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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/15/2023 10:03:22 PM   
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So some people didn't vote in 2020? And that's your proof of some kind of election stealing scheme by Dems? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


People with intelligence reading that ask themselves, why do blue areas stubbornly resist removing the dead from voter rolls

Which is a rhetorical question because people with intelligence know the answer


First of all, FUCK YOU. You, who has completely turned his brain off in order to regurgitate lies from TV or the internet, have no room to talk about anyone's intelligence level.

A person's political alignment should be made with giving thought to government as it is now, and how we want it to be. It isn't this denial of simple truths we see from today's GOP. Truth is truth, there is proof and evidence of it.

I wasn't indoctrinated with anything but knowledge in school. 19 years of school from eating paste in kindergarten to getting my Master's. But I don't think education = intelligence either, as I was the first in my family to get a degree of any kind, and I think my parents & grandparents were fucking brilliant.

I only remember one instance of voter fraud proven in the 2000 election regarding the dead: a woman's son used her mail-in ballot to vote for Trump. So I guess blue areas don't worry so much about removing the dead from their list because THEY'RE FUCKING DEAD. Dead people don't vote. But yeah, it's Democrats faults that Republicans commit voter fraud. Culling the dead would prevent some of that, probably.

Identity theft is something both sides needs to consider, and safeguard our voting system against that somehow.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/16/2023 12:43:36 AM   
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Oh, MJ, I think the EC is gonna be around a while whatever we think of it. If you think it could just go away, then you are as delusional as anyone that says Americans shouldn't have guns.

It's that whole Constitution thing. Article 2, Section 1 establishes the EC, just as the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms. I doubt that either will change in this country while either of us are breathing. But if you wanna start on getting the consensus necessary to add a new Constitutional Amendment, have at it.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/16/2023 7:59:34 PM   
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Oh, MJ, I think the EC is gonna be around a while whatever we think of it. If you think it could just go away, then you are as delusional as anyone that says Americans shouldn't have guns.

It's that whole Constitution thing. Article 2, Section 1 establishes the EC, just as the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms. I doubt that either will change in this country while either of us are breathing. But if you wanna start on getting the consensus necessary to add a new Constitutional Amendment, have at it.


Yes you are right about the EC being around. I hope the NPV movement forces the issue to abolish it.

Regarding the 2nd amendment, it is not simply the right to keep and bear arms. It is the right to keep and bear arms as part of a WELL REGULATED MILITIA. The right wing echosphere always leaves that part out.

It reads:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Of course, the right wing political activist masquerading as a legal expert, Antonin Scalia, just dismissed the first part as irrelevant.
But if you read Madison's first draft, you can see that Madson CLEARLY meant it SOLELY in the context of a well regulated militia.

Here is the first draft:
β€œThe right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, a well-armed and well-regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

Madison NEVER meant it to be an unrestricted INDIVIDUAL right to bear arms. How do we know?

Here is the statement from the board of the University of Virginia on which he served
β€œNo student shall, within the precincts of the University, introduce, keep or use any spirituous or vinous liquors, keep or use weapons or arms of any kind …”

Sorry for the detour on the 2nd amendment.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/17/2023 12:34:04 AM   
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"And if you complain once more, you'll meet an Army of Me" - Bjork's Army of Me, you can find it where ever, if you care enough.

This isn't a conversation about guns, or the 2nd. It exists, and regardless of what anyone thinks the words mean or how to emphasize it, the words are very much there, and a roadblock to any attempt for government action in violation of it. It says what it says.

If your plan to save democracy includes changing something in the very fabric of this Union, then you have no plan. And we're absolutely FUCKED if the absolute impossible is the way presented. There are reasons the EC has lasted this long. The Republicans are doing a much better job at messaging than the Democrats, and have a plan on how to control government. The Democrats don't. GOP had Gingrich, Paul Ryan, Trump. Dems haven't had anyone that has brought that much energy out of the base, other than Obama & Bernie. And I think most of our energy was spent on countering attacks on them, either personal or policy. Dems haven't had a leader that genuinely unites us though. Maybe it's easier to bring out rage than it is to inspire hope.

I actually like Biden more for the next election. I think in '20, I was voting AGAINST Trump. I hope there will be enough votes for Biden to beat him again. Or beat DeSantis. Whichever.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/18/2023 6:04:41 PM   
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Main recipe ingredient for establishing mob rule - the sick, racist, and demeaning pandering to blacks by attempting to bribe them for their votes with my tax dollars

House Dems introduce $14 trillion reparations proposal for descendants of slaves

https://www.theblaze.com/news/radical-us-rep-cori-bush-proposes-14-trillion-in-federal-reparations

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/18/2023 7:20:55 PM   
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Main recipe ingredient for establishing mob rule - the sick, racist, and demeaning pandering to blacks by attempting to bribe them for their votes with my tax dollars

House Dems introduce $14 trillion reparations proposal for descendants of slaves

https://www.theblaze.com/news/radical-us-rep-cori-bush-proposes-14-trillion-in-federal-reparations


A stupid bill that has nothing to do with mob rule

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/18/2023 7:24:08 PM   
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"And if you complain once more, you'll meet an Army of Me" - Bjork's Army of Me, you can find it where ever, if you care enough.

