:38 AM   
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So some people didn't vote in 2020? And that's your proof of some kind of election stealing scheme by Dems? 😂😂😂

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/15/2023 7:20:26 AM   
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So some people didn't vote in 2020? And that's your proof of some kind of election stealing scheme by Dems? 😂😂😂


People with intelligence reading that ask themselves, why do blue areas stubbornly resist removing the dead from voter rolls

Which is a rhetorical question because people with intelligence know the answer

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/15/2023 7:22:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Of course NONE of this happened in any Presidential election in my life time.



You have vision, but you don't allow yourself to see

EXAMPLE -

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Pennsylvania Settles Voter Roll Lawsuit with Judicial Watch

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today it settled its federal election integrity lawsuit against Pennsylvania and five of its counties. Pennsylvania admitted in court filings that it removed 178,258 ineligible registrations in response to communications from Judicial Watch. The settlement commits Pennsylvania and five of its counties to extensive public reporting of statistics regarding their ongoing voter roll clean-up efforts for the next five years, along with a payment to Judicial Watch of $15,000 for legal costs and fees.

In November 2021, Judicial Watch filed an amended complaint in an ongoing National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) lawsuit. The amended complaint sought to compel Pennsylvania and five of its counties (Luzerne County, Cumberland County, Washington County, Indiana County and Carbon County) to comply with their voter list-maintenance obligations under Section 8 of the NVRA (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, et al.(No. 1:20-cv-00708)).

In the settlement agreement, Pennsylvania agreed to publish the total number of registered and eligible voters (active and inactive) in the five counties by June 30 of each year on the Department of State’s website, for the next five years. It also agreed to publish the total number of address confirmation notices sent to registered voters and the number returned as undeliverable or not responded to. It also will publish the total number of voters removed from the registration rolls on account of death, or for failing to respond to an address confirmation notice and failing to vote in the two most recent federal general elections.

Judicial Watch alleged a “multi-year failure” to take reasonable steps to maintain accurate voter registration lists as required by federal law. On April 22, 2021, Judicial Watch sent a notice-of-violation letter to the Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth setting forth a range of violations by the Commonwealth and 27 identified counties.

In September 2021, Pennsylvania informed the court:

Upon receiving the [April 22, 2021] letter, the Secretary [of the Commonwealth] immediately took action by investigating the issues raised and working with the identified 27 counties to remove outstanding inactive voters who had failed to return a confirmation notice and did not participate in the subsequent two consecutive federal elections. With the Secretary’s assistance, the counties removed every single inactive voter eligible for removal from the rolls. The total inactive voters removed was 178,258.

Separately, a 2020 letter from Judicial Watch to Allegheny County, Pennsylvania led to the removal of 69,000 outdated registrations. According to a January 14, 2020, CBS news report, “This mountain of faulty registrations has now courted the attention of the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch.” David Voye, Elections Manager for the county told CBS, “I would concede that we are behind on culling our rolls,” and that this had “been put on the backburner.” Allegheny County later confirmedto Judicial Watch on January 31, 2020 that the removals had occurred.

“Pennsylvania’s election rolls are cleaner – and will remail cleaner – thanks to Judicial Watch. This federal lawsuit settlement is good news for voters in Pennsylvania who want to ensure that only eligible voters are on voter rolls,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Judicial Watch’s remarkable run of litigation successes resulted in well over 2 million ineligible registrations being removed from voter rolls across the nation in the last two years!”

Judicial Watch is a national leader in voting integrity and voting rights. As part of its work, Judicial Watch assembled a team of highly experienced voting rights attorneys who stopped discriminatory elections in Hawaii, and cleaned up voter rolls in California, Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky, among other achievements.

In March 2023, Colorado agreed to settle a Judicial Watch NVRA lawsuit alleging that Colorado failed to remove ineligible voters from its rolls. The settlement agreement requires Colorado to provide Judicial Watch with the most recent voter roll data for each Colorado county each year for six years.

In February 2023, Los Angeles County confirmed removal of 1,207,613 ineligible voters from its rolls since last year, under the terms of a settlement agreement in a federal lawsuit that Judicial Watch filed in 2017.

Judicial Watch settled a federal election integrity lawsuit against New York City after the city removed 441,083 ineligible names from the voter rolls and promised to take reasonable steps going forward to clean its voter registration lists.

Kentucky also removed hundreds of thousands of old registrations after it entered into a consent decree to end another Judicial Watch lawsuit.

In February 2022, Judicial Watch settled a voter roll clean-up lawsuit against North Carolina and two of its counties after North Carolina removed over 430,000 inactive registrations from its voter rolls.

In March 2022, a Maryland court ruled in favor of Judicial Watch’s challenge to the Democratic state legislature’s “extreme” congressional gerrymander.

In May 2022, Judicial Watch sued Illinois on behalf of Congressman Mike Bost and two other registered Illinois voters to stop state election officials from extending Election Day for 14 days beyond the date established by federal law.

Robert Popper, a Judicial Watch senior attorney, leads its election law program. Popper was previously in the Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department, where he managed voting rights investigations, litigations, consent decrees, and settlements in dozens of states.




I have to think you are just intellectually lazy.

Once again this article does nothing to support your claim that ballots were miscounted. This "Judicial Watch" fraudsters have opened dozens of lawsuits.

They won one against a few Pennsylvania counties, and got some people removed from the registry. We have no idea how these people voted or if they voted at all. This has nothing to do with ballots, or counting them.

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