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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 7:01:10 PM

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i don't get you. are you denying that the category i describe exists ? because then you go right on and affirm it does, after all, exist

or are you just trying to convince everyone a) you're not it and b) i'm swimming in it ? in which case, why should i be bothered to read your post ?

I do not get you, insulting people on the way they look, what they weigh, how they choose to live their lives, and then not being able to handle someone else pointing out your shortcomings.. which we all possess zeno.. you can think whatever you like about me, Im sure you think I am a whore and not deserving of respect, like you do most women (or is that all women?). Most women I know do not do what you think they do, most are not whores. Most work at jobs or raise kids. I do not know that category, they do not exist in my circles. I do not say they do not exist, Im saying I do not know them.

In my reality we get what we give in this world, give people no respect, we usually do not get it back.. that is my experience anyways.. For example I do not respect those who do not respect others because of their weight, sexuality, or their gender.. just me could be wrong.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 8:06:04 PM

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Where do you suppose we get such a double standard of women using sex as a commodity,when men aren't veiwed as using it that way?

Could there actually be some validity behind it?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 8:13:10 PM

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Old Joke:

A little boy tells a little girl he has something special.. She asks what? He pulls out his penis and proudly says "MY Mommy said little girls don't have one! HA!"

The little girl runs to her mommy and tells her what happeend.

The next day the little boy taunts the little girl again.. "Yooou can't haaaaave oneeeee"

The little girl says, "I told my Mommy what you said.." With that she lifts up her skirt and says:

"With what I have.. Mommy says I can have as many of THOSE as I want!"

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 8:14:00 PM

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Where do you suppose we get such a double standard of women using sex as a commodity,when men aren't veiwed as using it that way?

Could there actually be some validity behind it?

I do not understand the question.. perhaps I am dense tonight.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 8:22:48 PM

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I do not get you, insulting people on the way they look, what they weigh, how they choose to live their lives, and then not being able to handle someone else pointing out your shortcomings..

my shortcomings ? what, being rich ? what shortcoming is that ?

and not being able to handle, where did you get that from ? read your post again, you start by saying you are insulted. then you proceed to say that whatever i;m talking about doesn't exist. then you say that i probably spend my whole life immersed in that, which now seems to suddenly exist.

and i can't handle something ? what, women flying off the handle, in the face of reason ?

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which we all possess zeno..

no argument

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you can think whatever you like about me

no. that's what you do. i don't come up with arbitrary judgements of other people. i always point out what they said, and how it can be interpreted towards a judgement. that i ultimately don't make, not personally. it gets people furious, but it's really at theirselves. which is fine with me. because that, they can change.

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Im sure you think I am a whore and not deserving of respect

actually, i don't. you're not physically attractive enough, if that avatar is anything to judge by. however, you do have an exposed nerve on this entire women whoring it out conversation. why is that ?

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like you do most women (or is that all women?). Most women I know do not do what you think they do, most are not whores. Most work at jobs or raise kids. I do not know that category, they do not exist in my circles. I do not say they do not exist, Im saying I do not know them.

fine. so what's the problem then ? and for the record, i certainly like women more than i like men.

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In my reality we get what we give in this world, give people no respect, we usually do not get it back.. that is my experience anyways.. For example I do not respect those who do not respect others because of their weight, sexuality, or their gender.. just me could be wrong.

i don't respect people automatically just because they breathe. they have to do something respect worthy first. in general, i have observed those people who know or think they can't do much more than breathe in this world are the ones most offended. which plays much to my advantage, because those are exactly the sort of people i don't really want to see, and they, being offended, tend to avoid me, or at the very least only approach me all frothy, which makes them easy to spot.

but anyway, you have yet to answer the original question. why do you answer a thread about general stuff with a story about me and you ? are you in love or something ?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 8:43:07 PM

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Im taken zeno... and that wouldn't be a possibility even if I wasn't. You insult women wherever you go though.. THAT is a shortcoming... Good luck with that

On edit: I shouldn't have brought up your wealth, it is just I have had many a wealthy suitor in my time, and I have rejected them all, because people with money tend to think they are buying those of us without it, and I am not for sale. It also offended me to see you insult someone on this very thread for her weight because you did not like what she said... that is insulting to thin as well as heavy women because it is devaluing an opinion based on whether you find someone sexually appealing, reducing women to sex objects.. which is fine as long as they consented, but I do not think this domme did. It is a sister thing I guess, you got personal with Pandora, I got personal with you.. it isn't pleasant is it?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 8:57:18 PM

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Where do you suppose we get such a double standard of women using sex as a commodity,when men aren't veiwed as using it that way?