This isn't a conversation about guns, or the 2nd. It exists, and regardless of what anyone thinks the words mean or how to emphasize it, the words are very much there, and a roadblock to any attempt for government action in violation of it. It says what it says.

If your plan to save democracy includes changing something in the very fabric of this Union, then you have no plan. And we're absolutely FUCKED if the absolute impossible is the way presented. There are reasons the EC has lasted this long. The Republicans are doing a much better job at messaging than the Democrats, and have a plan on how to control government. The Democrats don't. GOP had Gingrich, Paul Ryan, Trump. Dems haven't had anyone that has brought that much energy out of the base, other than Obama & Bernie. And I think most of our energy was spent on countering attacks on them, either personal or policy. Dems haven't had a leader that genuinely unites us though. Maybe it's easier to bring out rage than it is to inspire hope.

I actually like Biden more for the next election. I think in '20, I was voting AGAINST Trump. I hope there will be enough votes for Biden to beat him again. Or beat DeSantis. Whichever.


I think you are missing the point here about the EC. You keep looking at it through the lens of one party VS another.

The problem is, the EC, as part of the whole money machine produces bad candidates, and stifles the free exchange of ideas.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/18/2023 9:49:48 PM   
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A stupid bill that has nothing to do with mob rule

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In the REAL world? Purchasing votes with treasury dollars has everything to do with mob rule / "Democracy"

They wouldn't stop at $14 trillion btw. There's no limit to the extremes to which "Democrats" <spit> want to push us into debt in order to a. Enrich themselves and b. Purchase votes so they can further enrich themselves





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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/18/2023 11:47:44 PM   
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"And if you complain once more, you'll meet an Army of Me" - Bjork's Army of Me, you can find it where ever, if you care enough.

This isn't a conversation about guns, or the 2nd. It exists, and regardless of what anyone thinks the words mean or how to emphasize it, the words are very much there, and a roadblock to any attempt for government action in violation of it. It says what it says.

If your plan to save democracy includes changing something in the very fabric of this Union, then you have no plan. And we're absolutely FUCKED if the absolute impossible is the way presented. There are reasons the EC has lasted this long. The Republicans are doing a much better job at messaging than the Democrats, and have a plan on how to control government. The Democrats don't. GOP had Gingrich, Paul Ryan, Trump. Dems haven't had anyone that has brought that much energy out of the base, other than Obama & Bernie. And I think most of our energy was spent on countering attacks on them, either personal or policy. Dems haven't had a leader that genuinely unites us though. Maybe it's easier to bring out rage than it is to inspire hope.

I actually like Biden more for the next election. I think in '20, I was voting AGAINST Trump. I hope there will be enough votes for Biden to beat him again. Or beat DeSantis. Whichever.


I think you are missing the point here about the EC. You keep looking at it through the lens of one party VS another.

The problem is, the EC, as part of the whole money machine produces bad candidates, and stifles the free exchange of ideas.


You can whine about the EC all you want. It exists, and will continue to exist until a Constitutional Amendment says otherwise. So deal with it.

I often miss completely fucking stupid points. Google doesn't have a Stupid to English translator yet.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/18/2023 11:52:54 PM   
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A stupid bill that has nothing to do with mob rule

Next



In the REAL world? Purchasing votes with treasury dollars has everything to do with mob rule / "Democracy"

They wouldn't stop at $14 trillion btw. There's no limit to the extremes to which "Democrats" <spit> want to push us into debt in order to a. Enrich themselves and b. Purchase votes so they can further enrich themselves


Oh, speaking of bribe money... Mean ole Joe hasn't sent me a stimmy check yet. See, at least when Republicans are trying to bribe us, it's more obvious. Dubbya gave us a stimmy, OompaLoompa gave us 3. Obama and Biden never gave us stim money. Fuckers just save the economy and shit.

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RE: Recipe for restoring Democracy in the US - Sans the... - 5/19/2023 3:20:04 PM   
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A stupid bill that has nothing to do with mob rule

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In the REAL world? Purchasing votes with treasury dollars has everything to do with mob rule / "Democracy"

They wouldn't stop at $14 trillion btw. There's no limit to the extremes to which "Democrats" <spit> want to push us into debt in order to a. Enrich themselves and b. Purchase votes so they can further enrich themselves



I would have to disagree with that assertion. If you read the Federalist papers, Madison had a completely different meaning for "mob rule"

It is an issue of corruption. Both parties try to legislate to buy votes. Republicans do it all the time for their wealthy donors and lobbyists. For instance every Republican t6ax bill was buying votes with public money.

When DeSantis used Florida public money to lure migrants from Texas (who had NO nexus to Florida) into Florida JUST so he could fly them to Martha's Vineyard as a political stunt, he was buying votes.

Nothing to do with mob rule. Everything to do with corruption.

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