Could there actually be some validity behind it?

I do not understand the question.. perhaps I am dense tonight.

Most stereotypes arise from a factual base.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:07:00 PM

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Im taken zeno...

are you under the impression anyone was actually asking ?!

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It is a sister thing I guess, you got personal with Pandora, I got personal with you.. it isn't pleasant is it?

i wouldn't know, i resolve my affection with members of the opposite sex. if you don't think the sister thing is pleasant why are you still doing it ? or is it a matter of nobody asking again ?

cause, you know... what's her name didn't ask either.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:11:42 PM

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Where do you suppose we get such a double standard of women using sex as a commodity,when men aren't veiwed as using it that way?

Could there actually be some validity behind it?

I do not understand the question.. perhaps I am dense tonight.

Most stereotypes arise from a factual base.

I think that women have traditionally held less power than men in most societies and that whether a woman is 1) judged for being a prostitute or 2) needs to be a prostitute is a direct result of the socierty that she lives in, how equal is it in its treatment of women?

Most street walkers were the victims of child abuse, usually the sexual kind and become prostitutes before they are even old enough to consent to sex.

Women make 30 cents on the dollar on average less than men do, even when working the same jobs, and in addition we must take more time off to rear and care for children then men do. "Women's work" is still usually the lowest paid skillset out there, whether it be maid, seamstress, or nanny. We are just not valued the same as men.. and yet when we feel forced to capitalize on our sexuality we are derided for it. Most of the time we are not even the ones that capitalize on our "wares", pimps are. Women are often the ones left with less resources after a divorce also, it is a myth that women take a man to the cleaners every time, many women do not know how to protect themselves in a divorce because they have not been socialized to know.. and these are based on economic stats and indicators.

I have no problem with Dommes selling their wares even if you called it prostitution (which I am undecided because I am ignorant to it and think it varies from domme to domme). Even if it is prostitution, it is an example of a woman that is in control over her own body and calls the shots, which makes it far better than the traditional sort, where a women doesn't keep the money she earned and must pay it to another for "protection". It would be an empowered sort of prostitution.

I find the assertion that most women settle for financial security with a man they have no love for ludicrous, most of us don't, and we must work hard to raise the standard of living along with our husbands, even if they "make it" while we are married to them, they usually didn't do it alone... most people I know were not born into money.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:13:37 PM

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Peace Zeno.. live long and prosper.. I have no interest in sparring with you

Good luck with that!

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:14:20 PM

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I think that women have traditionally held less power than men in most societies and that whether a woman is 1) judged for being a prostitute or 2) needs to be a prostitute is a direct result of the socierty that she lives in, how equal is it in its treatment of women?

see, the problem is you are still arguing both ends.

argument 1, women are unfairly judged as prostitutes, without them factually being so, as a manifestation of bias.
argument 2, women are forced to factually be prostitutes by some sort of bias.

argument 2 inadvertently breaks the premise for argument 1. you will have to argue either one or the other, but not both at the same time.

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RE: Dom's and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:16:07 PM

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no. that's what you do. i don't come up with arbitrary judgments of other people.
i'm sorry, is it me or are You smoking crack again?? Are You not the same person who insults anyone who's not a buck o' five at any given opportunity??
i always point out what they said, and how it can be interpreted toward a judgment. that i ultimately don't make, not personally. it gets people furious, but it's really at their selves.
it's funny...but for the life of me i can not see how this particular "truth" You speak of relates to all the bullshit You are spreading on the overweight women in bdsm thread...hmmm

which is fine with me. because that, they can change.
i don't respect people automatically just because they breathe. they have to do something respect worthy first. in general, i have observed those people who know or think they can't do much more than breathe in this world are the ones most offended.
OK, i've got a few thoughts on this one...first of all i know i can do lots of things in this life, as evidenced by all the shit i do on a daily basis..Not to mention all of the obstacles i've overcome which would no doubt leave You crying and whimpering in a corner...But, none the less i continue to be insulted and offended a the crap You try to push onto others as the truth..... hmmm....which plays much to my advantage, because those are exactly the sort of people i don't really want to see, and they, being offended, tend to avoid me, or at the very least only approach me all frothy, which makes them easy to spot.

Am thinking this is yet another case where the view from Your perspective is probably really dark, smelly, and brown...*thinking about taking up a collection so You can have that surgery You need*...You know the one...the one to have Your head surgically removed from Your ass...

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:22:32 PM

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Scott ..have you ever entertained the possibility when looking at the animal kingdom ...the point to having an alpha male as opposed to a beta male attached to a pack, is the protection he affords the herd/the pairing, the young? And yes, you are correct ...it comes down to the ability to fend off the male ... please entertain the idea that many female animals do, and will ... and she'll clamp up tigther than a fishes bum and he'll beg off until she is more accomodating. Don't make the assumption it is physical strength that is the winner on the day...as it's often not the case.

Take the stallion, romanticised as the virile strong stallion protecting his herd ... and yes, indeed he does ... but are you also aware ...that it is the older mares in the pack that have control ...if they do not want him to mate with mares in the herd, at that time, or ever ... they will attack him till he backs off, or round up the herd and move them away from him, chasing him away until he gets the big picture.

Which makes me think the animal kingdom is probably more respectful of the feminine in their species than humans.

Ps: just for some funky info.. male penguins denied of female companionship will turn gay and form pairings and bonds with another male penguin and 'mate'.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:28:15 PM

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Which makes me think the animal kingdom is probably more respectful of the feminine in their species than humans.

The human species is the only one that socializes its females not to be protective of their young, but instead to rely on men to do it for them.. although our instinct will usually win out when push comes to shove and we have to protect our kids....

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:35:35 PM

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Julia I believe it...but not doubt Zeno will be along shortly to dribble some more ramblings on the subject ... probably prove the rule in doing so no doubt ... go figure

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:41:11 PM

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WHAT'S the Difference daddy ?
What's the difference daddy, between theoretically and realistically ?
Well little girl go ask sis if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000, Ok...she said she said she would daddy. Now go ask bettie if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000...she said yes daddy. Well then darl'n, theoretically, we're sitting on million dollars, realistically, we're living with a couple a whores.

Daddy(?) told them to do it they are obeying orders so
obvisously daddy likes whores.

Thank you indeed, and so glad you truely understand! (although I'm quite possessive and don't share or pimp for $$$)

... as far as the joke goes, the Daddy was only telling the third inquisitive daughter to ask her other two sisters... In the joke Daddy wasn't pimping yet. I first heard the same joke where a son asks Daddy what is the difference between virtual and real... thus he was sent to ask the Mother, then ask the sister the money biased hypothetical in order to structure the response.
Daddy does like whores though, either way you tell it... very true, very true...

Well I am glad to see someone is happy and can admit they like their whores...lmfao...I like My 'worms' worm...they are lots of fun to play
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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:42:23 PM

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I think that women have traditionally held less power than men in most societies and that whether a woman is 1) judged for being a prostitute or 2) needs to be a prostitute is a direct result of the socierty that she lives in, how equal is it in its treatment of women?

see, the problem is you are still arguing both ends.

argument 1, women are unfairly judged as prostitutes, without them factually being so, as a manifestation of bias.
argument 2, women are forced to factually be prostitutes by some sort of bias.

argument 2 inadvertently breaks the premise for argument 1. you will have to argue either one or the other, but not both at the same time.

Some women are prostitutes, the ones that are usually came from bad circumstances and never had much of a choice

Most women aren't prostitutes

If you consider pro femdoms prostitutes I am thinking this may irk you seeing that they do not need a man to control them or collect their money perhaps? It comes off that way to me. If it is a form of prostitution perhaps it is an evolution that women can be strong even when being whores and this would mean maybe, just maybe women are taking control over their destinies.. like women of certain ancient cultures that considered whoring a sacred activity.

Where is the contradiction here?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:51:44 PM

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The human species is the only one that socializes its females not to be protective of their young, but instead to rely on men to do it for them.. although our instinct will usually win out when push comes to shove and we have to protect our kids....

if by protection you mean resorting to violence, the human species tries to socialize all individuals, irrespective of gender, to avoid it, and instead use "violence substitutes" like the police and courts.

as to the rest, i am sorry to see you have to push things into this feminist siege mentality atmosphere. the original post discussed something entirely different, it never was a question of "women are so and so". read it again.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:55:20 PM

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as for your kerouac interest, i lived 5 months in lowell, mass. hows that ?

One time, I drove down Hwy. 49 to Macon, Georgia, the home of Flannery O'Connor. I'm not sure if it means anything, but I was there once.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/10/2006 9:57:38 PM

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hang on, i went on the road from boston all through the east coast, mexico, guatemala and ended up airlifted to costa rica. took me like 4 months. how's that ? :D

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